Natalee Case Discussion #682 9/24 - 9/30/2007

[dennisintn]

did you read the opinion piece that said the aruban and curacao want their own coast guards because nl coast guard has cut drug shipment money down too much.  car dealers, for instance, were complaining that their luxury car sales for cash were down too much sin nl coast guard took over.  don't think for a second that curacao and aruban govt. officials wouldn't be controlling drug catches and misses based on what they could make off of them.
dennisintn

[nuntukamen]

Just got an email from Amazon.com that they have shipped Beth's book to me. Shouldn't be long now. 

i just got the same---the shipment is in!

Woohoo, I can't hardly wait.
 
Hi Nun, welcome to SM, I read all your posts at BFN.

thanks, greeneyedlady, i am amazed at how many of our friends are here...not just stopping by, but here

[SunnyinTX]

SHEMANDA has been BANNED

Good Afternoon Monks!  I see we had VERMIN in the cage.......tah tah shemanda

[SunnyinTX]

A word of caution.  I've approved many new members to the forum.  Many have not posted yet.  99% of those will be normal members that will contribute to the forum.  1% will be like Shemanda.

Thanks Klass. I have been reading here since the beginning and this is my first time posting. Just coming out of lurking to say hi to the monkeys and Happy Friday! I'm the new monkey who will be making T-Shirts for the Travel shows that Vicki has been posting about. Please let me know if anyone is interested. Have a wonderful weekend you beautiful monkeys!

Hi Koool...welcome and THANK YOU!

[SunnyinTX]

A word of caution.  I've approved many new members to the forum.  Many have not posted yet.  99% of those will be normal members that will contribute to the forum.  1% will be like Shemanda.

Golly, I was going to find out if we were following the three strike rule.....but then I thought...that one post was definitely "foul".  Guess he/she/ it is grounded.   

No 3 strikes for RU trolls.  No warning, they will simply be banned 

GO KLAAS!   

[klaasend]

Posted today by WorldJournier at BFN:

Hi All.... In case it has not been provided, yet....

Received the following comment to one of my many NATALEE related blogs   http://nataleehollowaytimeline.blogspot.com/   who claims to be a cousin to the  Current  Kidnapping,  Rape,  Murder,  &  Corpse  Disposal  Suspects  KALPOE's 

.... Thank You, anastasia.... Are you in contact with the cousin?  ....I (and we) certainly hope so!!!! 

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THE POST BELOW WAS LEFT AT ONE OF MY BLOGS ABOUT NATALEE. COUDL THIS BE WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ? READ ON . WHOEVER WROTE IT TOO A LOT TIME TO WRITE ALL OF IT. IT'S SOUNDS LIKE IT VERY WELL COUDL BE WHAT "REALLY" HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT. HWO VERY SAD THAT THESE CREEPS ARE ALL STILL FREE. HERE IS THE POST I SAW.

Joran van der Sloot may you rot in Hell.
Hello I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Natalee Holloway had been at the casino, and had been drinking with the Joran Van der Sloot he is as guilty as hell the creep slime vampire bat . The two brothers one called Satish and Deepak and Joran Van der sloot, and I thinks a fellow named Steve all creeps , whom had been arrested about this case in 2006, had a plan. They had done this type of thing to so many other other girls in Aruba before. They were to give Natalee a last drugged drink to go, and Joran was to put a drug in her drink, I think a 'Date Rape Drug". He did. Natalee was not really so drunk when she left with Joran Van der Sloot, she was drugged! by all means Joran had asked her to go with him to see the Light House she was pulled to the car . Natalee was not sure about going and had refused at first , but with the drink and the drug in it, she followed him to the awaiting car like a sheep waiting to be slaugthered. It was just her and Joran Van der sloot, not the rest of the guys in the car , as has been reported by other withnesses. Joran started to drive to the Light House but Natalee passed out cold almost as soon as she got in the car! Joran then turned around and drove to a beach close to her hotel! He parked and dragged her out of the car onto the beach where the other three guys came out of hiding. The two brothers and the Steve guy. They all took turns raping her and when the last brother was nearly finished, Natalee woke up but was very groggy, and the second brother finished, as she started to fight them off. They were very angry and surprised, as one of them who gave Joran the drug, was supposed to give enough to keep her out, nearly all night!They all held her down, as Joran put his hands over her nose and mouth and hit her aswell until she died! Remember, Natalee was very drugged but still managed to fight them off, as best she could. She was a good girl but at the wrong place at the wrong time . She had been tricked and drugged. Other girls had been victims, as well waking up on beaches in the morning light, knowing something terrible had happened to them, but not actually remembering what it was.

