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« Reply #280 on: September 21, 2007, 06:35:19 AM »

I hear that medley is writing a book of some sort...
Ah jeez...this should be a thriller.  Confused  Any title yet...

My Dinner with Paulus!

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Dial M for Murder Medley

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« Reply #281 on: September 21, 2007, 07:02:56 AM »

I hear that medley is writing a book of some sort...
Ah jeez...this should be a thriller.  Confused  Any title yet...

My Dinner with Paulus!

or...

Dial M for Murder Medley

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 :lol:We could start a thread like they use to do @ FOB..."Titles for medley's new book" Laughing
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« Reply #282 on: September 21, 2007, 09:29:38 AM »

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   09/20/2007

Amigoe has a story about the explosion on the ship that was being repaired. This is at CURACAO, not Aruba.

Explosion on ship in dockyard with five casualties

WILLEMSTAD – In an explosion that took place this morning around 07:40 on the ship Seamec II that was docked at the Curacao Dry-dock Company (CDA), at least five people were killed and six injured lightly.  The people that died are all locals.  Some of them have been working for more than 20 years for CDM.  The youngest one was 20 years old.

The official number of casualties is five, but chances are that more victims may be found inside the ship.  There was a press conference in the building of the Island Council at 17:00 this afternoon.   

The Seamec II entered the port of Curacao last week Wednesday for reparations in the dockyard. 

(more at link)
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« Reply #283 on: September 21, 2007, 09:58:36 AM »

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/9/21/

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Arma, droga y placa confisca…
ATRACADORNAN VIOLENTO DETENI CU TEAM DI ARESTO
 
Accion na Butucu y Rooi Bosal…


ORANJESTAD(AAN): Pa basta dia caba DIARIO tabata pendiente pa nan detencion. Aki ta trata di atracadornan cual pa DIARIO ya caba tabata conoci y cu te hasta tabata wardando e momento exacto pa nan pone man riba nan.

E atracadornan aki ta envolvi den e casonan riba varios comerciante chines na cas y negoshi unda a tira, comete maltrato serio contra chinesnan y te hasta un agente policial. A horta un auto BMW di Chines bay cune sin papia mes di sumanan di mas cu 200 mil Florin.

Den un accion esnan di team di aresto a logra pone man riba e dos prome atracadornan mientras cu por spera mas detencion durante dia. Na un cas na Butucu y tambe na Rooi Bosal e team di aresto a drenta y detene esnan envolvi.

A haya placa, droga, arma pisa y arma di kelki cual a ser usa pa comete atraco. DIARIO a logra haya foto mesora di e detencionnan pa asina henter Aruba por mira kendenan ta envolvi den e casonan serio cu atraco cu violencia.

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arm, drugs y coin confisca…
atracadornan violento deteni cu team of aresto

accion at butucu y rooi bosal…


oranjestad(aan): for enough day end daily paper was pendiente for they detencion. here is deal of atracadornan cual for daily paper already end was conoci y cu till even was wardando the instant exact for they place hand on they.

the atracadornan here is envolvi in the casonan on several comerciante chinese at home y business where owing to throw, comete maltrato earnest contra chinesnan y till even one agent policial. owing to steal one car bmw of chinese bay cune without talk self of sumanan of more cu 200 thousand guilder.

in one accion esnan of team of aresto owing to succeed place hand on the two first atracadornan while cu can wait for more detencion during day. at one cas at butucu y also at rooi bosal the team of aresto owing to enter y detene esnan envolvi.

owing to achieve coin, drugs, arm pisa y arm of kelki cual owing to being using for comete atraco. daily paper owing to succeed achieve photograph at once of the detencionnan for so all aruba can see kendenan is envolvi in the casonan earnest cu atraco cu violencia.

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Dos ladron a hit un joyeria den Havenstraat!
POLIS A GARA LADRON DI PRENDA

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diahuebs merdia, dos homber a drenta den un joyeria situa den Havenstraat. E momento ey tabata tin algun empleado presente cu tabata yuda cliente. E hombernan direpiente a hinca man den showcase y a gara basta prendanan, incluyendo renchi di diamanta, y a core bay.

Gerente a wak y a tambe a core tras di e ladronnan, y esaki a trece un consternacion den cayanan rond di Royal Plaza.

E ladronnan a ‘split’ di otro. Esun flaco a bay den un direccion, y e otro un tiki gordo a bay pa Royal Plaza y sigui pa Parada di Bus.

