Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[wreck]

is charlieirat the same lawyer that "edited" natalee's wikipedia entry and spends all his time running to hard rock concerts?
dennisintn

  whew!!! I misread what you wrote the first time I read it! 

lol, ???? enlighten me.  lol, i didn't mean to shock your system.
dennisintn

...let's just say I got a little dyslexic and switched the first letters of a couple of words

[Dayhiker]

Freddy 6/12 PV

"His father phoned as to where he was, Joran said in the Radisson Casino. He told that after the phone call he was called by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house."

 

So why did Paulus take Beth & Co to the Wyndham and tell them that was where Joran was?
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to get the cops away from the house. He didn't have the Voc / King buffer established just yet.

Paulus was running interference for while they cleaned up their mess. There could have been something left at the house they needed to clean up and, as you say Rob, they had to get the cops away from there. Paulus knew they weren't at the Wyndham, which proves he was in on it from the get-go.

[Anna]

And that Paulus lies.

[windy city]

is charlieirat the same lawyer that "edited" natalee's wikipedia entry and spends all his time running to hard rock concerts?
dennisintn

  whew!!! I misread what you wrote the first time I read it! 

I wouldn't worry too much about chuck.  I mean look at him...no wife, no life and spends his time on a message board obsessing about a victims mother.

He talks tough but is really just a sorry assed loser.  Not at all athletic so probably always the last one picked.  He also most likely received weekly beating from bullies which probably explains some of the bitterness.

Not to mention I despise worthless ambulance chasers and BK attorneys.   

[igsigs]

One thing - Ya know how J2K go to great lengths to describe how *shocked and dismayed* the Kalpoes are when they find out that Joran told Freddy the beach story?

What then was the Kalpoe's reaction to being asked about a beach story on 5/31...after Joran was questioned? No mention of PJ2K reviewing that tidbit during get-yer-story-straight week.

Appears as if they are more worried about Freddy knowing than Jacobs and v/d Straten.

[Rob]

Freddy 6/12 PV

"His father phoned as to where he was, Joran said in the Radisson Casino. He told that after the phone call he was called by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house."

 

So why did Paulus take Beth & Co to the Wyndham and tell them that was where Joran was?
.

to get the cops away from the house. He didn't have the Voc / King buffer established just yet.

Paulus was running interference for while they cleaned up their mess. There could have been something left at the house they needed to clean up and, as you say Rob, they had to get the cops away from there. Paulus knew they weren't at the Wyndham, which proves he was in on it from the get-go.

I suspicion that the first call placed by Paulus late at night and confirmed by van Twan* by Paulus admitting he may have made a few calls that night between 2 am and 7 am was to Voc / King and not to Van Der Straaten.

He only admitted those calls because he knew he was triangulated.

Once Paulus had Voc / King and Van Der Straaten he was a new confidant man. But not until then. The posse had a chance to shake it all loose in the first few hours.

[klaasend]

One thing - Ya know how J2K go to great lengths to describe how *shocked and dismayed* the Kalpoes are when they find out that Joran told Freddy the beach story?

What then was the Kalpoe's reaction to being asked about a beach story on 5/31...after Joran was questioned? No mention of PJ2K reviewing that tidbit during get-yer-story-straight week.

Appears as if they are more worried about Freddy knowing than Jacobs and v/d Straten.

Maybe they were more worried because the beach story was a different lie than what they were given to tell? 

[windy city]

One thing - Ya know how J2K go to great lengths to describe how *shocked and dismayed* the Kalpoes are when they find out that Joran told Freddy the beach story?

What then was the Kalpoe's reaction to being asked about a beach story on 5/31...after Joran was questioned? No mention of PJ2K reviewing that tidbit during get-yer-story-straight week.

Appears as if they are more worried about Freddy knowing than Jacobs and v/d Straten.

igs,

Imo, the K2's were 'all in' with the beach story until they figured out Joran was trying to frame them.  DK was pissed that Joran implicated him as per the back seat recording.  Now we don't know how the sporter got home.

[Anna]

One thing - Ya know how J2K go to great lengths to describe how *shocked and dismayed* the Kalpoes are when they find out that Joran told Freddy the beach story?

What then was the Kalpoe's reaction to being asked about a beach story on 5/31...after Joran was questioned? No mention of PJ2K reviewing that tidbit during get-yer-story-straight week.

Appears as if they are more worried about Freddy knowing than Jacobs and v/d Straten.

Igs,

I think they were too dense to figure out that Paulus and Joran had changed Joran's story to the beach one to hang the Kalpoes out to dry with the old HI story.

They were concerned because they were still telling the HI version and even Freddie knew the new Alibi 2.1 before they did.  I'm not certain they have caught on to that until yet.  If they have, you'd think they would tend to resent that just a little bit.

