Natalee Case Discussion #681 9/16 - 9/24/2007

[Rob]

Rob - I say go ahead and give us a summary.  Don't quote the book word for word, just "snippets" to give us a general idea...if you can do that.

Ok..give me a few minutes.. Sandy is reading it now.
I will have to go from memory.

[klaasend]

Rob - I say go ahead and give us a summary.  Don't quote the book word for word, just "snippets" to give us a general idea...if you can do that.

Ok..give me a few minutes.. Sandy is reading it now.
I will have to go from memory.

OK

[KarmaRoundUp]

Worse yet, in the original news airing of the man with the cloth that looks like Natalee's shirt, at the end, he holds it out off of a rock and lets the piece he has been holding blow away into the sea.

I am sure there are others who recall that this was originally shown then later, when the video was posted on the website archives, that last part was missing.

Anyone else posting who recalls that little tidbit of Aruban justice?

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I don't remember that end part but it has been a long time since I've seen the video on the news.

[Hotshot]

Forgot the important one, sorry.....
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[LilPuma]

Eveining Monkeys.  Stopped in to see if there was news that didn't make TV yet.  Maybe a rumor or inkling from Jossy.  So sad to read about the blouse that we all seem to believe was Natalee's.  Evidence there was evidence disposed of.  The other night on Dana's show, one of his guests, Dr. Rothstein I think?, said that they've studied people who come through horrific experiences and they've found that people with faith in God come through better off than others.  We've sure seen that with Dave and Beth.  I just want to ask everyone to remember to say a pray each day for peace and answers for the family and justice in this case.  I'm sure most of you already do, but sometimes we get all wrapped up in other stuff going on in our lives and brains that we forget.  

Glad to see the Monkeys aren't giving up.  

Hi Lilpuma - no news except that Glenda is busy attempting to discredit Beth at RU.  She must already have a copy of the book.

Yea, I see that.  I was just reading the new thread.   

[klaasend]

Eveining Monkeys.  Stopped in to see if there was news that didn't make TV yet.  Maybe a rumor or inkling from Jossy.  So sad to read about the blouse that we all seem to believe was Natalee's.  Evidence there was evidence disposed of.  The other night on Dana's show, one of his guests, Dr. Rothstein I think?, said that they've studied people who come through horrific experiences and they've found that people with faith in God come through better off than others.  We've sure seen that with Dave and Beth.  I just want to ask everyone to remember to say a pray each day for peace and answers for the family and justice in this case.  I'm sure most of you already do, but sometimes we get all wrapped up in other stuff going on in our lives and brains that we forget.  

Glad to see the Monkeys aren't giving up.  

Hi Lilpuma - no news except that Glenda is busy attempting to discredit Beth at RU.  She must already have a copy of the book.

Yea, I see that.  I was just reading the new thread.   

Yep.  Please don't bring that stuff over here.  Glenda/Renfro is a very hateful person. 

[Rob]

Natalee's bag - a purple or pink duffel bag was her main bag, I believe it was purple. It had a smaller bag attached to it. Beth did not want to venture into the bag. Her belongings were all arranged in a very meticulous fashion. They seem to have been stacked in a very tight manner that would allow easy unpacking, but very arduous packing. It's easy to just stuff a bag, just not easy to unpack a mess and sort it after a long trip (even tho this was only 4 days). Natalee seem to have this in mind.

"Coach" kept the bag in his possession. It was in the lobby when Beth arrived and he had it. He did not want to leave it in the room and was guarding it. So the bag must have been taken back to the room by Haley or another MB'er. Coach and (I believe) three students stayed behind. (I'm going from memory).

I believe it was most likely Haley that took the bag to the room.

The VT was called. 'Coach' did not know that they were not the polis. He found that out later. He thought the entire time they were there they were in fact the polis. When he told them (meaning the VT), he figured that the polis were now on the case. The VT seems to have never even called the polis. The real polis  - if there is such a thing.

As we all know that was not the case as this info has been out there for some time.

The video of the HI.
At one point Beth was on the phone with an MB student. This is the person that gave Beth the info needed to ID Joran. Beth was watching the videos and was told was Joran was wearing and where he was sitting. She said something like - I now have his face. (not verbatim).

The videos were not all readily available. Some were not ready to go. The videos that were seen were the casino area. Beth and friends got a call at their door (Natalee's room) by an employee that the other videos were ready. They went down to a small room and viewed some of the videos. In this segment it was a girl that was a family friend, but not Natalee. Beth knew after the second viewing that it was not Natalee, but kept watching it anyway. Slowing it down, stopping and reviewing. It was not Natalee. Alot happened between the video viewings.

Caveat-
**This is just a summation.. and in no way reflects all of what happened. I could have some events wrong as I have read the book only once and did take my time to read it slowly. So If I have anything incorrect, please forgive me.**

[klaasend]

Rob - thank you!

[Lala'sMom]

So what happened between the video viewings?  I really want to know.  Please................please.

[klaasend]

So what happened between the video viewings?  I really want to know.  Please................please.

Rob - if you can tell us that please do - Thanks!

[San]

Thank you Rob.

[Rob]

So what happened between the video viewings?  I really want to know.  Please................please.

Rob - if you can tell us that please do - Thanks!

I really do not think I can do it any kind of justice to it. And deep down, I feel I will not allow you to get your own perspective on it.

Maybe a few questions. Summations are not a specialty of mine.

[Rob]

Thank you Rob.

San you are welcome. I hope I don't leave anything out. I kinda know I will.

[Lala'sMom]

Rob
I would like to know about this State Department connection you have alluded to.  I don't see why we can't discuss it on here. In fact, I would welcome the information as a way to start some discussion again of this case. 

[klaasend]

Rob
I would like to know about this State Department connection you have alluded to.  I don't see why we can't discuss it on here. In fact, I would welcome the information as a way to start some discussion again of this case. 

Rob - can you tell us about the State Department connection?  I assure you that what you say will not stop any of us from purchasing the book.  Most of us have already ordered and some of us are getting more than one copy.

[Lala'sMom]

Rob, thanks for what you have already posted.

[Rob]

Rob
I would like to know about this State Department connection you have alluded to.  I don't see why we can't discuss it on here. In fact, I would welcome the information as a way to start some discussion again of this case. 

I am not going to reveal this. It is too important that everyone get their copy first. Sorry about that one Lalasmom.
This will be a serious area of discussion and I don't want to rob anyone of the chance to find out for themselves. I felt it was one of the books 'mind blowers'! I was not prepared for this entry.

igsigs may feel differently and may wish to discuss it.

[Lala'sMom]

Well it will be some time before I get the book, so I guess that leaves me out. I do wish you wouldn't do that to me. You just dropped a hint and then say you won't say anymore. That is not fair, I tell you...just not fair. 

[MuffyBee]

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[Rob]

Well it will be some time before I get the book, so I guess that leaves me out. I do wish you wouldn't do that to me. You just dropped a hint and then say you won't say anymore. That is not fair, I tell you...just not fair. 

I realize it is not fair. And I am sorry. I think I could discuss some of the aspects, but I believe that Red's rule of thumb comes in here.

I know you don't like it at all. But it will be worth the wait and I feel that some will thank me for not jumping the gun.

Everyone should have the ability to see it for themselves. It will only be a few more days at the most and some will have the book by Tuesday and it will be open discussion in the matter then...

how's that?