Pa su malasuerte, un agente policial pasando eybanda tambe a start cu persecusion, y patras di e Aruba Trading den Weststraat nan a logra di gara e ladron gordo. E gordura a strobe di core mas duro!

Ta trata di e sospechoso Peter F. cu ainda tabata tin parti di e botin den su poder. Segun dońo di “Majesty Jewelers” no ta prome biaha cu e homber aki a comete un acto similar den su establecimento.

E balor di e prendanan segun calculo ta den careda di 20 mil Florin. E otro sospechoso a logra di huy y aparentemente e lo ta conoci y no ta exclui cu un ora pa otro lo pone man tambe riba dje.

Mientras tin di remarca cu e molester constante cu tin di chollernan den Havenstraat y vecindario di pa dia ta para bira un pester.



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two thief owing to hit one joyeria in havenstraat!
police owing to grab thief of jewel


oranjestad (aan): diahuebs afternoon, two man owing to enter in one joyeria situa in havenstraat. the instant ey was have some employee present cu was help cliente. the hombernan all of a sudden owing to hinca hand in showcase y owing to grab enough prendanan, incluyendo ring of diamanta, y owing to core bay.

gerente owing to look at y owing to also owing to core behind the ladronnan, y this owing to trece one consternacion in cayanan rond of royal plaza.

the ladronnan owing to ‘split’ of another. esun flaco owing to bay in one direccion, y the another one bit bold owing to bay for royal plaza y follow for parada of bus.

for his malasuerte, one agent policial pasando eybanda also owing to start cu persecusion, y behind the aruba trading in weststraat they owing to succeed of grab the thief bold. the gordura owing to strobe of core more duro!

is deal of the sospechoso peter f. cu still was have part of the botin in his power. according owner of “majesty jewelers” do not first trip cu he here owing to comete one acto similar in his establecimento.

the value of the prendanan according calculo is in careda of 20 thousand guilder. the another sospechoso owing to succeed of huy y apparently the will is conoci y do not exclui cu one hour for another will place hand also on dje.

while have of remarca cu the molester constante cu have of chollernan in havenstraat y vecindario of for day is stop become one pester.

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« Reply #284 on: September 21, 2007, 10:16:22 AM »

For those that were watching, last night GLENDA was on a rant at RU.  I don't know if she was just in an angry mood or maybe had too much to drink.  In any case, she may have let something slip.  The conversation at the time was about Charles Croes and Beth's book:

Glenda Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:23 pm

And you can knock of the Bull Shit! Betty tried to discreted CC as a psychic and Julia stopped her in her tracks. Her "omg statement" that an aruban psychic told me that my daughter gave the son of judge head in the back seat of a car and then accidently died in Seroe Colorado after stating that she didn't want to return to Alabama and called her mother Hitler.

The answers are all in the first days, I've repeated many times, exactly what I was told by Betty in the first days.



The question is why did Glenda/Renfro say SEROE COLORADO??

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« Reply #285 on: September 21, 2007, 10:22:36 AM »

Also from Glenda/Renfro at RU:

Glenda Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:25 am   

Betty said that Joran has keys to the school and takes girls there all the time, that he had a reputation for sleeping at the school after parties so he wouldn't be late to school the next day. Don't know where she got that info, but it later turned out to be not true like many other stories she told.
 
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« Reply #286 on: September 21, 2007, 10:25:30 AM »

Also from Glenda/Renfro at RU:

Glenda Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:25 am   

Betty said that Joran has keys to the school and takes girls there all the time, that he had a reputation for sleeping at the school after parties so he wouldn't be late to school the next day. Don't know where she got that info, but it later turned out to be not true like many other stories she told.
 


Followed by a post from Siddalee (Renfro's mom).  Interresting because I don't think anyone was accusing Glenda of this at all:

Siddalee Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:31 am   

WOW! Looks like a couple of Refugees are getting a little nervous about what may be coming out of Aruba next - so now let's pretend to be all knowing and slam anyone from Aruba who happens to have been there and spent many hours talking with the principals in this case. Or, do you guys really think Glenda could - and would - hack Sneaky Pete's computer? Why is that even being brought up now? How ridiculous. Guess things were getting a little boring around here - so boring we were even asking each other why we are still here and how long are we going to keep this up - so let's stir up some bad feelings with an bunch of inane accusations. Gwen (or whatever nic for the moment) sure had her fangs out.