[Rob]

One thing - Ya know how J2K go to great lengths to describe how *shocked and dismayed* the Kalpoes are when they find out that Joran told Freddy the beach story?

What then was the Kalpoe's reaction to being asked about a beach story on 5/31...after Joran was questioned? No mention of PJ2K reviewing that tidbit during get-yer-story-straight week.

Appears as if they are more worried about Freddy knowing than Jacobs and v/d Straten.

igsigs - maybe because they are not sure *which* version the goon child has told Freddy and they could be left hanging. They don't trust Joran anymore than anyone else. ?????

could they have said 'Freddy needs to tell the truth' because they are worried that Freddy is not telling the real version but Joran's new version before they know it?

[windy city]

klaas,

I saw my halloween costume.  Me likey.  Can you hook me up?

[Rob]

FUNNY WE ALL AGREE!!!!! hahahahaha!!!

[igsigs]

One thing - Ya know how J2K go to great lengths to describe how *shocked and dismayed* the Kalpoes are when they find out that Joran told Freddy the beach story?

What then was the Kalpoe's reaction to being asked about a beach story on 5/31...after Joran was questioned? No mention of PJ2K reviewing that tidbit during get-yer-story-straight week.

Appears as if they are more worried about Freddy knowing than Jacobs and v/d Straten.

Maybe they were more worried because the beach story was a different lie than what they were given to tell? 

I think that may be the answer! That 6/8 CNN link i posted the other day indicated that Joran told an Arashi beach story on 5/31. Yet a HI beach story to Freddy, the day before.  

[dennisintn]

FUNNY WE ALL AGREE!!!!! hahahahaha!!!

rob, i think y'all are exactly correct about the reason for 2k's being upset.
dennisintn

[Tamikosmom]

One thing - Ya know how J2K go to great lengths to describe how *shocked and dismayed* the Kalpoes are when they find out that Joran told Freddy the beach story?

What then was the Kalpoe's reaction to being asked about a beach story on 5/31...after Joran was questioned? No mention of PJ2K reviewing that tidbit during get-yer-story-straight week.

Appears as if they are more worried about Freddy knowing than Jacobs and v/d Straten.

FREDDIE KNOWS!!!!


Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.


Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.


Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005

At approximately 12.30 my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that.


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005

TWITTY: Well, Rita, like I said, we‘ve been worried as early as June 1 when we saw torn statements at a police station. We‘ve had falsified documents. I mean, we‘ve seen key elements omitted from uniformed police officers‘ statements. We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.

[klaasend]

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[Rob]

Here's the way I see it.

Joran has Paulus at home coaching him all the time. Because the crime happened in his house. The Kalpoes have no one and are trying to keep mama and Mr. Rameriz in the dark.

So you have Paulus (the pool side chat) and Joran scheming all day and all nite and the Kalpoes are at their mercy.

[windy city]

Here's the way I see it.

Joran has Paulus at home coaching him all the time. Because the crime happened in his house. The Kalpoes have no one and are trying to keep mama and Mr. Rameriz in the dark.

So you have Paulus (the pool side chat) and Joran scheming all day and all nite and the Kalpoes are at their mercy.

Not to mention the K2's are not friends with high ranking justice officials.

[ldstlou]

is charlieirat the same lawyer that "edited" natalee's wikipedia entry and spends all his time running to hard rock concerts?
dennisintn

  whew!!! I misread what you wrote the first time I read it! 

and he is a drunk chuckie too!!! ok...so do we have a pic of the Chuckie doll, you know...the evil Chuckie from the movie we can dedicate to the rat?
I wouldn't worry too much about chuck.  I mean look at him...no wife, no life and spends his time on a message board obsessing about a victims mother.

He talks tough but is really just a sorry assed loser.  Not at all athletic so probably always the last one picked.  He also most likely received weekly beating from bullies which probably explains some of the bitterness.

Not to mention I despise worthless ambulance chasers and BK attorneys.   

[ldstlou]

is charlieirat the same lawyer that "edited" natalee's wikipedia entry and spends all his time running to hard rock concerts?
dennisintn

  whew!!! I misread what you wrote the first time I read it! 

and he is a drunk chuckie too!!! ok...so do we have a pic of the Chuckie doll, you know...the evil Chuckie from the movie we can dedicate to the rat?
I wouldn't worry too much about chuck.  I mean look at him...no wife, no life and spends his time on a message board obsessing about a victims mother.

He talks tough but is really just a sorry assed loser.  Not at all athletic so probably always the last one picked.  He also most likely received weekly beating from bullies which probably explains some of the bitterness.

Not to mention I despise worthless ambulance chasers and BK attorneys.   

oopsie..lol..."and he is a drunk chuckie too!!! ok...so do we have a pic of the Chuckie doll, you know...the evil Chuckie from the movie we can dedicate to the rat?"