Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[Destiny]

BTW, sorry to be a pest...does anyone have the initials and ages of the BB8  (big bust ? If you can post them for me, I can refer to them while we talk...if, I can get in touch with him, and he talks about it with me.

TIA!!!!
Dest

[klaasend]

BTW, sorry to be a pest...does anyone have the initials and ages of the BB8  (big bust ? If you can post them for me, I can refer to them while we talk...if, I can get in touch with him, and he talks about it with me.

TIA!!!!
Dest

Sorry, just got from the store,lol 

Here are the initials.

H.R.M.O. (41 aña)
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña) Luis Mansur
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña)

[MumInOhio]

BTW, sorry to be a pest...does anyone have the initials and ages of the BB8  (big bust ? If you can post them for me, I can refer to them while we talk...if, I can get in touch with him, and he talks about it with me.

TIA!!!!
Dest

Destiny... Ms Marple has them listed in the murder and crime thread in the index page, think under important documents.

[shadow]

Wonder if Chamaly is one of those detained?  Doesn't Chamaly own Arubatoday and Bondia?

I believe he does. So we have an initial match? I am gonna hafta read back...

H.R.M.O. (41 aña) - I'm wondering if this is an Oduber 
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña)
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña) (but the myspace says he's 34)

These guys from SA are always a couple of years older than they say.  Just ask reps from the Little League World Series.   

Here are the 8 initials Destiny . . .

[Destiny]

BTW, sorry to be a pest...does anyone have the initials and ages of the BB8  (big bust ? If you can post them for me, I can refer to them while we talk...if, I can get in touch with him, and he talks about it with me.

TIA!!!!
Dest

Sorry, just got from the store,lol 

Here are the initials.

H.R.M.O. (41 aña)
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña) Luis Mansur
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña)

Thank You!....will try calling in about 5 mins....anything else I should try for?

Dest

[klaasend]

BTW, sorry to be a pest...does anyone have the initials and ages of the BB8  (big bust ? If you can post them for me, I can refer to them while we talk...if, I can get in touch with him, and he talks about it with me.

TIA!!!!
Dest

Sorry, just got from the store,lol 

Here are the initials.

H.R.M.O. (41 aña)
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña) Luis Mansur
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña)

Thank You!....will try calling in about 5 mins....anything else I should try for?

Dest

Sure, ask if there are going to be more arrests.  THANKS!

[Destiny]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

[Destiny]

BTW, sorry to be a pest...does anyone have the initials and ages of the BB8  (big bust ? If you can post them for me, I can refer to them while we talk...if, I can get in touch with him, and he talks about it with me.

TIA!!!!
Dest

Sorry, just got from the store,lol 

Here are the initials.

H.R.M.O. (41 aña)
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña) Luis Mansur
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña)

Thank You!....will try calling in about 5 mins....anything else I should try for?

Dest

Sure, ask if there are going to be more arrests.  THANKS!

Got that at the top of my list KLAAS!

Dest

[klaasend]

Thanks Dest!

[Tamikosmom]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

Destiny

I am lost ... story of my life.   

Who is "he"?

Thanks

Janet

[klaasend]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

Destiny

I am lost ... story of my life.   

Who is "he"?

Thanks

Janet

She's contacted a someone in Aruba a couple times now that seems to be very "helpful".

[Destiny]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

Destiny

I am lost ... story of my life.   

Who is "he"?

Thanks

Janet

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

Destiny

I am lost ... story of my life.   

Who is "he"?

Thanks

Janet

Sorry Janet...no can tell...it's really true, sorry I can't, KLAAS knows who it is...but I can't tell. She's the ONLY one I told.

Dest

[Observer]

Mr. Jossie Mansur the owner of the Diario has been making a fuzz regarding the Holloway case in Aruba. All this to distract attention on some issues of his own family members. Yesterday in the morning hours one of his brothers, to mentioned Luis Mansur has been arrested by local and Dutch authorities regarding money laundry and drug trafficking. The local police force has been assisted by the Dutch Special Units (Korps Landelijke Diensten)and Special Drug Squads out of Curacao. The brohter of Jossie Mansur is now being detained in the police station in San Nicolas and his wife is being held in the police station in Sta Cruz. Jossie Mansur's brother was caught with over one million in cash at his house during the police raid. Two other arrested during this raid was believed to be the relatives of the Ochoa's. Ochoa's was the second largest drug smuggler out of Colombia in the 80's and 90's and are well known to be good friends of the Mansur's in Aruba specially Jossie and his brother Luis. Now everybody can understand the reasons why Jossie Mansur was spitting so much carbage on the local police force and the Aruban government in particular. See for yourself some of the facts regarding Jossie Mansurs relatives and close families:

"More and more the name Mansur turns up in money laundering cases. Alex and Eric Mansur were indicted in Puerto Rico in August 1994. (77) President Clinton specifically mentioned the Mansur's when he put Aruba on the list of Major Illicit Drug-transit Countries in December 1996. Although no member of the family was actually indicted in the La Costa case, the name Mansur is frequently is found in the files which were seized at Habibe's home on Aruba".

