Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[Anna]

Good morning Monkeys! So where is this Club Arias located??

Savaneta and the property is or was owned by Astrid van Rijn    The "club" owner is Arias Schwartz

Is this club tied to the drug busts?  I am missing the connection.

Did some of the raids take place there?

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[Lala'sMom]

This club Arias is on the property that we have photos of where the pics of Lorenzo and Astrid were? Looks the same...so instead of just selling the house they turned it into a club?  Or....was it a club all along?   Everyone wanted to make you think these clubs were crack houses and such...but they are nice, upper class places.  Where you can party and obtain drugs and make porn movies and on and on.  Yes, I could Shango here...I will refrain for now.

[JusticeforNatalee]

Here is my question for LKL show:

"Do the Dutch police consider Natalee's case to be a homicide
and is Joran van der Sloot still the prime suspect?"

We already know the answer but it's good to make sure
the general public realizes this.

[Anna]

And the property is not leased to this Arias Schwartz at all but is in fact still in the control of Astrid?

Interesting.  Perhaps these are the "parties" attributed to Lorenzo.  I have never been able to reconcile "reclusive" with "parties" in my own mind, however. 

And of course, prostitution is legal in Aruba so whatever is offered at this club is likely well within their legal framework which allows for just about anything it would seem.

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[klaasend]

FYI - Larry King Live is October 3rd not October 2nd



http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/

Well, Klaas, that explains the schedule conflict I mentioned to you.
So, Beth is on the show Oct. 3, not Oct. 2. That makes more sense.
Maybe Beth just made a typo in her e-mail or was just off by a day.

So, everyone who marked your calendars, the date appears to be
Oct. 3.

We should think of some good questions to send to the show.

   Yep, thought about you when I saw that!  I've added to the Media thread as well.

[klaasend]

This club Arias is on the property that we have photos of where the pics of Lorenzo and Astrid were? Looks the same...so instead of just selling the house they turned it into a club?  Or....was it a club all along?   Everyone wanted to make you think these clubs were crack houses and such...but they are nice, upper class places.  Where you can party and obtain drugs and make porn movies and on and on.  Yes, I could Shango here...I will refrain for now.

Sounds like it's been a CLUB for a while.  She may have sold her interest in the property..not sure.

[klaasend]

Lala's - please check the Musing thread.  I posted regarding your shortcut

[klaasend]

TO:  The jackasses at Refugees

What you just attributed to me was a post by FierlJepper at Scrux. 

[Anna]

So this club happened after Natalee disappeared and the property has been sold or leased to other people? 

[klaasend]

So this club happened after Natalee disappeared and the property has been sold or leased to other people? 

NO - the club happened before Natalee went to Aruba and was operational when Natalee was there.

[klaasend]

So this club happened after Natalee disappeared and the property has been sold or leased to other people? 

NO - the club happened before Natalee went to Aruba and was operational when Natalee was there.

Actually - let me retract what I said.  We don't know for sure yet when the actual CLUB ARIAS started. 

[Anna]

Well, Klaas, that explains the schedule conflict I mentioned to you.
So, Beth is on the show Oct. 3, not Oct. 2. That makes more sense.
Maybe Beth just made a typo in her e-mail or was just off by a day.

So, everyone who marked your calendars, the date appears to be
Oct. 3.

We should think of some good questions to send to the show.

Yes, that is a very good idea, J4N, I think we should ask even things we know the answers to just as you suggested so that it will give Beth maximum chance to update others on the situation.

Most of the people I have discussed this with in person think J2K were tried and convicted.

People not following closely often miss everything.

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[Rob]

Schwartz is a kinda common name - - - but!

[Anna]

So this club happened after Natalee disappeared and the property has been sold or leased to other people? 

NO - the club happened before Natalee went to Aruba and was operational when Natalee was there.

Actually - let me retract what I said.  We don't know for sure yet when the actual CLUB ARIAS started. 

******* posted about it being new and we do know Astrid is reported to have remarried and possibly returned to the Netherlands so on what is it based the club was operational when Natalee was in Aruba?  I thought Astrid was still living in the house at that time.

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[klaasend]

You can tell it's a new place the testimonials look really fake..lol..What kind of private club is this really?? WHo runs it Flory and Arias Schwartz from FLA or a Local Aruban Guy??

