Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[dennisintn]

Hi Klaas,

Maybe they are going out of business. 

If Renfro's recent dribble is any indicator...an overworked spell-check system likely crashed the whole site.  

Or she spilled her rum and coke on the server.   

more like straight l5l rum like she accuses mb'ers of drinking day and night.
dennisintn

[Tamikosmom]

I agree Janet.  Freddy knows.  He is supposed to be a Catholic.  How can he live with the guilt everyday.  He must not attend mass anymore.

Windy ... there are many who are involved in the events of that fateful morning ... Paulus ... Joran ... Deepak ... Satish ... the sons of the elite.  There are many who are involved in the ensuring coverup at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administration.  Then there is the corrupt judiciary.

However ... it only takes one to get a conscience ... it only takes one to bow and turn his/her life over to God and ... reveal all and ... seek forgiveness from Natalee's family for the H--- on Earth that they have been put through.  Windy ... on that day ... in God's perfect timing ... the truth will be exposed and ... Natalee Holloway will rightly receive a measure of the justice she has been denied and ... the truth also implies that her parents will receive a measure of closure ... a measure of closure that will allow them to move on.
 
Janet

++++++++++++++++++++


Art Wood
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 2, 2005

WOOD: ..... The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee's disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they're going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

[igsigs]

Excellent momemtum here with the KLPD and ALE working together - on big cases - and making arrests.

Bad news for Lorenzo and Luis ... good news for all else. 'Cept J2k.  IMO

[klaasend]

Excellent momemtum here with the KLPD and ALE working together - on big cases - and making arrests.

Bad news for Lorenzo and Luis ... good news for all else. 'Cept J2k.  IMO

Igsigs - I agree Wonder if Chamaly is one of those detained?  Doesn't Chamaly own Arubatoday and Bondia?

[Rob]

And while all the "disconnects" were going on between Joran, Freddy, the Kalpoes, and Paulus notice that Karin prosecutor Jannsen and lead investigator Jan van der Straten did nothing to try to get the truth out of them by hard follow-up questions. Paulus' judge buddies even tried to put the three perps together so they could get their story straight.

Instead, Jannsen witholds pertinent evidence from the court in the form of wiretapped information during Paulus' awards lawsuit, gives him a release from his suspect status, and the judges free all the suspects.

Is it no wonder the Dutch in Aruba look like the most corrupt bastards in the world?

Didn't IgSigs just post that the Dutch investigators had agreed with Beth that plenty of evidence was presented to the judge for holding them but he released them anyway?  From Beth's book?

It just goes in circles.

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Dompig and Jannsen both made comments, Anna, that they thought they had given the judge(s) more than enough evidence to detain the three suspects.

Isn't it ironic that they were both certainly aware of the wiretapped conversation of Paulus van der Sloot saying he picked Natalee and Joran up at 4:00 am, his second of two contacts with the victim? Yet this information, which was in their possession long before the three suspects were released, was deemed as "new information" introduced to the court during the prosecution's appeal of Paulus' damages some year and a half later.

That begs several questions, like why was Jannsen witholding this wiretap information during Paulus' awards lawsuit and why wasn't it presented to the court at that time? Also, why did she give Paulus a letter of release fully knowing she had this information? This also makes you question whether Jannsen had other information that would have led to the detainment of the suspects.

No wonder Karin Jannsen was so hushhush throughout the investigation under their so-called "super secretive" Dutch system that we have learned leaks like a rusted bucket but only when they want it to. She would have had a very hard time explaining her actions.

She was buddies with Paulus
Jan van der Straaten was buddies with Paulus
Arlene Ellis-Shipper was buddies with Paulus


fish stinks at the head

she had an affair with Paulus...

Want a source?

[klaasend]

Rob - do you have a reliable source that KJ had an affair with PVDS?

[San]

And while all the "disconnects" were going on between Joran, Freddy, the Kalpoes, and Paulus notice that Karin prosecutor Jannsen and lead investigator Jan van der Straten did nothing to try to get the truth out of them by hard follow-up questions. Paulus' judge buddies even tried to put the three perps together so they could get their story straight.

Instead, Jannsen witholds pertinent evidence from the court in the form of wiretapped information during Paulus' awards lawsuit, gives him a release from his suspect status, and the judges free all the suspects.

Is it no wonder the Dutch in Aruba look like the most corrupt bastards in the world?

Didn't IgSigs just post that the Dutch investigators had agreed with Beth that plenty of evidence was presented to the judge for holding them but he released them anyway?  From Beth's book?

It just goes in circles.

.