The boys had not expected Natalee to wake up, so this was a surprise to them all! One of them quickly called someone the father of Joran van der Sloot and soon another car drove up to the parking spot on the beach. This person brought a black, zippered, coroner's, body bag. They then all helped put her inside. I couldn't see the face of the man who came with the bag, but thought it strange that someone could come up with a body bag so quickly! Next they put Natalee in the back seat of the car who's owner brought the body bag. Natalee was inside the bag and it was dark, so they thought no one would be able to see into the back seat, and I assumed that they did not have to drive far to hide the body.

But fortunate there were other withnesses as well . The first gardener that worked for the Van der Sloot family was said to have been deported he seen it aswell but was sent home to where he came from with some money to keep his mouth closed. He was forced and taken by a small plane, to an island not more than 5 or 10 minutes away, from Aruba, to a 'Compound" in the jungle. The 'People running drug things in Aruba, did not want him to talk since he saw something that night the father of joran van der sloot carrying a big black bag and surely something weird , as he had already spoke to someone, a reporter, I think, and they would have killed him aswell, but it would have looked to suspicious, so they just said he was "deported". The first gardener was from a group of poor people , and came to Aruba to work for the Van der Sloots, in order to earn money for their poor family.So some main "withnesses " gone the drugbarons at the aruba drug kartell, so authorities didn't make any attempt to find him, as they thought he would never tell and he couldn't be found anyway. If those same people thought he had talked about what he saw, they would not hesitate to kill the entire poor family, so that no one would be left to talk! It would be mass genocide! He, however, did talk what he really saw that night to some guards that night , and some other people know about what actually happened. I have to say that at least two of the young men that raped Natalee, and killed her, went straight home after the beach to set up alibi's the bastards.
The First Gardener got up around 4 AM to 4:30 AM, or when ever his usual morning work begins, and that is when he saw the guys with the body bag. He knew something was terribly wrong but he quickly turned around and went back to where he slept until no one else was around. When this gardener, told the wrong person that he saw the Van der Sloot boy at a certain time, I think his first statement was correct. This was his only mistake, and they had to get rid of him. They had no idea he saw them with the black body bag. I cannot tell you where she is buried, as if one of them finds out I have repeated this much, they will try and move it. I just know some very powerful people way up in the island gourvernement with some powerfull influence on that Island helped those guys hide the body and coverup all the tracks.
Poor me I am afraid to talk

The Dutch authorities sent those guys over to Aruba, as they had already been in trouble and they were an embarrassment to the Dutch Authorities. Joran Van der Sloot and the two brothers, would go to school and leave whenever they felt like it rich new kids and you know the rest aswell and the teachers were too afraid to call them on it!
Those three got away with first degree 'Murder' all the time. They finally got into such trouble that they had to be sent away. Joran was back in Aruba, at it again, along with his friends. but fled to Holland to the city Arnhem and sometimes city Haarlem in Holland
You know that the Island survives on it's drug and tourist industry. Many drugs are sent from Aruba. This is why the authorities are so afraid of this story, as they all get kick-backs from the drug money, I know there was a big up coverup meeting there were also six people who had a meeting this year in an Aruba Courtroom.
One included the current Judge. They were talking about the case, and especially about Satish Deepak. They said he was a loose cannon and unstable, and were worried that he might talk! It seems everyone, all adult, in that courtroom, knew what happened to Natalee including the Senior Van der Sloot, who was there in the room with the Judge and four others. They were not in session, as the Judge had his robe open and was standing around with the rest of these people.