This guy seem's pretty fishy
http://www.clubarias.com/testimonials6.html
Coming to Aruba wasn't one really one of my first choices of Vacation but he heard about club arias and met Arias personally and I thought it would be interesting trip to hang out with a local Local guy who is building a Dream Club in Aruba to cater to clients that want personal attention and umm thats Why he got there this week

What does she do for the Club?  It looks like Maria the masseuse
http://www.clubarias.com/testimonials1.html

She on vacation also? 
http://www.clubarias.com/testimonials3.html

What's this kid doing at the party?? He looks like he is 13
http://www.clubarias.com/testimonials8.html

That his wife??"He likes this place"
http://www.clubarias.com/testimonials2.html

"No place in the world like club arias??Yeh anything you say pal
http://www.clubarias.com/testimonials7.html

http://www.clubarias.com/testimonials.html
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Domain Name.......... clubarias.com
  Creation Date........ 2006-07-23
  Registration Date.... 2006-07-23
  Expiry Date.......... 2008-07-23
  Organisation Name.... Arias Schwarz
 
Domain Name: clubarias.com

Anna - the above doesn't necessarily mean the "Club" began in July 2006, it only means the domain name was registered then. 

Club Arias isn't in the Aruba Chamber registry even.  It very well may have been a "Club" before Natalee and is still now only with a new name and ownership.

[Lala'sMom]

The bottom line here is that speculation of various clubs (private clubs by invitation only) has always been a hot topic on here.  Do they exist or not?  We have talked and argued about it for two years now.  Whether this club existed when Natale was there is only important if you think this could be where she was taken.  We know that Lorenzo's name was one of the first mentioned concerning private "rave" parties.  It was the Aruban posters that were floating these stories within days of Natalee's disappearance.  So that tells me there is some credence to these stories.  I know many think Lorenzo is secondary and some of us think he's highly involved.  There are coincidences that could lead one to believe that he is indeed involved.  It's all a matter of connecting the dots. Regardless, those private party places exist on Aruba and most likely they involve gambling and money laundering and a whole host of other underworld things.
 

[klaasend]

The bottom line here is that speculation of various clubs (private clubs by invitation only) has always been a hot topic on here.  Do they exist or not?  We have talked and argued about it for two years now.  Whether this club existed when Natale was there is only important if you think this could be where she was taken.  We know that Lorenzo's name was one of the first mentioned concerning private "rave" parties.  It was the Aruban posters that were floating these stories within days of Natalee's disappearance.  So that tells me there is some credence to these stories.  I know many think Lorenzo is secondary and some of us think he's highly involved.  There are coincidences that could lead one to believe that he is indeed involved.  It's all a matter of connecting the dots. Regardless, those private party places exist on Aruba and most likely they involve gambling and money laundering and a whole host of other underworld things.
 

Lala's I agree 100%

[sharon]

The bottom line here is that speculation of various clubs (private clubs by invitation only) has always been a hot topic on here.  Do they exist or not?  We have talked and argued about it for two years now.  Whether this club existed when Natale was there is only important if you think this could be where she was taken.  We know that Lorenzo's name was one of the first mentioned concerning private "rave" parties.  It was the Aruban posters that were floating these stories within days of Natalee's disappearance.  So that tells me there is some credence to these stories.  I know many think Lorenzo is secondary and some of us think he's highly involved.  There are coincidences that could lead one to believe that he is indeed involved.  It's all a matter of connecting the dots. Regardless, those private party places exist on Aruba and most likely they involve gambling and money laundering and a whole host of other underworld things.
 

Yes -- I believe they do exist lala's.

And Mr Arias (and his wife Flory) seem to have a Florida connection -- don't have much time this morning to check it out, though. Hopefully later (unless someone else gets to it first)

IMO -- This is EXACTLY what Freddy's brother -- Ernesto -- 'arranges' in South Beach. That is...before he disappeared (or changed his name )

connecting....the...dots....

[shadow]

The bottom line here is that speculation of various clubs (private clubs by invitation only) has always been a hot topic on here.  Do they exist or not?  We have talked and argued about it for two years now.  Whether this club existed when Natale was there is only important if you think this could be where she was taken.  We know that Lorenzo's name was one of the first mentioned concerning private "rave" parties.  It was the Aruban posters that were floating these stories within days of Natalee's disappearance.  So that tells me there is some credence to these stories.  I know many think Lorenzo is secondary and some of us think he's highly involved.  There are coincidences that could lead one to believe that he is indeed involved.  It's all a matter of connecting the dots. Regardless, those private party places exist on Aruba and most likely they involve gambling and money laundering and a whole host of other underworld things.
 

Well stated lala's!

[msmarple]

Here is my question for LKL show:

"Do the Dutch police consider Natalee's case to be a homicide
and is Joran van der Sloot still the prime suspect?"

We already know the answer but it's good to make sure
the general public realizes this.

I would like for Larry King to ask her about the @#$@&%* phone call(s). I heard Beth say there were NO CALLS, with my own lying ears - but apparently everybody needs to hear it with their own lying ears     

Also would like to know if she actually understood C Croes to say he was a psychic, which is as crazy as anything I've heard about this case.

Those may be too "trivial" however ...

Do you believe the investigators from The Netherlands will make a case against the 3 known suspects - or any other suspects?

Those 3 ARE still suspects, aren't they? (J4N's version is fine too)

Is an International Law approach available?

Do you think you have helped shaped people's perception about traveling, especially outside the United States?