Natalee Case Discussion #681 9/16 - 9/24/2007

[wreck]

wreck ... I have no idea of the legality in regards to stopping a release of a book or ... recalling after the release. I am just very aprehensive when it is considered that Beth is going to tell is how it is in her book.

The "powers that be" in Aruba/Holland have been successfully denying an American citizen justice for 2 1/2 years without a wimper being heard from the "powers that be" in the States.  I have come to believe that "connections" have the ability to accomplish anything.

Just my humble opinion.

Janet

 

I understand your "fears."  But in America -- we can print anything we damn well please. NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT AWAY.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Thanks, San!

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VAN SUSTEREN: When you got to the gas station, did you talk to Beth?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Beth have any idea at that point, as far as you knew, who her daughter had been seen with or who she had last been known to be with?

C. CROES: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did she tell you?

C. CROES: Specifically, she told me that her daughter went to Carlos and Charlie's, and that, while there, she had met up with a young guy and asked him to take her home, and that she got into a small silver or gray car that had a large exhaust on the back and tinted windows, and had left.

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Does anyone think that Beth really made the comment above in red to Charles ??

Does anyone think that Charles Croes is a 'player' and in this up to his beady eyeballs?? And a lieing POS?

That's exactly what I think,what I have always thought about Charles"oh so friggen helpful"Croes.
Hi Monkeys

[Tamikosmom]

wreck ... I have no idea of the legality in regards to stopping a release of a book or ... recalling after the release. I am just very aprehensive when it is considered that Beth is going to tell is how it is in her book.

The "powers that be" in Aruba/Holland have been successfully denying an American citizen justice for 2 1/2 years without a wimper being heard from the "powers that be" in the States.  I have come to believe that "connections" have the ability to accomplish anything.

Just my humble opinion.

Janet

I understand your "fears."  But in America -- we can print anything we damn well please. NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT AWAY.

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus emerged from a meeting with the Aruban delegation ... a meeting that lasted less than 2 1/2 HOUR ... convinced that the SIX MONTH investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway was credible.  How is that a possibility in just 2 1/2 hours? In the initial stages of the investigation Bachus' impression of the investigation differed considerably .... he believed that the FBI should be "heavily" involved.

Bachus would not comment on exactly what was discussed at the meeting.  However ... he bowed to the Aruban delegation's objection to allowing the family's representation ... John Q. Kelly ... to be present.

What caused Senator Bachus to betray Natalee and her family?

Janet

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BIRMINGHAM NEWS - JUNE 5, 2005

U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.

"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."


CBS NEWS - DECEMBER 16, 2005

(AP) Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a "frank and open discussion" and that Aruban authorities have devoted "tremendous resources" to the case.

"Their intention going forward ... is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously," Bachus told reporters. "They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads."

<snipped>

John Quinlan Kelly, a New York-based attorney for the Holloway family, said Natalee Holloway's parents wanted him to attend the meeting, but the lawmaker's office told Holloway's family the Arubans objected to that.

[wreck]

Bachus appears to be a buffoon. But, not even a U.S. Senator nor the President or anyone else can deny the Freedom of the Press. The Arubans could "ban" the book in Aruba, the Dutch could "ban" the book in The Netherlands  -- no one can ban it here.

[Tylergal]

Good morning-

I had a friend over last night and didn't get to read much more.

I do notice a different account of CC. He does seem to tell Beth he is a 'self-proclaimed clairvoyant'. This is followed by him asking her some very personal questions. Looks like that translation was correct after all.

When you see this new light shed on him, you could be repulsed. He comes off a sicko and someone who uses this missing person tragedy as a way to get some kind of sick thrill.

Ah, the gentle rapist, I believe my term for him early on, Rob.  How are you?

[Tylergal]

Beth's Book Book:

"And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at a poker tournament there - the same time we were standing in the van der Sloots front yard in the wee hours of May 30."



