Natalee Case Discussion #681 9/16 - 9/24/2007

[Tamikosmom]

No & Yes.....we were posting with similar thoughts at the same time. 

 

'similar minds' 

There is a saying ... "Great minds thnk alike".   

There is also a saying ... "Fools seldom differ".   

Sharon ... don't hit me!!!!

 

Janet

    We both have degrees from the same institution of 'higher' learning....mmmm

2JN ... when the evidence is considered ... this wannabe detective speculates that the appropriate quote which applies to this case is ....

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!!!!

Hugs

Janet

[simp1980]

Bad news.  My myspace was deleted.    All the messages I sent to the poker players are now lost

[greeneyedlady]

Bad news.  My myspace was deleted.    All the messages I sent to the poker players are now lost

Gee simp, that is bad news. How in the heck did that happen?

[simp1980]

Im not sure.  I sent an email to myspace to find out. 

[klaasend]

Bad news.  My myspace was deleted.    All the messages I sent to the poker players are now lost

WOW - Let us know what myspace says.  You would think Myspace would send you a warning if they were going to delete it though.  It's almost as if someone got into your account and deleted it.

[klaasend]

Bad news.  My myspace was deleted.    All the messages I sent to the poker players are now lost

WOW - Let us know what myspace says.  You would think Myspace would send you a warning if they were going to delete it though.  It's almost as if someone got into your account and deleted it.

Did you bookmark the link to your myspace?  I ask because may be able to pull up the archived/cached page if it will help?

[LoRain]

Is it not odd that C. Crowes says he has never heard of Vandersloots....he was a judge or running for judge on the island...right?....seems to me he would have heard his name before...IMO

[klaasend]

Is it not odd that C. Crowes says he has never heard of Vandersloots....he was a judge or running for judge on the island...right?....seems to me he would have heard his name before...IMO

Seems almost unbelievable  Yes, very odd.

[dennisintn]

nobody knows, or admits knowing, anybody if it might cause them to be connected to the natalee holloway case.  it's the law.
dennisintn

[Kiwi]

Klaasend I have a fairly basic question. Maybe its been discussed previously. These three had limited experiences in life, as teens they would tend to do repetitive activities. They would have a favorite spot to take girls to. They would also have a favorite place to take unsuspecting tourists to. At there age it could be one and the same. So here's the question. Has anyone just simply put out a call for someone to come out of the shadows and point to a place they were taken? That place would be the best place to start from since it wouldn't be buried in a lie. They would have gone there again, especially if they got away with something or as they say twenty times before.

We are pretty certain they have been to The Mill Resort before, possibly to other hotel rooms.  I also agree with SAN that Joran's apartment or house is a likely place as we know he can freely have girls there.  I also wonder about Freddy's place.

Thanks for finding the above. Hopefully someone out there will read this and respond with first hand knowledge. I
I agree that when it comes to knowing anyone on that island, no one knows anyone if it relates to Natalee. They just all hangout at one or two casinos, C&C and everyone on the island can describe the K2 car.

[klaasend]

Klaasend I have a fairly basic question. Maybe its been discussed previously. These three had limited experiences in life, as teens they would tend to do repetitive activities. They would have a favorite spot to take girls to. They would also have a favorite place to take unsuspecting tourists to. At there age it could be one and the same. So here's the question. Has anyone just simply put out a call for someone to come out of the shadows and point to a place they were taken? That place would be the best place to start from since it wouldn't be buried in a lie. They would have gone there again, especially if they got away with something or as they say twenty times before.

We are pretty certain they have been to The Mill Resort before, possibly to other hotel rooms.  I also agree with SAN that Joran's apartment or house is a likely place as we know he can freely have girls there.  I also wonder about Freddy's place.

Thanks for finding the above. Hopefully someone out there will read this and respond with first hand knowledge. I
I agree that when it comes to knowing anyone on that island, no one knows anyone if it relates to Natalee. They just all hangout at one or two casinos, C&C and everyone on the island can describe the K2 car.

We are also fairly certain that it was Bailey Ann that Joran/Deepak/Freddy/Loco Stef took to The Mill Resort and we know that the FBI did interview Bailey Ann.

[Kiwi]

Klaasend I have a fairly basic question. Maybe its been discussed previously. These three had limited experiences in life, as teens they would tend to do repetitive activities. They would have a favorite spot to take girls to. They would also have a favorite place to take unsuspecting tourists to. At there age it could be one and the same. So here's the question. Has anyone just simply put out a call for someone to come out of the shadows and point to a place they were taken? That place would be the best place to start from since it wouldn't be buried in a lie. They would have gone there again, especially if they got away with something or as they say twenty times before.

We are pretty certain they have been to The Mill Resort before, possibly to other hotel rooms.  I also agree with SAN that Joran's apartment or house is a likely place as we know he can freely have girls there.  I also wonder about Freddy's place.

Thanks for finding the above. Hopefully someone out there will read this and respond with first hand knowledge. I
I agree that when it comes to knowing anyone on that island, no one knows anyone if it relates to Natalee. They just all hangout at one or two casinos, C&C and everyone on the island can describe the K2 car.

