Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[SunnyinTX]

Hi Monkeys!  Been lurking and reading as usual.  Just seeing the book is out at some Walmarts, so much for not going out again today!  Now, I gotta go run off to my local Walmart.

  Fingers crossed here, that it's there!

Hi Dihannah!  Good Luck!  I hope you find it!!

[Rob]

are you aware they are deeply involved in the manufacturing of heroin? This is part of the reason everyone is starving there. They have used all of the land that is used for farming for heroin.

I saw a special on Nova about this. I believe it was called 'Children of a Secret State' and it went into the entire criminal empire known as North Korea.

All I knew was that North Korea was know to be very involved in drug trafficking*Heroin)and money laundering..What better place than Aruba to meet up with the various Mobs and Cartels? North Korea has had sanctions againts them for a long time so they used other methods to support there military aspirations..I also saw that this year in Afghanistan they said it was a record year producing Heroin.. That is most likely N.Korea's main source..

The Aruban Gov't is soo corrupt it doesnt suprise me at all that they may be involved with that country as well as the other cartel's that have been documented..

I wonder if NK uses the Aruba Freezone for any reasons? Pictures of an vessels in the cargo area would be very damning.

*******, believe it or not, NK grows their own poppy and they don't need to import it to export it.

[Rob]

Pyonyong to Oranjestad 7583.11 nautical miles.

and a funny fact from Google Earth. There is a hotel under construction in Pyonyong since 1987. LOL Still not completed.

[San]

Rob - makes sense to me now

yes it was something no one could figure out. Now it all makes sense.

When we all saw the reluctance on the part of the US Gov't we all wondered why. I believe we all know now.

Cuba is the other alleged participant in this scheme. As we all know, a lot of Cubans send American Dollars home.

Is this what 'would shock the world"?

Aruba laundering money for North Korea?

In my opinion, the 'Shock the World' comment does not have to do with this... I believe that has something to do with Paulus, but I have no way of knowing fer sure.

I agree it's about Paulus.

[Observer]

I have to disagree with Paulus being so important that our government would be covering for him, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

Paulus had an advantage being that he had relations with the prosecutor's office and the police and that was enough.

He may have threatened others before they realized that nobody cares what this liar says. He has no power, but he did succeed in making others complicit but only because this is SOP for Aruba.

the prosecutors office became the defender's office.

He's a nobody

I believe this guy thinks he is alot smarter and more powerfull than he really is..He know's dutch law as well as anyone and had all the right connections..He had the right contacts early in the case with Van Der Straaten,Prosecuters Office and a couple people in the Govt..Probably Rudy Croes.. They weren't just covering up the Murder of NH but all those that helped out PVDS..Look how Aruba has handled other criminal activities by officials,dissapearances of other tourists and sexual abuse towards women..If the Aruban official's could do it all over again I am sure they would have stopped the coverup early and Paul,Joran,Van Der Straaten and whoever else would of gone down. I just don't see how the Coverup could not involve someone like Rudy Croes and I think he would do whatever it takes to complete his turn in office and retire in luxury and not in a prison.  Oduber probably Ok'd the funding of these Mis-Inforamtion groups against Natalee and her Family and made other important decision's to hide the truth.

The Aruban Govt made the decision to cover everything up and save there tourism and world humiliation probably around the time of the confession.. Would not suprise me at all that PVDS would threaten not only bring down everyone in coverup but also other criminal activities that he has extensive knowledge of..If Rudy Croes is involved wouldn't that explain a great deal?

Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with Peter de Vries that they had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information

[Frank]

If Paulus could leave he would, the question is why is he still in Aruba?

[wreck]

THANK-YOU, ROB!!!!!!!
The scenario I've been ranting about for a long time seems to be true (that this case had external implications involving the U.S. State Department, The Netherlands, South America, etc.)!!!! I just never knew just what the "Big Deal" concened. I never suspected North Korea and the nuke issues to be the gist of it!
 I'll re-hash my theory one more time:

Basically, the Natalee case HAS been solved. The Dutch know, the U.S. Govenment knows. Why haven't they told us?? Because, this whole larger (much bigger and more important ) matter must remain semi-dormant until the ENTIRE corrupt Aruban government is brought down.

I still think (entirely my own opinion) that Beth and Dave have been appraised of this.

Justice IS coming  -- just not as soon as we all wish. 

[San]

If Paulus could leave he would, the question is why is he still in Aruba?

I have always found it strange why he has never left Aruba and the only reason I can think of is Paulus is keeping his eye on certain people.  Especially his partner at his law firm Antonio Carlo.