Joran June 14, 2005 statement:

At the Wyndham Hotel I walked in through the beach entrance and walked to the casino. In the casino I walked directly to the man called "Elvis". Elvis had U.S. 10,- for me. A week earlier I had lent him U.S. 10,-. I had gotten my U.S. 10,- from Elvis and went to register. The fee for registering was U.S. 10,-. I met Andre and his dad at the Casino. Andre and myself stayed inside the casino and walked around until the tournament started. The tournament started at 20.15 pm. I was at a table with ten (10) people. At the beginning of the game everyone had to give their registration receipt to the "Dealer". Thirty (30) minutes later I had lost. I then went to play black jack for about 15 minutes. I had won U.S. 30,-. With the U.S. 30,-

I went back to the poker game to play again. The second time I played poker I was in the game for about 1 hour. After an hour I had gone out. I stayed and waited for Andre because he was also losing. In the meantime I had called Guido. Guido had told me that he was nearly finished. At approximately 22.30, Guido arrived at the Wyndham Casino. Guido and myself went for a circular walk. After that Guido and myself walked to his car. His car was in the parking lot of the Wyndham Hotel.

Deepak June 13, 2005:

I forgot what he told me, but I asked him subsequently what he was doing now. Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham and that he was there together with our friend Guido.


Glenda RU September 21, 2007 10:44:

Of course J1K didn't appear on the Wyndham Security tapes, they were at the RADISSON where they did appear on the tapes together with two other of Joran's friends. Joran's trail has been detailed specifically with witnesses and security tapes for the entire day of June 30th, 2005 and Betty knows this.

Someone please tell Glenda to give it up. Beth is not the goof.

Excellent!! This is the kind of stuff, that I think we can take and EXPOSE the cretin Julia with. While it doesn't appear that Beth takes a direct stab at her. She gives us the ammunition to totally discredit her. That is why Julia FEARS this book.

Did you know that if someone was to ask the witch who was the father of that baby she was "holding" in her arms, if she was honest, she would tell you she didn't know.  He just came in and took off his hat and left no calling card.

[Frank]

Banning the book would be good for us. Did they ban Joran's book?

Getting a confirmation, or a no response from Mr. Pesqueara would be good. Any attention is good for Natalee.

Everyone please buy as many books as possible and give them away.

I intend to send one to Spencer Bachus

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

The Netherlands Tries to Crack Down on Crime … Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen, “We Only Want to Get Rid of Some of the Prostitution”


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/09/22/the-netherlands-tries-to-crack-down-on-crime-amsterdam-mayor-job-cohen-we-only-want-to-get-rid-of-some-of-the-prostitution/

[Red]

Banning the book would be good for us. Did they ban Joran's book?

Getting a confirmation, or a no response from Mr. Pesqueara would be good. Any attention is good for Natalee.

Everyone please buy as many books as possible and give them away.

I intend to send one to Spencer Bachus

The brilliance of this is beyond words. We have thought this and said it behind closed doors for quite some time until the books eventual release was announced.

This book will never be banned.

This is America ... Not Aruba. There is a reason why Freedom of Speech is the 1st Amendment.

I guess they don't understand our laws.

However, this is Beth's brilliance. If Aruba or Joran or the Kalpoes want to prevent anything, they will have to sue her in an American court. And what does that bring???

Answer ... Jurisdiction. Beth will be allowed the same files that were just granted to Dr Phil.

It would also show that Aruba and the suspects have everything to hide.

[Tamikosmom]

Banning the book would be good for us. Did they ban Joran's book?

Getting a confirmation, or a no response from Mr. Pesqueara would be good. Any attention is good for Natalee.

Everyone please buy as many books as possible and give them away.

I intend to send one to Spencer Bachus

The brilliance of this is beyond words. We have thought this and said it behind closed doors for quite some time until the books eventual release was announced.

This book will never be banned.

This is America ... Not Aruba. There is a reason why Freedom of Speech is the 1st Amendment.

I guess they don't understand our laws.

However, this is Beth's brilliance. If Aruba or Joran or the Kalpoes want to prevent anything, they will have to sue her in an American court. And what does that bring???

Answer ... Jurisdiction. Beth will be allowed the same files that were just granted to Dr Phil.

It would also show that Aruba and the suspects have everything to hide.

Red ... I agree to a some extent when those from Aruba are considered but I am still leary regarding Paulus' connections in Aruba and the United States.  Then there is Jorge Pesquera ... who is an American and ... a high ranking civil servant ... with political connections.  Then when it is considered what has stated in this book in regards to this man's words ...

