Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[SuzieQ]

Isn't Jerry Strawberry's real name Yeremy Croes?  Wonder if it is the same one.

[klaasend]

SuzieQ - I believe that Amigoe article is about the fake drivers license case that has already gone before the judge.  The suspects have received their sentences.  Once that happens they can print their names.

[klaasend]

Isn't Jerry Strawberry's real name Yeremy Croes?  Wonder if it is the same one.

Yes and I think the article says he's 23.  Hmmm, wonder if that's him?  Can't see anyone that looks like him in the photo but that doesn't mean anything.



FYI - this is the drivers license case where they were giving out fake DL.  They have been sentenced.

[SuzieQ]

Thanks Klaas. Have got to get to bed. Goodnight anyone still up.

[klaasend]

Nite SuzieQ

[Pita]

Isn't Jerry Strawberry's real name Yeremy Croes?  Wonder if it is the same one.

I have seen it spelled Cheremy Croes.   Not sure if Cheremy and Yeremy are one in the same.

[JusticeforNatalee]

A word of caution.  I've approved many new members to the forum.  Many have not posted yet.  99% of those will be normal members that will contribute to the forum.  1% will be like Shemanda.

Thanks Klass. I have been reading here since the beginning and this is my first time posting. Just coming out of lurking to say hi to the monkeys and Happy Friday! I'm the new monkey who will be making T-Shirts for the Travel shows that Vicki has been posting about. Please let me know if anyone is interested. Have a wonderful weekend you beautiful monkeys!

Welcome Kool.  Howdy

Hi! Thanks for making the T-shirts.Very much appreciated!

[Observer]

Big selection of Old videos by JLB Videos you may have not seen in a while as a bunch date back to June and july 2005..Heres a few of them.. I also listened to two interviews with Chris Lejeunz who gave two diffrent reasons why the prosecution asked him to give up one of the security guards as his client..

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?p=r&user=JLBVideos&page=1

June 17th 2005Talking about LVR and GVC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Jes7N13Kg

4th suspect arrested friend of JVDS..
In addition fox News has learned that police have questioned a 5th man..Not necessarily a suspect but a witness that they brought into the police station yesterday and questioned him for awhile..

June 23, 2005 Anita & Paul5.05 minute mark sweat pouring off PVDS forehead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEuL-QkOXIc

June 24, 2005 Kalpoe mom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LugIazXvg0

June 25, 2005 Greta speaks with Antonio Carlos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZvuPnWo_N0

June 29, 2005 Charles Croes Missing many parts of the Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k78M65rFEPQ

July 7, 2005 Arubans upset with Beth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmOMeBhHt94

July 11, 2005 Jossy Mansur "Joran Confessed 2nd day in detention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgvT5bXzcmg

Aug 2, 2005 Rudy Soemers Aruban PolicemanHe think's Natalee ran away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SzUfdbGWps

Dec 12, 2006 Jossy says "cover up" Has to be a coverup..How come these suspects are still free..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UjCyrhOHa4

[Tamikosmom]

Big selection of Old videos by JLB Videos you may have not seen in a while as a bunch date back to June and july 2005..Heres a few of them.. I also listened to two interviews with Chris Lejeunz who gave two diffrent reasons why the prosecution asked him to give up one of the security guards as his client..

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?p=r&user=JLBVideos&page=1

June 17th 2005Talking about LVR and GVC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Jes7N13Kg

4th suspect arrested friend of JVDS..
In addition fox News has learned that police have questioned a 5th man..Not necessarily a suspect but a witness that they brought into the police station yesterday and questioned him for awhile..