Good going, Glenda. Just save the rest for the big day - don't waste it here.
 
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« Reply #287 on: September 21, 2007, 10:27:19 AM »

For those that were watching, last night GLENDA was on a rant at RU.  I don't know if she was just in an angry mood or maybe had too much to drink.   In any case, she may have let something slip.  The conversation at the time was about Charles Croes and Beth's book:

Glenda Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:23 pm

And you can knock of the Bull Shit! Betty tried to discreted CC as a psychic and Julia stopped her in her tracks. Her "omg statement" that an aruban psychic told me that my daughter gave the son of judge head in the back seat of a car and then accidently died in Seroe Colorado after stating that she didn't want to return to Alabama and called her mother Hitler.

The answers are all in the first days, I've repeated many times, exactly what I was told by Betty in the first days.



The question is why did Glenda/Renfro say SEROE COLORADO??



I vote for too much to drink.

I agree it is interesting that she mentions SEROE COLORADO here.  Makes me wonder if there truly was something said about that location in the early days, or if she said it because she reads here and is feeding off the what is said here.  Either way, I think she is a nut case.  It's hard to know when to pay attention to anything she says.
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« Reply #288 on: September 21, 2007, 10:43:23 AM »

Yes Klaas, it continues on this morning, too. I think Julia/Glenda doesn't like being questioned. I mean everything she's posted up til recently has been gospel over there. Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #289 on: September 21, 2007, 10:45:34 AM »

Yes Klaas, it continues on this morning, too. I think Julia/Glenda doesn't like being questioned. I mean everything she's posted up til recently has been gospel over there. Rolling Eyes

Yes I see Iquitos just questioned why Siddalee brought up Stinky Pete too.  Seems like Glenda and Siddalee are doing a pre-emptive strike before Beth's book comes out.  I can't wait to get my copy  Laughing
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« Reply #290 on: September 21, 2007, 10:51:18 AM »

Today's chapter, if anyone else is watching and enjoying this as much as I am.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=39

Jonathan45:
Monday May 30 2005 between 7.15pm and 10.00pm

Am I entering the "greyzone" again ?

In his book Joran wrote on page 97 that Marco told him that he had to work till 10.00pm that evening in the Holiday Inn Exelsior casino. After work Marco would come to the Wyndham casino to meet his friends Joran and Andre who were playing a tournament in a pokerroom.
On page 98 Joran wrote about his own activities between the start of the tournament at 7.15pm and the moment he went to the casino and saw Marco who asked him if he had won.
Joran's timeline from 7.15pm:

- After ten minutes I lost.
- He buys himself in to play again.
- After ten minutes he lost again.

Then Joran described that he watched Andre's pokerplay. He saw that Andre would also lose within a short time. He told Andre that he will wait for him in the casino of the Wyndham.
Joran [ page 98] walked out of the pokerroom and then he saw Marco who asked him if he had won. "I lost Joran answered.
Then Marco asked Joran if he wanted to go to the Radisson Casino to play for cash.
Okay Joran said, but first i need to catch some money back home.

Joran wrote: Marco and I walked out of the Wyndham and we drove to my house in his white Nissan Centra.

Though around 8.00pm/8.15pm Joran went out of the pokerroom to the Casino in the Wyndham at a time Marco should be at work in the Holiday Inn Casino till 10.00pm as he told Joran.

Was Marco really till 10.00pm at work in the Holiday Inn Casino ?
Did Joran wrote this timeline story on purpose ?
Is there a timeline gap of almost two hours that mondayevening and just hours before Beth Twitty arrived at the gate of the VDSresidence ?
Did Marco perhaps played a role in a refuneral/disposal of Natalee's body during this timeline gap ?
Was Marco ever questioned about his whereabouts on Monday evening ?

Chapter 17 page 255: Marco D., a local Aruban boy and a friend of Joran was arrested on wednesday May 17 2006 in The Hague, the Netherlands and he was interrogated many times in Utrecht by the KLPD investigators in this unsolved case.
Marco as the "scarfaced" friend who fled to Holland as 5 collegues stated to the police in february 2006.

Just a few days after the missing of Natalee Holloway the police already interrogated Marco as Joran's friend three times.
On May 23 2006 Marco was released. Mr. Spong, his lawyer convinced the judge with his arguments.
Joran confirms in his book that he and Marco did not call eachother anymore since his release.

Another hidden 'suspicious' lying truth story ?