"The activities of Mansur and Lopesierra, however, go well beyond this. They are accused of illegally funding the presidential campaign of Colombian president Ernesto Samper in 1994. Not only did Samper allegedly receive 6 million dollars from the Cali Cartel – an accusation he vehemently denies and ascribes to political machinations – it is said he also pocketed US$ 500,000 in cash offered by "a group from Philip Morris and Interbank”." (79)

The Mansur Family seems to have all the right connections in its corner of the Caribbean. Some Mansur's still have Venezuelan nationality, and they have interests in Maracaibo and Caracas, as well as in Punto Fijo and Coro, where the originally Lebanese Mansur Family had settled before moving to Aruba. Punto Fijo is situated on the Paraguaná peninsula in the North at the Golfo de Venezuela, which separates it from La Guajira.

Posted by: carlos | Tuesday, September 25, 2007 at 09:05 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/09/richardsons-big.html

[MuffyBee]

Thank you for your efforts Destiny.

[Tamikosmom]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

Destiny

I am lost ... story of my life.   

Who is "he"?

Thanks

Janet

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

Destiny

I am lost ... story of my life.   

Who is "he"?

Thanks

Janet

Sorry Janet...no can tell...it's really true, sorry I can't, KLAAS knows who it is...but I can't tell. She's the ONLY one I told.

Dest

Destiny ... I thought I had missed something.

Curiosity is killing me but ... I understand ... I guess.

Why is Klaas so darn special? 

 

Janet

[klaasend]

Janet - here is Destiny's old post after her first phone call: 

I called a contact in Aruba...that's all I can say...not trying to be snotty...just smart

Here is what I found out today...don't know if it's old news or not...I just write down our conversations.

Destiny

 Hello Klaas,

Very interesting conversation with XXXXXXX at the XXXXXXXXXX today.  We covered a lot of ground, so I'll try to put in the best order that I can based on copious notes I took during our conversation.

First I told him who I was, he said he remembered me and that it was good to hear my voice again. I thanked him profusely for all his kind help last week, and Thanked him for being so friendly with me.

He said "Yes I remember you called about Lorenzo, so that topic is what we talked about for awhile.  I brought up again the trial status of Lorenzo again, he said that Lorenzo would not have a trial.  He tried to explain the Aruban Justice System to me....he really likes to talk, He said that Lorenzo had a private mediation with a Judge from Holland, and that the only way that Lorenzo would be brought back in for trial is that after 60 days from his release on July 25th, if a Jury requested a trial, that then Lorenzo would be brought back in to be seen by a panel of 3 Judges to determine if that should happen.  But, he also said"THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN"  and that Lorenzo had been released on time already served...18 days was the time he mentioned...so it seems that Lorenzo is scott free on the drug bust.

I did ask him if Paulus or anyone from that office was Lorenzo's Lawyer, he said no, he thought it was a Lawyer from Holland.

I then felt brave enough to bring up Joran...he immediately said "oh the Natallee case I asked him if he knew if Joran had come to Aruba during vacation, he said no Joran is in Holland for school, but then he threw in that he had heard that Joran had made a short trip to Florida for an interview, he didn't know whom with, nor what for, but from there went back to Holland.

He did tell me that Mama and Papa Sloot are on Aruba right now, and that Papa is getting to work on his new Lawyer practice.

He also told me that approx. 8 weeks ago a team of FBI Agents arrived in Aruba and questioned a lot of Police and Officials,  regarding the Nat case..and the FBI also questions some ppl from a newspapers didn't ask what paper nor who was questioned.

If he doesn't volunteer, I try not to appear too nosey.

I did ask about the KLPD investigators from Holland...he said they have all gone home now. none on the island...I asked him if the case was closed, he said no it was not...I asked him his feelings about the Nat case...his answer was that he had a *strange* feeling about the case, in fact he said this 2 times....then he went on about how Aruba is such a small island, that something should have been found, and how hard everyone worked in the beginning with the search efforts.

He also said Nancy Grace turned a lot of the locals off with how she presented Aruba....he brought this up out of the blue.

He sail the case is still very much open and is basically being handled by the KLPD in Holland and the FBI.  And, that he enjoyed talking  with me, and I could call him anytime with questions.