June 23, 2005 Anita & Paul5.05 minute mark sweat pouring off PVDS forehead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEuL-QkOXIc

June 24, 2005 Kalpoe mom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LugIazXvg0

June 25, 2005 Greta speaks with Antonio Carlos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZvuPnWo_N0

June 29, 2005 Charles Croes Missing many parts of the Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k78M65rFEPQ

July 7, 2005 Arubans upset with Beth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmOMeBhHt94

July 11, 2005 Jossy Mansur "Joran Confessed 2nd day in detention
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgvT5bXzcmg

Aug 2, 2005 Rudy Soemers Aruban PolicemanHe think's Natalee ran away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SzUfdbGWps

Dec 12, 2006 Jossy says "cover up" Has to be a coverup..How come these suspects are still free..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UjCyrhOHa4

Thanks *******

Janet

[MumInOhio]

I wonder if Luis Mansur's door was the only one blown off with an explosive device during that raid ...

Anything specific make you wonder that Ms Maple?

The cops were all armed and were authorized to use brute force to enter the homes, in order to have an "element of surprise".

But the Mansur house is the only one that was specifically described as having the door blown off.

Diario also mentioned that later in the day, a carpenter arrived to measure the door for repairs -

during oranan of afternoon one carpinte in servicio of cuerpo policial owing to come for take measure y haci the reparacion necesario for fix the door cu the oficialnan owing to rebenta.

Luis Mansur fired a gun, and if I understand correctly, his wife (or someone at the house) called the cops - thinking they were being attacked - before they realized it was the cops breaking in. Again, if I understand correctly, that "911" call was verified.

One of the 10 locations that were searched last Monday was the lawyers’ firm Mohamed Emerencia Duyneveld.  According to Duyneveld, it was done nicely and politely.  The examining judge had only asked him and his colleagues a few questions.  Because during the past seven years he conducted negotiations in Venezuela as lawyer of the arrested suspect Luis Mansur, the OM was interested in his involvement with the drugs case.  He was asked not to represent Mansur as a lawyer for the time being and be a possible witness later.  Duyneveld can imagine very well that it was his ‘former’ client that drew a gun when the police raided his home.  “The assisting special squad from Curacao has used an igniter to blow Mansur’s front door down around 04:00 in the morning and ran inside.  You wake up with a start and protect yourself.”[/quote]

Thank You MsMaple..I thought I had read only one door. If this is the case I wonder why they thought they needed to use force at the Mansur's and not at he other residences!

[greeneyedlady]

Just got an email from Amazon.com that they have shipped Beth's book to me. Shouldn't be long now. 

[nuntukamen]

Just got an email from Amazon.com that they have shipped Beth's book to me. Shouldn't be long now. 

i just got the same---the shipment is in!

[greeneyedlady]

Just got an email from Amazon.com that they have shipped Beth's book to me. Shouldn't be long now. 

i just got the same---the shipment is in!

Woohoo, I can't hardly wait.
 
Hi Nun, welcome to SM, I read all your posts at BFN.

[kooolkatt]

A word of caution.  I've approved many new members to the forum.  Many have not posted yet.  99% of those will be normal members that will contribute to the forum.  1% will be like Shemanda.

Thanks Klass. I have been reading here since the beginning and this is my first time posting. Just coming out of lurking to say hi to the monkeys and Happy Friday! I'm the new monkey who will be making T-Shirts for the Travel shows that Vicki has been posting about. Please let me know if anyone is interested. Have a wonderful weekend you beautiful monkeys!

Welcome Kool.  Howdy

Hi! Thanks for making the T-shirts.Very much appreciated!

Hi Snoopy, Justice &  Port Valerie. Nice to meet you monkeys. I really am just thankful that I can help with the T-Shirts. It means allot to me to be involved with such a wonderful group of people and such an important cause. Thank you all for keeping this story and Natalee's name alive!

[Rob]

You guys are gonna love the book....

I see a video above where Paulus is sweatin' bullets.... there is a section in the book where Paulus sweats his butt off. You'll love that part.

[Destiny]

That will break your eyes... 

how bout any that say ~ I break for Frosted Flakes?

Koolie - how bout a few that says ~ Julia slept here and here and here and here and here and there?

Rob,

How 'bout a T with Julia's photo on it...with it saying under the photo:

BEEN THERE, DONE HER, GOT THE SCABS TO PROVE IT!