[Rob]

THANK-YOU, ROB!!!!!!!
The scenario I've been ranting about for a long time seems to be true (that this case had external implications involving the U.S. State Department, The Netherlands, South America, etc.)!!!! I just never knew just what the "Big Deal" concened. I never suspected North Korea and the nuke issues to be the gist of it!
 I'll re-hash my theory one more time:

Basically, the Natalee case HAS been solved. The Dutch know, the U.S. Govenment knows. Why haven't they told us?? Because, this whole larger (much bigger and more important ) matter must remain semi-dormant until the ENTIRE corrupt Aruban government is brought down.

I still think (entirely my own opinion) that Beth and Dave have been appraised of this.

Justice IS coming  -- just not as soon as we all wish. 

I never suspected NK either Wreck. It came as a surprise.  But connecting the dots here is not hard when you factor in they counterfeit to support their oligarchy. This is bigger than the cartels, the mafia, porn, gambling, and all other other stuff Aruba is know for. It's huge imo.

They could know.

[Blue Moon]

If Paulus could leave he would, the question is why is he still in Aruba?

Doesn't make much sense he is staying except he is guarding something?

[Observer]

Monday, June 27, 2005

Croes had said the detention of Paul van der Sloot — whose son Joran changed the story he told police about the night of Natalee's disappearance — could be key to solving the case.
Croes said Joran and the two other jailed suspects were surveilled electronically after being released following an initial round of questioning. He implied that information picked up by such surveillance led to their second detention.
"That's why, after a certain moment, they were seized," said Croes.

In an anecdote that illustrated the insular world of Aruba, Justice Minister Croes said Paul van der Sloot had recently visited him in his office after failing to become a judge, apparently seeking a position in Croes' department. Van der Sloot had also taught the justice minister's daughter.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160699,00.html
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What Surveillance Information are they talking about?

[San]

If Paulus could leave he would, the question is why is he still in Aruba?

Doesn't make much sense he is staying except he is guarding something?

At the Sloot dump.

[Rob]

I suspect Paulus and his clan are out of Aruba the second the case is closed.

[msmarple]

Wanted to mention that I sent a message to "the usual suspects" in the Atlanta area re. a Monkey & Friends get-together in conjunction with Beth's book signing.

She will be at the Barnes & Noble in Buckhead at 7:00 p.m. Thursday Oct. 4.

If I don't have your email addy and you want to try to join us, ask klaas for my email addy and send me a message. I'll send info back to you.

klaas has a thread on other stops on the tour ... I don't see another in our general vicinity until 10/22 in Birmingham.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1177.0

[sharon]

Peaches, I hope you are feeling better.

Sharon, maybe this is the 'shock the world' comment.  . . . it is pretty shocking.

It's pretty shocking to me, Rob.

And from the little 'snippets' we're reading (thanks, by the way ) -- they were aware of the N Korea connection early on. If they knew about this connection prior to Jug's comment -- it would be a real possibility.

I've always wondered about that comment of Jug's.

[Observer]

Is Aruba's Government Covering Up Again
 
EAST GREENWICH, RI / PR FREE / Jul 01 2005 -- 
Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba even against the people that he did favors for and those he received favors from (the Dutch judicial officials).

The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this? Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).

Mathew was isolated for two years and eight months to ensure that the truth would not surface. The Arubian press and the minister of justice, Rudy Croes played a large roll in the defamation of his character to justify his isolation. Now that the truth has surfaced, certain politicians and senators have raised concern that this corruption will repeat itself in the Holloway case and justice will not be served. The minister of justice Rudy Croes is attacking Alexander Mathew, the politicians and the senators in the local newspapers based upon lies. The minister of justice is even accusing Mathew of owning the website "to hell with Aruba. Com," this is a false accusation that is being supported by the Arubian newspaper "Bon Dia Aruba."

Mathew states that the government and the prosecution department is corrupt and is harming the Holloway family and the entire Arubian population. If the Holloway case had been investigated appropriately from the beginning it would have been resolved by now and Aruba would not still be suffering.

[Kermit]

There is no link in the old thread to connect it to this one.   

  Thanks, I added it now

Klassend,

Walmart has vendors come in Tuesday to set up new book displays. So, check Tuesday at your Wal Mart.

My Walmart had two vendors rifling thru the Christian book section and a bunch of boxes sitting in the aisle (imagine that).  I didn't see the book and heaven knows I looked. 

So you think it will be there tomorrow?