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« Reply #291 on: September 21, 2007, 11:05:49 AM »

Yes Klaas, it continues on this morning, too. I think Julia/Glenda doesn't like being questioned. I mean everything she's posted up til recently has been gospel over there. Rolling Eyes

Yes I see Iquitos just questioned why Siddalee brought up Stinky Pete too.  Seems like Glenda and Siddalee are doing a pre-emptive strike before Beth's book comes out.  I can't wait to get my copy  Laughing

I have a feeling all hell will break loose when Beth's book hits the shelves...if it says what I expect it to say.

I have mine pre-ordered too. Laughing
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« Reply #292 on: September 21, 2007, 11:07:49 AM »

Ohhh, I see Stinky Pete misses Glenda (click on play)  Laughing

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« Reply #293 on: September 21, 2007, 11:08:16 AM »

*******, I just messed up my reply...no matter how hard one tries to reply beyond the quote...well, you know...and I'll see ya later...

Hehe..I hear ya..Your right on one of the dates..PVDS was arrested the the 23rd not the 18th!! The other two are correct..



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June is the 6th month.  Your quotes are dated May (5th month).

Thanks, Buckeye.  This is exactly what I was trying to point out.  All dates I highlighted/bolded were dated May & before Natalee was even there.
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« Reply #294 on: September 21, 2007, 11:09:00 AM »

For those that were watching, last night GLENDA was on a rant at RU.  I don't know if she was just in an angry mood or maybe had too much to drink.  In any case, she may have let something slip.  The conversation at the time was about Charles Croes and Beth's book:

Glenda Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:23 pm

And you can knock of the Bull Shit! Betty tried to discreted CC as a psychic and Julia stopped her in her tracks. Her "omg statement" that an aruban psychic told me that my daughter gave the son of judge head in the back seat of a car and then accidently died in Seroe Colorado after stating that she didn't want to return to Alabama and called her mother Hitler.

The answers are all in the first days, I've repeated many times, exactly what I was told by Betty in the first days.



The question is why did Glenda/Renfro say SEROE COLORADO??



prolly cause she knows Beth's book is hitting the streets today.... he he he!!!
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« Reply #295 on: September 21, 2007, 11:11:51 AM »

For those that were watching, last night GLENDA was on a rant at RU.  I don't know if she was just in an angry mood or maybe had too much to drink.  In any case, she may have let something slip.  The conversation at the time was about Charles Croes and Beth's book:

Glenda Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:23 pm

And you can knock of the Bull Shit! Betty tried to discreted CC as a psychic and Julia stopped her in her tracks. Her "omg statement" that an aruban psychic told me that my daughter gave the son of judge head in the back seat of a car and then accidently died in Seroe Colorado after stating that she didn't want to return to Alabama and called her mother Hitler.

The answers are all in the first days, I've repeated many times, exactly what I was told by Betty in the first days.



The question is why did Glenda/Renfro say SEROE COLORADO??



prolly cause she knows Beth's book is hitting the streets today.... he he he!!!

Today?  I thought October 2nd?
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« Reply #296 on: September 21, 2007, 11:15:58 AM »

For those that were watching, last night GLENDA was on a rant at RU.  I don't know if she was just in an angry mood or maybe had too much to drink.  In any case, she may have let something slip.  The conversation at the time was about Charles Croes and Beth's book:

Glenda Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:23 pm

And you can knock of the Bull Shit! Betty tried to discreted CC as a psychic and Julia stopped her in her tracks. Her "omg statement" that an aruban psychic told me that my daughter gave the son of judge head in the back seat of a car and then accidently died in Seroe Colorado after stating that she didn't want to return to Alabama and called her mother Hitler.

The answers are all in the first days, I've repeated many times, exactly what I was told by Betty in the first days.



The question is why did Glenda/Renfro say SEROE COLORADO??



prolly cause she knows Beth's book is hitting the streets today.... he he he!!!

Today?  I thought October 2nd?

I'll have my copy later today.. Walmart has it for 20 smackers!!!
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« Reply #297 on: September 21, 2007, 11:17:42 AM »

For those that were watching, last night GLENDA was on a rant at RU.  I don't know if she was just in an angry mood or maybe had too much to drink.  In any case, she may have let something slip.  The conversation at the time was about Charles Croes and Beth's book:

Glenda Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:23 pm

And you can knock of the Bull Shit! Betty tried to discreted CC as a psychic and Julia stopped her in her tracks. Her "omg statement" that an aruban psychic told me that my daughter gave the son of judge head in the back seat of a car and then accidently died in Seroe Colorado after stating that she didn't want to return to Alabama and called her mother Hitler.

