Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[Observer]

Apparently he failed as a Lawyer working for Aruba Govt as well as a judge in training. I think it's possible that he was used by some of the darker forces in Aruba when he held these position's of Authority.. I wonder how much dirt he might hold on a person like Rudy Croes?? No proof that PVDS was involved in the Helicopter scandal but I am sure it's a very small part of the corruption he may have been involved in. Would be interesting to find out what contracts PVDS helped the Govt of Aruba with. How many fraudulent and scandalous contracts did PVDS sign his name to?
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New job

In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as a lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers there were not impressed with his stance   „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser.  If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are.  I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Dagblad. 

After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career.  He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university. 
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Rudy Croes Scandal
The minister of Justice signed a contract with a helicopter company from Venezuela on September 13, 2003 in the framework of the fight against crime.

The Audit Chamber immediately pointed out that there is no memo in which the helicopter is justified: “Before taking on contractual obligations one must first review if they fit in the established policy. There must also be a clear view of the project’s specific objectives

The minister’s reason for not conducting a public tendering was the urgent nature of the matter. But according to the law this is not a valid reason. The Audit Chamber also pointed out that the contract doesn’t refer to the confidential nature of the activities. They also couldn’t find any documents showing that the ministry of Justice verified whether or not the leased company complies with certain safety codes.

The contract itself does not meet the approval of the Audit Chamber. The document is drafted in English and doesn’t state where a legal dispute should be argued or which laws would be of effect. The contract doesn’t regulate confidentiality by the Venezuelan personnel, nor liabilities in the event of accidents and insurances in the event of damage. The signature dates on the contracts also seem incorrect. The Audit Chamber also had qualms concerning the calculation of penalty interests for late payments. Nowhere does it state what is considered late payment and when this penalty goes into effect. Even a passage concerning the price increases is criticized by ARA: “This opens the door to future problems”.

http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2006_01.html

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas
Where is that "big fish" story you posted today concerning the arrest of some prominent people or something like that? TIA

[klaasend]

Klaas
Where is that "big fish" story you posted today concerning the arrest of some prominent people or something like that? TIA

I went ahead and put it in the Important Case Doc/Murder & Crime:wink:

[klaasend]

Per Heli & MF at RU - don't know if this is factual or not.  Saying the arrest was of Luis Mansur:

FLASH -- Arrests in Aruba September 24, 2007

Today in Aruba, some 120 police officers from ALE, KLPD, Antillean Arrest Team and Dutch investigators arrested Luis Mansur, brother of Jossy Mansur and 8 other persons in connection with money laundering, drug trafficking, bribery and other charges.

It would seem this was the reason the KLPD was in Aruba for all those
months.


MF wrote:
This was done this morning.
The arrest of L.M. (63) was done earlier and even had problems with the police, because he shot them thinking it might be burglurars, but luckily no one was hurt.

There were other 10 houses searched, lawyer's office, a lot of computers, documents, there were even diggings going on and dogs from the KLPD were used.

These pics are from the above mentioned suspect's house.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/2337/8/
Razzia grandi teni rond di Aruba         
Monday, 24 September 2007 


Aruba a habri dia cu e informe cu “pisca” grandi a wordo gara den e razzia cu funcionarionan di RST (Recherche Samenwerkings Team) a tene den oranan di marduga pa mainta, hunto cu funcionarionan for di Hulanda. E trabou ta asina grandi cu pa 1’or di merdia ainda e funcionarionan ta buscando material na por lo menos dos di e cuater casnan cu a ser invadi den oranan di marduga, na Nuñe y Cashero. Click read more pa e imagenan di e cas cu a wordo invadi na Nuñe 75.

Through translator:

razzia big teni rond of aruba


aruba owing to open day cu the informe cu “pisca” big owing to wordo grab in the razzia cu funcionarionan of rst (recherche samenwerkings team) owing to as in oranan of marduga for morning, together cu funcionarionan for of the netherlands. the work is so big cu for 1’or of afternoon still the funcionarionan is buscando material at at least two of the cuater casnan cu owing to being invadi in oranan of marduga, at nuñe y cashero. click read more for her imagenan of the cas cu owing to wordo invadi at nuñe 75. come across

[igsigs]

Good to see ALE and KLPD working together, making actual arrests. Island clean-up?

Was Renfro ever hired by the Mansurs? Was she arrested in the sweep? 