The store mgr gave me the information. He says Tuesday the vendors come in and set it up.

Borders does not have it, they show the release date on their computers as now until Oct.

Walmart has it available online and you can ship it overnight.

[Rob]

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[Tamikosmom]

I have to disagree with Paulus being so important that our government would be covering for him, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.

Paulus had an advantage being that he had relations with the prosecutor's office and the police and that was enough.

He may have threatened others before they realized that nobody cares what this liar says. He has no power, but he did succeed in making others complicit but only because this is SOP for Aruba.

the prosecutors office became the defender's office.

He's a nobody

Hi Frank

The Island of Aruba did not anticipate the strength and determination of a mother by the name of Beth Holloway Twitty. By the time that Aruba realized that this amazing woman was not about to be silenced until her quest for answers regarding her precious daughter were answered ... it was too late to turn back.  It was no longer about protecting Paulus and Joran in regards to their role in the events that encompass that fateful morning ... it was now about protecting those at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were involved in the coverup  ... it was about the sons of the elite ... it was about the judiciary ... it was about the implications of exposing Aruba's dirty little secrets ... organized crime in regards drugs ... gambling ... prostitution ... pornography ... money laundering.

As Natalee’s father acknowledges … if it had not been for the media … the investigation into the disappearance of his precious daughter would have been a distance memory long ago.  I hope that Dave Holloway has given Natalee's mother credit where credit is due.

Janet

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Dave Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
April 11, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: Did the media help or hurt you?

HOLLOWAY: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

[Observer]

Paul van der Sloot will now work as a lawyer

ORANJESTAD – Last week, Mr. Paul van der Sloot attended court for a meeting. This was related to the fact that his contract with the government for his function as judge expired and the Court had to know what Mr. Paul van der Sloot was going to do. The options weren’t many. Either he left Aruba and establish himself back in Holland or he stayed in Aruba but had to look for another function.

WORK AS A LAWYER

A Bon Dia investigation demonstrates that Mr. Paul van der Sloot chose to stay in Aruba and that he wants to continue working as a lawyer given that he did not completely achieve his judgeship studies. There is a rumour circulating that Mr. Paul van der Sloot will work in the office of Mr. Carlo. Bon Dia Aruba called Mr. Carlo’s office for more information, but he couldn’t be located.

CASE AGAINST PUBLIC PROSECUTOR

Paul van der Sloot asked the judge to be registered as a lawyer. When making such a petition, the judge asks the Attorney General (AG) of Aruba if they have something against the person being registered as an attorney. The AG bases her advice on data from the “Justitiele Documentatiedienst” (justice documentation service).
It is in the “Justitiele Documentatiedienst” that judge decisions in penal cases (sentence) and prosecutor decisions (sepot? Or conditional sepot?) are registered. The Justitiele Documentatiedienst then gives a so called conduct declaration.

In the case of Mr. Paul van der Sloot, there is a case registered in the Justitiele Documentatiedienst. As it is known, in June 2005, Mr. Van der Sloot was detained but there is still no decision from the prosecutor nor from the judge. This made it such that a good conduct document could not be given.

On this basis, Mr. Paul van der Sloot decided to start a case against the Public Prosecutor. Bon Dia’s investigation shows that Mr. Van der Sloot made a petition to the court for this case and it was determined that this case will take place on January 11 at 2 in the afternoon.

CASE WILL NOT CONTINUE

However, yesterday the Public Prosecutor notified Mr. Van der Sloot for him to drop by their office and come get his good conduct document. This was based on the last case that Mr. Van der Sloot brought for damages and prejudice.

A couple of weeks back, van der Sloot started a case where he asked for damages and prejudice for his arrest and the days that he was imprisoned. During the treatment of the case Mr. Van der Sloot ’s attorney, Mr. Swaen, showed the judge a letter from the prosecutor that dealt with the case of van der Sloot where the prosecutor said that Mr. Paul van der Sloot could not obtain any case documents because he was no longer a suspect.

On the basis of this letter, the attorney told the judge that the prosecutor let it be known that the case against van der Sloot was over. The judge said in his decision that he is in agreement with the attorney.

Given that the prosecutor herself said that Mr. Van der Sloot is no longer a suspect, which according to the judge can be looked at as the prosecutor saying that the case is over, since the prosecutor will no longer pursue the case. This signifies that Paul van der Sloot will soon start working as a lawyer in Aruba and the case he brought forth against the Public Prosecutor will not go forward since he obtained his good conduct document, which is the document he was missing to be registered as a lawyer.