As Beth would say .... "Greta ... this is huge."   

Janet

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Book

Task Force/Beth meeting (Nov)

"It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."

Credit: igsigs

[wreck]

Banning the book would be good for us. Did they ban Joran's book?

Getting a confirmation, or a no response from Mr. Pesqueara would be good. Any attention is good for Natalee.

Everyone please buy as many books as possible and give them away.

I intend to send one to Spencer Bachus

The brilliance of this is beyond words. We have thought this and said it behind closed doors for quite some time until the books eventual release was announced.

This book will never be banned.

This is America ... Not Aruba. There is a reason why Freedom of Speech is the 1st Amendment.

I guess they don't understand our laws.

However, this is Beth's brilliance. If Aruba or Joran or the Kalpoes want to prevent anything, they will have to sue her in an American court. And what does that bring???

Answer ... Jurisdiction. Beth will be allowed the same files that were just granted to Dr Phil.

It would also show that Aruba and the suspects have everything to hide.

Red ... I agree to a some extent when those from Aruba are considered but I am still leary regarding Paulus' connections in Aruba and the United States.  Then there is Jorge Pesquera ... who is an American and ... a high ranking civil servant ... with political connections.  Then when it is considered what has stated in this book in regards to this man's words ...

As Beth would say .... "Greta ... this is huge."   

Janet

++++++++++++++++++++++

Book

Task Force/Beth meeting (Nov)

"It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."

Credit: igsigs

I just don't understand what you are afraid of. Paulus has NO power to get a book quashed. I don't care who his "connections" are. Jorge Pesquera  a "high ranking" publiv servant?!?! Don't make me laugh. He is about a half rung higher than Dog Catcher.

[Rob]

Well, I just finished the book and all I can say is WOW!

It was amazing. As I have said, it is exceptionally well written. It reveals some facts that I was not sure about and expanded on some areas we already have some clues about.

If I could possibly be more impressed by Beth ... I am now. I know that is hard for some to even imagine as we all hold her in such high regard, but she really takes it to a new level. I am sure you will all be so impressed.

The book does reveal a possible reason for the US Government's reluctance to get involved. And I don't mean the FBI who was shut out. It will not be anything you have considered as this is completely new and based on issues that have not been discussed to my knowledge.

The Chapter titled 'In Natalee's Room' is pretty emotional. I see Beth's heart in there.

The book is correctly titled ~ LOVING NATALEE

It is a testament to Beth's love for Natalee and Matt. It is a wonderfully well written true saga.

[Kermit]

 they've been engaged in a cover-up for the past six, seven, eight months." - Joe Scarboroughjoranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2006/02/from-aruba-to-america-chris-matthews.html - 27k -

[Kermit]

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 they've been engaged in a cover-up for the past six, seven, eight months." - Joe Scarboroughjoranvandersloot.blogspot.com/2006/02/from-aruba-to-america-chris-matthews.html - 27k -

they've been engaged in a cover-up for the past six, seven, eight months." - Joe


LOOK OUT ARUBA - JUSTICE IS ONLY A STEP AWAY

[Tamikosmom]

Banning the book would be good for us. Did they ban Joran's book?

Getting a confirmation, or a no response from Mr. Pesqueara would be good. Any attention is good for Natalee.

Everyone please buy as many books as possible and give them away.

I intend to send one to Spencer Bachus

The brilliance of this is beyond words. We have thought this and said it behind closed doors for quite some time until the books eventual release was announced.

This book will never be banned.

This is America ... Not Aruba. There is a reason why Freedom of Speech is the 1st Amendment.

I guess they don't understand our laws.

However, this is Beth's brilliance. If Aruba or Joran or the Kalpoes want to prevent anything, they will have to sue her in an American court. And what does that bring???

Answer ... Jurisdiction. Beth will be allowed the same files that were just granted to Dr Phil.

It would also show that Aruba and the suspects have everything to hide.

Red ... I agree to a some extent when those from Aruba are considered but I am still leary regarding Paulus' connections in Aruba and the United States.  Then there is Jorge Pesquera ... who is an American and ... a high ranking civil servant ... with political connections.  Then when it is considered what has stated in this book in regards to this man's words ...