Dompig and Jannsen both made comments, Anna, that they thought they had given the judge(s) more than enough evidence to detain the three suspects.

Isn't it ironic that they were both certainly aware of the wiretapped conversation of Paulus van der Sloot saying he picked Natalee and Joran up at 4:00 am, his second of two contacts with the victim? Yet this information, which was in their possession long before the three suspects were released, was deemed as "new information" introduced to the court during the prosecution's appeal of Paulus' damages some year and a half later.

That begs several questions, like why was Jannsen witholding this wiretap information during Paulus' awards lawsuit and why wasn't it presented to the court at that time? Also, why did she give Paulus a letter of release fully knowing she had this information? This also makes you question whether Jannsen had other information that would have led to the detainment of the suspects.

No wonder Karin Jannsen was so hushhush throughout the investigation under their so-called "super secretive" Dutch system that we have learned leaks like a rusted bucket but only when they want it to. She would have had a very hard time explaining her actions.

She was buddies with Paulus
Jan van der Straaten was buddies with Paulus
Arlene Ellis-Shipper was buddies with Paulus


fish stinks at the head

she had an affair with Paulus...

Want a source?

Yes please.

[Dayhiker]

she had an affair with Paulus...

Want a source?

I'm game. Shoot!

[Tamikosmom]

she had an affair with Paulus...

Want a source?

Why?   

[Rob]

Rob - do you have a reliable source that KJ had an affair with PVDS?

TJ Ward.

[klaasend]

Rob - do you have a reliable source that KJ had an affair with PVDS?

TJ Ward.

Did TJ Ward state it as fact or as rumor on the island?

[Dayhiker]

she had an affair with Paulus...

Want a source?
[/quote]


Give us a hint. Was this when he was a sorry fat pig before Natalee went missing, or when he became an even sorrier fat pig afterwards?

[igsigs]

Wonder if Chamaly is one of those detained?  Doesn't Chamaly own Arubatoday and Bondia?

I believe he does. So we have an initial match? I am gonna hafta read back...

[Rob]

I remind everyone here TJ was in the FBI for 25 years. The person that gave him the informants (4) is the same person missing in Kish Iran and worked Natalee's case until they were shut out on Aruba. This person tracked a killer to Kish responsible for the murder of an Iranian dissident in Maryland... look it up if you don't believe me. It won't be hard to prove I am telling the truth.

FACT

[klaasend]

Rob - do you have a reliable source that KJ had an affair with PVDS?

TJ Ward.

Rob - 

From Heli at RU:

Heli Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:18 pm   

Here's a newsflash from MonKKKeydom:

Paul van der Sloot had an affair with Arlene Ellis-Schipper.

Rob says he has a source   

[Rob]

Rob - do you have a reliable source that KJ had an affair with PVDS?

TJ Ward.

Did TJ Ward state it as fact or as rumor on the island?

FACT

[klaasend]

Wonder if Chamaly is one of those detained?  Doesn't Chamaly own Arubatoday and Bondia?

I believe he does. So we have an initial match? I am gonna hafta read back...

H.R.M.O. (41 aña) - I'm wondering if this is an Oduber 
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña)
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña) (but the myspace says he's 34)

[windy city]

Windy City - in case you are interrested, please check this link 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2051.msg282795#msg282795

I like it!  Do I need to do anything to set it up? 

Thanks!

[Rob]

Rob - do you have a reliable source that KJ had an affair with PVDS?

TJ Ward.

Rob - 

From Heli at RU:

Heli Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:18 pm   

Here's a newsflash from MonKKKeydom:

Paul van der Sloot had an affair with Arlene Ellis-Schipper.

Rob says he has a source   

SINCE WE'RE TALKIN' BIMBOS HERE - I SAID JANSEN

[Tamikosmom]

I remind everyone here TJ was in the FBI for 25 years. The person that gave him the informants (4) is the same person missing in Kish Iran and worked Natalee's case until they were shut out on Aruba. This person tracked a killer to Kish responsible for the murder of an Iranian dissident in Maryland... look it up if you don't believe me. It won't be hard to prove I am telling the truth.

FACT

Rob ... I realize that this rumor has been circulating Natalee forums since very early on in the investigation.  I have googled and googled and googled (sounds obscene) but ... have been unable to come up with any credible backup and ... nobody else has been able to provide me with any backup.  However ... today you put a name to the source of the rumor.  I would appreciate if you could provide a link to the words conveyed by TJ Ward in regards to an alleged affair between Paulus and Karin Janssen.

Rob ... if this is true ... as Beth Holloway Twitty would say ... "Greta this is huge".

Janet