OMG....I hope I don't get banned for that one...sorry KLAAS....my evil twin did it...not me!!!!!!!

Dest....pushing evil twin back in the closet

[dennisintn]

Rob,

How 'bout a T with Julia's photo on it...with it saying under the photo:

BEEN THERE, DONE HER, GOT THE SCABS TO PROVE IT!

OMG....I hope I don't get banned for that one...sorry KLAAS....my evil twin did it...not me!!!!!!!

Dest....pushing evil twin back in the closet
[/quote]

allow me to amend that with:  been there, done her, got the scabs and shot records to prove it.
dennisintn

[dennisintn]

by the way, did y'all see ru where he/she or whatever is bragging about getting kicked from here?  i think they must award bad conduct medals or something.
dennisintn

[Destiny]

CBB....THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!

I Love my new avi!!!!   You are sssoooooooooooo koooooool!!!!!!!

Trick 'r Treat,

Dest

[msmarple]

http://www.amigoe.com/english/   09/23/2007

Punishments milder than demands in driver’s licence fraud case

The judge has convicted the corrupt civil servant Fang Noguera to two years and three months imprisonment.  The 40-year old middleman Ermando Vrolijk received 6 months imprisonment for his part in the driver’s licence fraud.   

ORANJESTAD – The judge has decided on milder punishments for the suspects of the huge driver’s licence fraud from the Bureau Driver’s Licence Exam and Driver’s Licenses.  Everybody was sentenced, but some of the middlemen are free again after their time in custody was subtracted.

One of the main suspects, the 42-year old civil servant Fang Junior Noguera received the highest sentence up till now, namely 27 months unconditional imprisonment.  For five years after he serves his sentence, he won’t be able to work for the government.  Another main suspect, the 23-year old civil servant Yeremy Reginald Croes was sentenced to two years imprisonment.  Also he cannot do public work for five years after he has served his sentence.  This punishment was significantly lower than the 4.5 year jail that the public prosecutor had demanded a few weeks ago.

MIDDLEMEN

Some middlemen that bribed the civil servants were sentenced to the same amount of time they were in custody.  They had supposedly fixed a maximum of ten documents. Ermando Vrolijk received 6 months, Javier Villa 20 months and 15.000 florin fine, and Raymond Maduro 15 months and 7500 florin fine.

The third main suspect and civil servant, C.N.M. has not been sentenced yet.  That will take place on October 10th.  The public prosecutor said last week that there is still no evidence found that M. accepted bribes.  The OM has therefore demanded a lower punishment for her compared to the other civil servants, namely 15 months.

 

Motion: Aruba must pay for coastguard

ORANJESTAD/DEN HAAG -- Hero Brinkman of the Partij voor de Vrijheid (PVV) has proposed a motion during the Lower House debate on the Coastguard Statute Law Neth.Antilles and Aruba.  The motion is about Aruba’s payment arrears of her contribution for the coastguard.

“We also think that Aruba must comply with the corresponding financial obligations.  We ask the government to make Aruba comply with her financial obligations for the coastguard in 2006, before the budget consideration.  How is it possible that Aruba indicates herself that she will pay after the 2007 budget is approved.  The Netherlands is no loan bank.  And how about the 7.9 million claim in not paid coastguard amounts between 1999 and 2002?   If it is up to our fraction, the saint Nicolas period for the islands is over.  They are just like small children: you give them one finger and they take the whole hand.  We ask the government to demand payment of these amounts from Aruba”, said Brinkman.

State Secretary of Kingdom Relations, Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) explained that in the past years, the Antilles and Aruba have complied with their financial obligations regarding the coastguard.  She doesn’t see any reason to assume that Aruba will not pay that for 2006.  There are arrangements between the countries on the payments arrears of the years before 2003.  For Aruba, these payment arrears will be settled with the proceeds of the sale of a hotel in Aruba with the participation of the Netherlands.  Those of the Neth.Antilles were settled with chapter IV of the state budget at the expense of the cooperative resources.  So, there are no problems.