That's what I have for now...

Destiny...please excuse my spelling, am tired today.

[Hotshot]

Okay, here comes a question...lol....if Astrid's house is on that main road and Lorenzo's appears to be farther away....how cna they both be Savaneta addresses?  Maybe I  am confused as to location by looking at google earth. Anyone?

Well Arubas "addressing" is something to be desired, LOL.  They skip numbers, skip roads, its just plain ole wierd.  It's the reason I couldn't find Lorenzos house.  BTW, the funky painted house is NOT Lorenzos, it is a house where paintball is played at.  So back to this Astrid house thing.  Did I miss something?  I have been away for a few days. Is there somewhere I can see this area being built?  And why was it in the news?  HELP

[klaasend]

Okay, here comes a question...lol....if Astrid's house is on that main road and Lorenzo's appears to be farther away....how cna they both be Savaneta addresses?  Maybe I  am confused as to location by looking at google earth. Anyone?

Well Arubas "addressing" is something to be desired, LOL.  They skip numbers, skip roads, its just plain ole wierd.  It's the reason I couldn't find Lorenzos house.  BTW, the funky painted house is NOT Lorenzos, it is a house where paintball is played at.  So back to this Astrid house thing.  Did I miss something?  I have been away for a few days. Is there somewhere I can see this area being built?  And why was it in the news?  HELP

Astrid's house is now called CLUB ARIAS - Private VIP parties, etc:

http://www.clubarias.com/contact.html

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - here is Destiny's old post after her first phone call: 

I called a contact in Aruba......that's all I can say...not trying to be snotty...just smart

Here is what I found out today...don't know if it's old news or not...I just write down our conversations.

Destiny

 Hello Klaas,

Very interesting conversation with XXXXXXX at the XXXXXXXXXX today.  We covered a lot of ground, so I'll try to put in the best order that I can based on copious notes I took during our conversation.

First I told him who I was, he said he remembered me and that it was good to hear my voice again. I thanked him profusely for all his kind help last week, and Thanked him for being so friendly with me.

He said "Yes I remember you called about Lorenzo, so that topic is what we talked about for awhile.  I brought up again the trial status of Lorenzo again, he said that Lorenzo would not have a trial.  He tried to explain the Aruban Justice System to me....he really likes to talk, He said that Lorenzo had a private mediation with a Judge from Holland, and that the only way that Lorenzo would be brought back in for trial is that after 60 days from his release on July 25th, if a Jury requested a trial, that then Lorenzo would be brought back in to be seen by a panel of 3 Judges to determine if that should happen.  But, he also said"THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN"  and that Lorenzo had been released on time already served...18 days was the time he mentioned...so it seems that Lorenzo is scott free on the drug bust.

I did ask him if Paulus or anyone from that office was Lorenzo's Lawyer, he said no, he thought it was a Lawyer from Holland.

I then felt brave enough to bring up Joran...he immediately said "oh the Natallee case I asked him if he knew if Joran had come to Aruba during vacation, he said no Joran is in Holland for school, but then he threw in that he had heard that Joran had made a short trip to Florida for an interview, he didn't know whom with, nor what for, but from there went back to Holland.

He did tell me that Mama and Papa Sloot are on Aruba right now, and that Papa is getting to work on his new Lawyer practice.

He also told me that approx. 8 weeks ago a team of FBI Agents arrived in Aruba and questioned a lot of Police and Officials,  regarding the Nat case..and the FBI also questions some ppl from a newspapers didn't ask what paper nor who was questioned.

If he doesn't volunteer, I try not to appear too nosey.

I did ask about the KLPD investigators from Holland...he said they have all gone home now. none on the island...I asked him if the case was closed, he said no it was not...I asked him his feelings about the Nat case...his answer was that he had a *strange* feeling about the case, in fact he said this 2 times....then he went on about how Aruba is such a small island, that something should have been found, and how hard everyone worked in the beginning with the search efforts.

He also said Nancy Grace turned a lot of the locals off with how she presented Aruba....he brought this up out of the blue.

He sail the case is still very much open and is basically being handled by the KLPD in Holland and the FBI.  And, that he enjoyed talking  with me, and I could call him anytime with questions.

That's what I have for now...

Destiny...please excuse my spelling, am tired today.

Thanks Klaas.  Thanks Destiny.

Janet

[igsigs]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

Ask him about the KLPD and ALE working together. First the big Lorenzo bust...then this. Has this type of working relationship between these two organizations been common, or is this something new? The relationship has resulted in agressive action and arrests in these two cases, could the same be expected in the NH case? NH case rumors...whispers...anything.  TIA!