As Beth would say .... "Greta ... this is huge."   

Janet

++++++++++++++++++++++

Book

Task Force/Beth meeting (Nov)

"It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."

Credit: igsigs

I just don't understand what you are afraid of. Paulus has NO power to get a book quashed. I don't care who his "connections" are. Jorge Pesquera  a "high ranking" publiv servant?!?! Don't make me laugh. He is about a half rung higher than Dog Catcher.

wrench ... on this issue we do have to agree to disagree.  I am of the opinion that Paulus hold a lot of power and ... this man's Aruban, Dutch and American political  connections are the reasons that a corrupt Aruban investigation has had the ability to deny justice for 2 1/2 years to an 18 year old American citizen who went on Aruban soil.

Have a good weekend Monkeys.  I am off.

Special thanks to igsigs and Rob for the updates.

Janet

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Book

Sept. Release

"The Dutch interrogators, who have tried as hard as the FBI to help us, come up to the room. They are trying to make heads or tails of this. 'In Holland this never would have happened,' one of them tells me. 'The defense is running the show.' They were as shocked as we were that the three will be released and said information was presented to the judge that showed ample reason to keep them in custody."

Credit: igsigs

[Kermit]

Elisa Lejuez-Peters

She is also interpreting sketches originated by Charles Croes, the HUGO BOSS boutique owner.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter51.html#story8



LET'S PLAY CONNECT THE ARUBAN DOTS

Remember the picture of the van der sloot house with the furniture van and the name on the side of the truck read: DANA

Little background:
Elisa Lejuez is the WIFE of Chris Lejuez's son.

Chris Lejuez was the attorney that represented BOTH security guards when they were first arrested.
THEN Karen Janssen made him recuse himself and only rep one of the Security Guards. So, Noriannia Pietrez represented Mickey Johns.

Remember also Chris Lejuez is the brother of Helen Lejuez and Helen was hired by the Twitty family to rep them in Aruba.

Helen also is the attorney who represented Dompig's ex-wife in their divorce case.

Now, back to Elisa Lejuez.
Elisa moved to Aruba in 1999.

She is Chris Lejuez WIFE! And they have a baby.

She was commissioned by the Radisson Aruba Resort to paint 20 works for the Radisson AND the local furniture store DANA is selling several of her works in their showroom.
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Beth Arrived at 11:00 P.M.

11:30 P.M.
CHARLES CROES: "I was called by a major friend"
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Charles Croes met with Beth at the Valero Gas station at midnight. Then he leaves, while Beth goes back to the HI

Around 02.00 Charles Croes meets back up with Beth and they arrive at the VDS home.


* WHERE WAS CHARLES CROES FROM MIDNIGHT UNTIL 2 AM? (the beach is only a 5 min. drive)

* WHY WOULD CHARLES CROES BE MEETING IN A GAS STATION TO LISTEN TO A PHONE CALL FROM BRYAN REYNOLDS -
  IS THAT HOW YOU TRACE A PHONE CALL?

* WHY DID CHARLES CROES POST ONLINE THURSADY:
I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

* WHY DID CHARLES CROES SAY THIS AND JORAN SAID HE WAS TRYING TO WIN MONEY FOR; "VANDERSLOOT: I think her name was Kathleen. http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,186581,00.html
Katherine Jane Weatherly
   C. CROES: “He said that he had been gambling and that he met Natalee. And Natalee told him that she had lost some money and was trying to recuperate it before she went home


* WHERE WAS CHARLES CROES FROM AFTER MEETING FOR 40 MINUTES WITH BETH AT THE GAS STATION UNTIL 2 AM?

___________________________________________________________________________________

* Johan Sjiem Fat and Lincoln Gomez are on the board of directors of
   Aruba Financial Center Association.

* Gomez is in charge of litigation, corporate Finance and Telcom forAFCA
http://www.afca-aruba.com/news/new_fiscal_framework.html

* Lincoln Gomez is on the board of directors for Charles Croes cell phone company.
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[Tylergal]

I think Beth put a lot of misplaced trust in Greta.  Had Rita Cosby been her main source to get the word out, Rita would have done investigative reporting.  Greta is the Larry King of attorneys.  Just sit and ask stupid ass questions and believe anything anyone tells you and not question it.  Rita is more confrontational but in a very charming way and could have done a great piece on Natalee as she has done for the Anna Nicole case.  It is too bad that it happened, but I suspect Beth was grasping for straws, not knowing what a weak link Greta is.  Greta has no care about tomorrow, just the show for the day whereas Rita is buiding a solid reputation for hard-hitting fact-gathering.