We are also fairly certain that it was Bailey Ann that Joran/Deepak/Freddy/Loco Stef took to The Mill Resort and we know that the FBI did interview Bailey Ann.

Ok The Mill Resort would seem to be too high profile. too many people around too hard to control witnesses. Even the Marriott seems a bad spot with beach patrols, tourists and fisherman.

[simp1980]

Bad news.  My myspace was deleted.    All the messages I sent to the poker players are now lost

WOW - Let us know what myspace says.  You would think Myspace would send you a warning if they were going to delete it though.  It's almost as if someone got into your account and deleted it.

Did you bookmark the link to your myspace?  I ask because may be able to pull up the archived/cached page if it will help?

I did not 

[klaasend]

Bad news.  My myspace was deleted.    All the messages I sent to the poker players are now lost

WOW - Let us know what myspace says.  You would think Myspace would send you a warning if they were going to delete it though.  It's almost as if someone got into your account and deleted it.

Did you bookmark the link to your myspace?  I ask because may be able to pull up the archived/cached page if it will help?

I did not 

If you go ahead and try to sign onto Myspace the way you normally would, THEN...copy the link in your browser, you could try going to the Internet Achive Way Back Machine and see if you can find it.   http://www.archive.org/index.php

[simp1980]

Bad news.  My myspace was deleted.    All the messages I sent to the poker players are now lost

WOW - Let us know what myspace says.  You would think Myspace would send you a warning if they were going to delete it though.  It's almost as if someone got into your account and deleted it.

We're sorry, access to http://www.myspace.com/thoughtcriminal1980 has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt.
Read more about robots.txt
See the site's robots.txt file.
Try another request or click here to search for all pages on myspace.com/thoughtcriminal1980
See the FAQs for more info and help, or contact us.


Did you bookmark the link to your myspace?  I ask because may be able to pull up the archived/cached page if it will help?

I did not 

If you go ahead and try to sign onto Myspace the way you normally would, THEN...copy the link in your browser, you could try going to the Internet Achive Way Back Machine and see if you can find it.   http://www.archive.org/index.php

[simp1980]

Hmm that last post was funky.  Here is what I got from the archive site:

We're sorry, access to http://www.myspace.com/thoughtcriminal1980 has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt.
Read more about robots.txt
See the site's robots.txt file.
Try another request or click here to search for all pages on myspace.com/thoughtcriminal1980
See the FAQs for more info and help, or contact us.

[klaasend]

Hmm that last post was funky.  Here is what I got from the archive site:

We're sorry, access to http://www.myspace.com/thoughtcriminal1980 has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt.
Read more about robots.txt
See the site's robots.txt file.
Try another request or click here to search for all pages on myspace.com/thoughtcriminal1980
See the FAQs for more info and help, or contact us.

I'll email you what I got unless you say it's OK to post here in the forum.  Let me know.  I was able to get a cached page.

Edited to add:  Just emailed it to you 

[Kiwi]

Bad news.  My myspace was deleted.    All the messages I sent to the poker players are now lost

WOW - Let us know what myspace says.  You would think Myspace would send you a warning if they were going to delete it though.  It's almost as if someone got into your account and deleted it.

Did you bookmark the link to your myspace?  I ask because may be able to pull up the archived/cached page if it will help?

I did not 

According to my expert teenager the folks we sent the request to may have complained about receiving the letter. They may have assumed that it was spam. Too bad there isn't someone out they recognize or could be invited to read here at SM.

[JusticeforNatalee]

Keep reminding Dr. Condi Rice regarding Aruba's denial of justice for
American citizen Natalee Holloway.

http://www.state.gov/

[klaasend]

Posted at Scrux (his posts intrigue me  )

Jonathan45

Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 92

 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject:   

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No condom no sex no body no case

As Joran stated: he didn't had a condom in his wallet when the couple wanted to have sex near the Fisherman's Huts [FH].
Joran wrote on page 89/90 about what he was doing just before he became so horny that he had to grab his wallet for a condom: in Dutch ""een beetje droogneuken".
Then Joran is confronted with a condomless wallet and thought in Dutch: shit, no condom, kut, kut, kut, dan gaat het feest niet door. Ik zeg:"I have no condom with me." Tho we decided to have sex without penetration. Without a condom I am not doing it he wrote and I also don't know what she have been doing before me. For me she was certainly no virgin.
After this Joran describes their sexual activities before and after he washed his hands in the ocean of innocence.

No condoms in his wallet.
No condoms in his apartment too ?
That is also a fact since 'no condoms' became a fact in Joran's lying truth beachstory as his excuse alibi.

Joran on page 85 about Natalee already in Deepak's car:

" Can I come to your house, she asked again. Yeah, sure I answered.
It is her intention that we have sex at my place. She didn't ask me that directly, but I feel seeing her bodylanguage that it's the intention."

On this thread there is no beachstory.
So Joran describes here a lie situated near the FH. The framing call to Deepak at 2.26am confirmed this lie.
No condom no sex.

to be continued

sex without a condom ?