[klaasend]

Good to see ALE and KLPD working together, making actual arrests. Island clean-up?

Was Renfro ever hired by the Mansurs? Was she arrested in the sweep? 

Not unless she has someone else posting as Glenda right now at RU 

[igsigs]

Good to see ALE and KLPD working together, making actual arrests. Island clean-up?

Was Renfro ever hired by the Mansurs? Was she arrested in the sweep? 

Not unless she has someone else posting as Glenda right now at RU 

Don't make me look.  : )    Seen any Lazlo at RU?

[msmarple]

I don't know if this is about the same "sting" (as the "big fish" article) or not ... maybe "big fish" means "important people/person"?

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/2339/8/   09/24/2007

Accion grandi di polis cu 8 detencion       
Monday, 24 September 2007 

Dialuna 24 di September den oranan tempran di mainta 8 persona a wordo deteni durante di un accion grandi di polis cu a tuma lugar. E personanan aki ta wordo sospecha di participa na un organisacion criminal cu ta dedica su mes na trafico internacional di droga, especialmente di importacion y exportacion di cocaine y heroina. Click read more pa mas di e relato.

Ademas e organisacion criminal aki ta wordo sospecha di extorsion (afpersing), posesion di arma di candela y labamento di placa procedente di hechonan castigabel.

E accion aki ta resultado di un investigacion di Recherche Samenwerkingsteam (RST) Aruba cu tin basta tempo andando y cu a wordo institui bou guia di Ministerio Publico. Un total di 6 persona mas a wordo deteni bao sospecho di ta permanece ilegal riba Aruba.

Durante e accion cu a tuma lugar awe RST a hanja refuerso di un gran cantidad di colega di Cuerpo Policial Arubano y tambe di Cuerpo di Aduana. Expertonan Hulandes ruba tereno financiero y digital tambe a duna nan sosten na e accion aki. Mirando e magnitud di e accion e team di aresto di Aruba a hanja refuerso di coleganan di e team di Curacao. Na momento cu e team di aresto a bai over na detencion di un di e sospechosonan e persona aki a tira cu un arma di candela. Ningun persona a resulta herida. Den cuadro di buscamento di placa y droga scondi a haci uso di cachonan di Korps Landelijke Politiediensten (KLPD) cu ta specialmente entrena pa haci esaki. Un total di 120 agente policial a participa na e accion aki.

Bao guia di huez-comisario 10 listramento di cas y otro lugarnan a tuma lugar y e.o. e siguiente obhetonan a wordo confisca: documentonan financiero y otro documentonan, armanan di candela, droga, placa, y algun vehiculo. Un di e lugarnan cu a wordo listra ta un oficina di un abogado.

E sospechosonan cu a wordo deteni ta:
H.R.M.O. (41 aña)
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña)
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña)

Tur sospechoso a wordo encarcela na wardanan di polis y na e momento aki nan ta wordo interoga. E expectativa ta cu e sospechosonan aki lo wordo hiba dilante huez comisario diahuebs awor 27 di september.

Online Pap translation:

accion big of police cu 8 detencion
monday, 24 september 2007

monday 24 of september in oranan early of morning 8 person owing to wordo deteni during of one accion big of police cu did take lugar. the personanan here is wordo sospecha of participa at one organisacion criminal cu is dedica his self at trafico internacional of drugs, especialmente of importacion y exportacion of cocaine y heroin. click read more for more of the relato.

besides the organisacion criminal here is wordo sospecha of extorsion (afpersing), posesion of arm of candela y labamento of coin procedente of hechonan castigabel. {money laundering}

the accion here is result of one investigacion of recherche samenwerkingsteam (rst) aruba cu have enough time andando y cu owing to wordo institui under guia of ministerio publico. one overall {A total} of 6 person more owing to wordo deteni bao suspicion of is permanece ilegal on aruba.

during the accion cu did take lugar today rst owing to hanja refuerso of one great cantidad of colega of cuerpo policial aruban y also of cuerpo of aduana. expertonan dutch ruba territory financiero y digital also owing to give they sosten at the accion here. mirando the magnitud of the accion the team of aresto of aruba owing to hanja refuerso of coleganan of the team of curacao. at instant cu the team of aresto owing to go over at detencion of one of the sospechosonan the person here owing to throw cu one arm of candela. none person owing to resulta injury. in cuadro of buscamento of coin y drugs scondi owing to haci usage of cachonan of korps landelijke politiediensten (klpd) cu is specialmente entrena for haci this. one overall {A total} of 120 agent policial owing to participa at the accion here.