[Tamikosmom]

Elisa Lejuez-Peters

She is also interpreting sketches originated by Charles Croes, the HUGO BOSS boutique owner.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter51.html#story8


LET'S PLAY CONNECT THE ARUBAN DOTS

Remember the picture of the van der sloot house with the furniture van and the name on the side of the truck read: DANA

Little background:
Elisa Lejuez is the WIFE of Chris Lejuez's son.

Chris Lejuez was the attorney that represented BOTH security guards when they were first arrested.
THEN Karen Janssen made him recuse himself and only rep one of the Security Guards. So, Noriannia Pietrez represented Mickey Johns.

Remember also Chris Lejuez is the brother of Helen Lejuez and Helen was hired by the Twitty family to rep them in Aruba.

Helen also is the attorney who represented Dompig's ex-wife in their divorce case.

Now, back to Elisa Lejuez.
Elisa moved to Aruba in 1999.

She is Chris Lejuez WIFE! And they have a baby.

She was commissioned by the Radisson Aruba Resort to paint 20 works for the Radisson AND the local furniture store DANA is selling several of her works in their showroom.
____________________________________________________________________
Beth Arrived at 11:00 P.M.

11:30 P.M.
CHARLES CROES: "I was called by a major friend"
___________________________________________________________________
Charles Croes met with Beth at the Valero Gas station at midnight. Then he leaves, while Beth goes back to the HI

Around 02.00 Charles Croes meets back up with Beth and they arrive at the VDS home.


* WHERE WAS CHARLES CROES FROM MIDNIGHT UNTIL 2 AM? (the beach is only a 5 min. drive)

* WHY WOULD CHARLES CROES BE MEETING IN A GAS STATION TO LISTEN TO A PHONE CALL FROM BRYAN REYNOLDS -
  IS THAT HOW YOU TRACE A PHONE CALL?

* WHY DID CHARLES CROES POST ONLINE THURSADY:
I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

* WHY DID CHARLES CROES SAY THIS AND JORAN SAID HE WAS TRYING TO WIN MONEY FOR; "VANDERSLOOT: I think her name was Kathleen. http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,186581,00.html
Katherine Jane Weatherly
   C. CROES: “He said that he had been gambling and that he met Natalee. And Natalee told him that she had lost some money and was trying to recuperate it before she went home


* WHERE WAS CHARLES CROES FROM AFTER MEETING FOR 40 MINUTES WITH BETH AT THE GAS STATION UNTIL 2 AM?

___________________________________________________________________________________

* Johan Sjiem Fat and Lincoln Gomez are on the board of directors of
   Aruba Financial Center Association.

* Gomez is in charge of litigation, corporate Finance and Telcom forAFCA
http://www.afca-aruba.com/news/new_fiscal_framework.html

* Lincoln Gomez is on the board of directors for Charles Croes cell phone company.
__________________________________________________________

Kermit .... finished!!!  I played the game ... connected the dots ... a clear picture emerged ... Corruption in Paradise.  Did I win?  Did I?  Did I/

 

Have a good weekend Kermit.

Janet

12:30 PM

[Tylergal]

No, Janet, you do not win until you lay it all out.  Kermit has provided us withe the players and we have the dots.  Now tell us just what you think about the minutia from dot A to dot B.  I know what my opinion is based on what Kermit has laid out for us, and I know that I am not the only one who thinks it, but just give us a play-by-play, names, etc.   

[dennisintn]

pesquera is getting paid the big bucks because of his ability to stand in front of cameras and microphones and say with a straight face "palm beach has the lowest crime rate in the world, even tops aruba, and that victim's corpse didn't have shark bites, they were self-inflicted bites and it's all a part of an insurance scam and she ran away from home anyway, and we have plenty of credible witnesses to back up everything i've told you, and by the way, did you know her mother's kin to hitler, so there. "
dennisintn