Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[Observer]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

Ask him about the KLPD and ALE working together. First the big Lorenzo bust...then this. Has this type of working relationship between these two organizations been common, or is this something new? The relationship has resulted in agressive action and arrests in these two cases, could the same be expected in the NH case? NH case rumors...whispers...anything.  TIA!

What was the outcome of the Interrogations of Dompig and Richardson by Paul Van Der Sloot in the fraudulent license case?

[Hotshot]

I'll say, yes thats it for sure


Thiese ones will show a better view
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/kath8700/astridhouseww.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/kath8700/astridshouse.jpg

[klaasend]

Hotshot - be sure to watch all the videos at the Club Arias site:

http://www.clubarias.com/contact.html

[dennisintn]

sounds to me like lorenzo got out with less time and money lost than the cost to the newspapers for covering the story.  but then, we don't understand the aruban perception of dutch law.
dennisintn

[sb]

So if Jossy and Luis Mansur own property togther and filed this suit together, I wonder if Jossy will be implicated in any of this latest spat of arrests?  So far, AFAIK, he has steered clear of any of the family shady dealings.  I sure hope he is not involved in any way as he does seem like such a nice person.

Anna, this very type of eventuality has had me worried for a LONG time. The Dutch teaming up with the ALE to go after the Mansur family is NOT good news for the case. It makes Jossy flat-out LOOK BAD, for one thing, and raises the specter that we have been allowing a potential Trojan Horse in our midst by granting Jossy status as our chief ally on the island at this time. Jossy's bonafides have always been a HUGE question mark for me. What does he gain from championing Natalee's cause? What are the REAL MOTIVES he has for doing it? Hmmm.

I am also pondering if this is not a strike against the Mansur family BECAUSE of support for Natalee. If the Dutch are in on something like that, forget about the KLPD as the heroes who will save the day. I have said since Day One, Hour One that the Dutch are where the corruption STARTS, not where it ENDS. Sorry robots but I have never bought it. I don't ever bet anything but I would never have risked the farm on the Dutch as the white knights in shining armor.

I also read Rob's ideas on Page One. I think it is safe to say that we have our hands full with Aruba in ways we may not ever understand.

[Blue Moon]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

See if you can find out who the Lawyer was that was involved in this bust.  Thanks.

[Nut44x4]

I'll say, yes thats it for sure


Thiese ones will show a better view
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/kath8700/astridhouseww.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/kath8700/astridshouse.jpg

Could this be the same house???

[Hotshot]

Hotshot - be sure to watch all the videos at the Club Arias site:

http://www.clubarias.com/contact.html

Thanks Klaas, very interesting to say the "very" least.  That was built very fast.  

[klaasend]

Nut - I believe that is Hiram Vrolijk's home

[sb]

Let me add to my post above: I WANT to believe that we have a valid and  friendly source on the island in Jossy Mansur. I really want to. The past background and the alleged activities of that family give me extreme pause however.

It is telling to me that clinton singled Jossy out as being a key villain in 1996. This has the effect of making me think that Jossy is actually the salt of the earth... sorry Louise Vargas and others.

Jossy seems too friendly with Chavez, however.

You just can't tell the players in this one even WITH a program.

[wreck]

Let me add to my post above: I WANT to believe that we have a valid and  friendly source on the island in Jossy Mansur. I really want to. The past background and the alleged activities of that family give me extreme pause however.

It is telling to me that clinton singled Jossy out as being a key villain in 1996. This has the effect of making me think that Jossy is actually the salt of the earth... sorry Louise Vargas and others.

Jossy seems too friendly with Chavez, however.

You just can't tell the players in this one even WITH a program.

I have never questioned the main motives of Jossy Mansur -- it is to be a thorn in the side of MEP (his arch enemies.) I think he IS on the right side of the Natalee case and HAS helped us to get the word out despite his alterior motives. I thank him for that.
That said, it is a blow for us to have his credibility shattered with all this.

SB -- I still trust the Dutch. Not because they are teaming with ALE, but because they are teaming with our FBI. KLPD HAS to have the cooperation of ALE in this bust. That doesn't mean they can't eventually expose the ALE's corruption as well.

[Nut44x4]

Nut - I believe that is Hiram Vrolijk's home

ahhhhh.....ok ty.

[bleachedblack]

Love Ya Carpe............


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_iLwiB1A4M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDA_XmDQA80

[dennisintn]

[ What does he gain from championing Natalee's cause? What are the REAL MOTIVES he has for doing it? Hmmm.



maybe jossy just actually likes and respects women as human beings worthy of being protected and not abused and killed on a whim.  from what i've seen and heart, a man like that is a real rarity on the happy island.
dennisintn

[Observer]

I still think this look's a bit like Joran..I guess we will never know 








http://www.clubarias.com/mediatwo.html

[Tamikosmom]

I believe that the perception that the Dutch is on the side of justice for Natalee Holloway is a false perception.

I contend that the recent happenings in Aruba involving the Dutch is all about Natalee Holloway.  Think about it ... Jossy Mansur has always been the only real challenge in Aruba to the corrupt investigation that has been denying an eighteen year old American citizen justice.  Aruba attempted to silence this man a while back with an attempted boycott of his publication ... Diario Aruba ... it failed.  To give an air of credibility ... Aruba has now enlisted the support of the Dutch to ensure that there is no voice left on the Island to expose Natalee's truth.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++


BETH TWITTY
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005

TWITTY: Well, you know, I‘ll be forever grateful for Jossy Mansur, who is there. And he has been so instrumental. And he‘s just a hero to all of us. And, you know, he‘s my only hope on the island. And we‘ll be forever grateful to him.


DAVE HOLLOWAY
Dana Pretzer Show
September 8, 2006

HOLLOWAY: Jossy has been very helpful to try to find the truth, the fact he lives in Aruba and publishes a newspaper, they're attacking him because he's looking for-- fighting for-- the truth. That’s what a good journalist does--He's going to go after the people, regardless, and try to find the truth


STEVE HOLLOWAY
Scared Monkey - FP Comments
April 6, 2007

Comment #20 ... I think he is a good man looking for the truth. He will not let them push him around. This is his home and is probably sick of the corruption that happens every day on such a large scale on such a small island.
Comment by Steve Holloway | April 6, 2007, 1:02 pm


JUG TWITTY
Scared Monkey - FPComments
December 5, 2005

Comment #6 ... THANK YOU JOSSY I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT BUT YOU HAVE BEEN THERE FOR US FROM THE BEGENNING AND THE PEOPLE OF ARUBA SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOU.
Comment by JUG TWITTY | December 5, 2006, 10:57 am

[Destiny]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

Ask him about the KLPD and ALE working together. First the big Lorenzo bust...then this. Has this type of working relationship between these two organizations been common, or is this something new? The relationship has resulted in agressive action and arrests in these two cases, could the same be expected in the NH case? NH case rumors...whispers...anything.  TIA!

What was the outcome of the Interrogations of Dompig and Richardson by Paul Van Der Sloot in the fraudulent license case?

OK...wrote that one down....Dest

[Destiny]

I called....he is scheduled to come in @ 11:00pm tonight...I'll call back then, I'm a night person anyway

Dest....think of questions I can try to ask...BBL.

See if you can find out who the Lawyer was that was involved in this bust.  Thanks.

It's on the list...Dest

[Destiny]

sounds to me like lorenzo got out with less time and money lost than the cost to the newspapers for covering the story.  but then, we don't understand the aruban perception of dutch law.
dennisintn

I think Lorenzo got off easy for many reasons...none having to do with Aruban Law

Dest

[igsigs]

The Arias TV pic looks very much like Lorenzo. IMO