The answers are all in the first days, I've repeated many times, exactly what I was told by Betty in the first days.



The question is why did Glenda/Renfro say SEROE COLORADO??



prolly cause she knows Beth's book is hitting the streets today.... he he he!!!

Today?  I thought October 2nd?

I'll have my copy later today.. Walmart has it for 20 smackers!!!

It's already at Walmart?  That's almost $4 more than the Amazon price though. 
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« Reply #298 on: September 21, 2007, 11:18:06 AM »

Today's chapter, if anyone else is watching and enjoying this as much as I am.

http://www.scrux.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=39

Jonathan45:
Monday May 30 2005 between 7.15pm and 10.00pm

Am I entering the "greyzone" again ?

In his book Joran wrote on page 97 that Marco told him that he had to work till 10.00pm that evening in the Holiday Inn Exelsior casino. After work Marco would come to the Wyndham casino to meet his friends Joran and Andre who were playing a tournament in a pokerroom.
On page 98 Joran wrote about his own activities between the start of the tournament at 7.15pm and the moment he went to the casino and saw Marco who asked him if he had won.
Joran's timeline from 7.15pm:

- After ten minutes I lost.
- He buys himself in to play again.
- After ten minutes he lost again.

Then Joran described that he watched Andre's pokerplay. He saw that Andre would also lose within a short time. He told Andre that he will wait for him in the casino of the Wyndham.
Joran [ page 98] walked out of the pokerroom and then he saw Marco who asked him if he had won. "I lost Joran answered.
Then Marco asked Joran if he wanted to go to the Radisson Casino to play for cash.
Okay Joran said, but first i need to catch some money back home.

Joran wrote: Marco and I walked out of the Wyndham and we drove to my house in his white Nissan Centra.

Though around 8.00pm/8.15pm Joran went out of the pokerroom to the Casino in the Wyndham at a time Marco should be at work in the Holiday Inn Casino till 10.00pm as he told Joran.

Was Marco really till 10.00pm at work in the Holiday Inn Casino ?
Did Joran wrote this timeline story on purpose ?
Is there a timeline gap of almost two hours that mondayevening and just hours before Beth Twitty arrived at the gate of the VDSresidence ?
Did Marco perhaps played a role in a refuneral/disposal of Natalee's body during this timeline gap ?
Was Marco ever questioned about his whereabouts on Monday evening ?

Chapter 17 page 255: Marco D., a local Aruban boy and a friend of Joran was arrested on wednesday May 17 2006 in The Hague, the Netherlands and he was interrogated many times in Utrecht by the KLPD investigators in this unsolved case.
Marco as the "scarfaced" friend who fled to Holland as 5 collegues stated to the police in february 2006.

Just a few days after the missing of Natalee Holloway the police already interrogated Marco as Joran's friend three times.
On May 23 2006 Marco was released. Mr. Spong, his lawyer convinced the judge with his arguments.
Joran confirms in his book that he and Marco did not call eachother anymore since his release.

Another hidden 'suspicious' lying truth story ?




From Deepak's 06/13/05 PV.  Guido = Marco

At about 18.00 hours, I called Joran on his mobile phone. I had called him with the telephone from where I work. The phone number there is 588xxxx. I asked Joran, how he was doing and if he had gone to school.

I forgot what he told me, but I asked him subsequently what he was doing now. Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham and that he was there together with our friend Guido. I do not know Guido's last name. I do know that he works at the Excelsior Casino as a dealer, I told Joran that I would call later and after that I hung up the phone.


From Andres' 06/20/05 PV

When I started Tournament I saw that Joran sat at another table to play poker. Joran did not play long because he was eliminated very early from this poker tournament. I no longer remember what time Joran was eliminated. I saw that Joran walking around in the casino. I saw then that "Guido WEAVER" came into the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel and walked up to Joran. I no longer remember what time Guido WEAVER arrives at the casino. Because Joran and Guido wanted to play a “live game”, they told me they went to Joran’s house to pick up money to gamble with.
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« Reply #299 on: September 21, 2007, 11:21:32 AM »

I believe in Grande's conversations with CC he denies being a psychic. It's been a long time since I have read that stuff...but it could be in there...
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