bao guia of huez-comisario 10 listramento of cas y another lugarnan did take lugar y e.o. the next obhetonan owing to wordo confisca: documentonan financiero y another documentonan, armanan of candela, drugs, coin, y some vehiculo. one of the lugarnan cu owing to wordo listra is one office of one advocate.

the sospechosonan cu owing to wordo deteni ta:
h.r.m.o. (41 aña)
r.r. (45 aña)
l.e.m. (63 aña)
m.v.c. (68 aña)
r.a.b.m. (28 aña)
f.r.a. (50 aña)
m.k.k. (28 aña)
j.a.c. (36 aña)

all sospechoso owing to wordo encarcela at wardanan of police y at the instant here they're wordo interoga. the expectativa is cu the sospechosonan here will wordo take away dilante huez comisario diahuebs now 27 of september.

[klaasend]

Accion grandi di polis cu 8 detencion        
Monday, 24 September 2007 



Dialuna 24 di September den oranan tempran di mainta 8 persona a wordo deteni durante di un accion grandi di polis cu a tuma lugar. E personanan aki ta wordo sospecha di participa na un organisacion criminal cu ta dedica su mes na trafico internacional di droga, especialmente di importacion y exportacion di cocaine y heroina. Click read more pa mas di e relato.

Ademas e organisacion criminal aki ta wordo sospecha di extorsion (afpersing), posesion di arma di candela y labamento di placa procedente di hechonan castigabel.

E accion aki ta resultado di un investigacion di Recherche Samenwerkingsteam (RST) Aruba cu tin basta tempo andando y cu a wordo institui bou guia di Ministerio Publico. Un total di 6 persona mas a wordo deteni bao sospecho di ta permanece ilegal riba Aruba.

Durante e accion cu a tuma lugar awe RST a hanja refuerso di un gran cantidad di colega di Cuerpo Policial Arubano y tambe di Cuerpo di Aduana. Expertonan Hulandes ruba tereno financiero y digital tambe a duna nan sosten na e accion aki. Mirando e magnitud di e accion e team di aresto di Aruba a hanja refuerso di coleganan di e team di Curacao. Na momento cu e team di aresto a bai over na detencion di un di e sospechosonan e persona aki a tira cu un arma di candela. Ningun persona a resulta herida. Den cuadro di buscamento di placa y droga scondi a haci uso di cachonan di Korps Landelijke Politiediensten (KLPD) cu ta specialmente entrena pa haci esaki. Un total di 120 agente policial a participa na e accion aki.

Bao guia di huez-comisario 10 listramento di cas y otro lugarnan a tuma lugar y e.o. e siguiente obhetonan a wordo confisca: documentonan financiero y otro documentonan, armanan di candela, droga, placa, y algun vehiculo. Un di e lugarnan cu a wordo listra ta un oficina di un abogado.

E sospechosonan cu a wordo deteni ta:
H.R.M.O. (41 aña)
R.R. (45 aña)
L.E.M. (63 aña) Luis Mansur?
M.V.C. (68 aña)
R.A.B.M. (28 aña)
F.R.A. (50 aña)
M.K.K. (28 aña)
J.A.C. (36 aña)

Tur sospechoso a wordo encarcela na wardanan di polis y na e momento aki nan ta wordo interoga. E expectativa ta cu e sospechosonan aki lo wordo hiba dilante huez comisario diahuebs awor 27 di september.


Through translator:

accion big of police cu 8 detencion
monday, 24 september 2007

monday 24 of september in oranan early of morning 8 person owing to wordo deteni during of one accion big of police cu did take lugar. the personanan here is wordo sospecha of participa at one organisacion criminal cu is dedica his self at trafico internacional of drugs, especialmente of importacion y exportacion of cocaine y heroin. click read more for more of the relato. besides the organisacion criminal here is wordo sospecha of extorsion (afpersing), posesion of arm of candela y labamento of coin procedente of hechonan castigabel. the accion here is result of one investigacion of recherche samenwerkingsteam (rst) aruba cu have enough time andando y cu owing to wordo institui under guia of ministerio publico. one overall of 6 person more owing to wordo deteni bao suspicion of is permanece ilegal on aruba. during the accion cu did take lugar today rst owing to hanja refuerso of one great cantidad of colega of cuerpo policial aruban y also of cuerpo of aduana. expertonan dutch ruba territory financiero y digital also owing to give they sosten at the accion here. mirando the magnitud of the accion the team of aresto of aruba owing to hanja refuerso of coleganan of the team of curacao. at instant cu the team of aresto owing to go over at detencion of one of the sospechosonan the person here owing to throw cu one arm of candela. none person owing to resulta injury. in cuadro of buscamento of coin y drugs scondi owing to haci usage of cachonan of korps landelijke politiediensten (klpd) cu is specialmente entrena for haci this. one overall of 120 agent policial owing to participa at the accion here. bao guia of huez-comisario 10 listramento of cas y another lugarnan did take lugar y the.o. the next obhetonan owing to wordo confisca: documentonan financiero y another documentonan, armanan of candela, drugs, coin, y some vehiculo. one of the lugarnan cu owing to wordo listra is one office of one advocate.

the sospechosonan cu owing to wordo deteni ta:

h.r.m.o. (41 aña) r.r. (45 aña) l.e.m. (63 aña) m.v.c. (68 aña) r.a.b.m. (28 aña) f.r.a. (50 aña) m.k.k. (28 aña) j.a.c. (36 aña)

all sospechoso owing to wordo encarcela at wardanan of police y at the instant here they're wordo interoga. the expectativa is cu the sospechosonan here will wordo take away dilante huez comisario diahuebs now 27 of september. come across

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/2339/8/

[msmarple]

klaas -     

[klaasend]

klaas -     

Why you laughing at me, lol 

OOPS, lololol...now I see 

[klaasend]

Good to see ALE and KLPD working together, making actual arrests. Island clean-up?

Was Renfro ever hired by the Mansurs? Was she arrested in the sweep? 

Not unless she has someone else posting as Glenda right now at RU 

Don't make me look.  : )    Seen any Lazlo at RU?

Nope nor Victor at Scrux

[igsigs]

Luis Mansur was the only name released? The rest are just initials?

[msmarple]

Luis Mansur was the only name released? The rest are just initials?

No, only initials were released. But somebody (MF?) says LM is Louis Mansur.

[klaasend]

I take that back, Victor did post at Scrux today:

Victor



Joined: 16 Nov 2006
Posts: 24

 Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:01 am    Post subject:   

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polemic wrote:

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So, would we would consider someone of Natalee's profile saying, "I'll just stay here in this nice well-furnished comfortable drug house with very nice people around?" Sure

"we"? "someone of Natalee's profile"? "Sure"?

Quote:
because that's what teen aged high-school males do (going after girls is called the dating process)

 


Sorry but you are wrongly informed, going after girls is not called nor considered the dating process.

Quote:
We can also accurately state that Joran was a gentleman in the European tradition.
Even a casual evaluator can easily tell, he is very urbane and quite sophisticated in the old-world tradition.

Are you kidding?
Joran: "When I was in the car I thought: f*k that b*tch".

So, would we consider someone of polemic's profile posting nonsense? Sure.
 

[msmarple]

Luis Mansur was the only name released? The rest are just initials?

No, only initials were released. But somebody (MF?) says LM is Louis Mansur.

That would be LEM ... MF says he's Jossy's brother, I think.

[Puzzler]

Wow....reading over today's posts re: North Korea, Aruba, cocaine, money laundering...I would say that this is BIG.  It's something that I would have never put together on my own. 

Paulus was involved with government contracts....maybe other contracts as well.  Would the NK connection require any contracts or similiar kind of work?  Work that Paulus would either be involved in or have knowledge of. 

There IS some kind of deep connection that Paulus is involved in....he's just been able to get too much stuff swept under the rug. 
Maybe an involvement in something this big would be a reason why Joran would say that his father is a very big man in Aruba. 

[klaasend]

Luis Mansur was the only name released? The rest are just initials?

LEM - is Luis Mansur according to MF/Heli/Glenda

[msmarple]

Wonder if "MVC" could be a van Cromvoirt?

[klaasend]

Wonder if "MVC" could be a van Cromvoirt?

I don't think JVC's dad would be that old.  Plus, his first name is Wilhem I believe.