Poor Natalee Holloway case is a real problem for Aruba may God have her soul, as she is not the only one who has gone missing because of the same type of action, or drugs. So the Drug kartell warned to sent Joran van der Sloot to Holland They cannot kill the entire Van der Sloot Family and the others that have been arrested, which would probably solve Aruba's problem, as far as the drug business goes.
I have seen that Joran Van der Sloot boy was wearing a blue and white stripped shirt the night Natalee was murdered, and Satish wore a blue T-shirt.


I have to say the gardener said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the Van der Sloot property! But because if they catch wind me talking, the body will surely be moved! The first floor of the gardeners shed had some pallets for a floor, and under this floor is another false floor that has dirt over it, so it looks like the ground, but if you look closely, you will see two small handles near the edges of the floor that can be taken up. Even the present gardener doesn't know it's there. In this shed is a lawn mower, and a rake, a bucket and some garden tools. There is also a terrible odor that is partially from the fish cut up to fertilize the gardens. This is what throws them off the scent, so to speak. Natalee is not alone under there. There is another body in there with her,

Well may be you can help
my identity must be protected in case this comes out .
I hope you are very careful with this information and I leave it with you, because you seem to be the only one who can help

I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Thu Aug 16, 04:21:00 PM EDT

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Posted by ANASTASIA to The Natalee Holloway Timeline of Her Aruba Vanishing, Detailing Persons, Places, Organizations, Actions & In-actions, Actual & Supposed Events, Known Outright Lies & Corruptions, & Natalee's Known Kidnapping, Rape, Murder, & Corpse Disposal Suspects at September 27, 2007 2:47 PM

[Rob]

I believe it is safe to say that the Norte Valle Cartel's days are over. Another arrest. It won't be long until the Florida end of this group is completely rounded up. This is the third arrest of an upper echelon member in 2-3 months. How long will it be until the Aruban end is caught or was that what last week was all about?


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298576,00.html



MEXICO CITY  —  Mexico's highest-profile female suspected drug trafficker and her Colombian drug boss lover were arrested Friday by federal agents in Mexico City, the government said.

Sandra Avila Beltran, dubbed the Queen of the Pacific and reputed to play a key role in shipping cocaine from Colombia to Mexico for the Sinaloa cartel, was arrested outside a restaurant in the capital's south, Assistant Public Safety Secretary Patricio Patino said.

Avila Beltran, 45, was in charge of the cartel's "public relations" and facilitated the movement of cocaine from Colombia to Mexico, including nine tons confiscated from a ship in Manzanillo in 2002, Patino told a news conference. He said there is a U.S. order for her extradition.

Hours after Avila Beltran's arrest, police detained her lover, Juan Diego Espinoza Ramirez, an alleged top Colombian drug trafficker also wanted by U.S. authorities.

Patino said Espinoza Ramirez, 39, was the second in command in the Colombian Norte del Valle cartel, whose leader Diego Montoya was arrested in Colombia earlier this month.

"He is one of the most-wanted drug traffickers in Colombia and in Mexico," Patino said.

Espinoza Ramirez is listed as a fugitive by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency in Miami.

Avila Beltran and Espinoza Ramirez worked for Ismael Zambada Garcia, a close associate of alleged Sinaloa cartel chief Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, Patino said.

In a video interview distributed by police, Avila Beltran says she is a housewife who also makes money selling clothes and renting houses.

When the interviewer asks why she is being held, she replies with a smile, "because there is an arrest warrant asking for my extradition."

Police were able to locate Avila Beltran thanks to numerous visits she made to a Thai restaurant and two beauty shops in Mexico City's ritzy Polanco neighborhood, Patino said.

Avila Beltran is the only woman among dozens of men suspected of drug trafficking in Mexico and is included on the nation's list of most-wanted fugitives.

She is accused of forming part of the third-generation of drug traffickers from the Pacific coast state of Sinaloa, where most major Mexican drug kingpins come from.

She is also a niece of Miguel Angel Felix Gallardo, the so-called godfather of Mexican drug smuggling.

[klaasend]

We've seen this posted before, I think around August on another blog..the same post. 

[sharon]

We've seen this posted before, I think around August on another blog..the same post. 

Parts of it look familiar -- from where, I can't remember.

A cousin of Deepak? Wouldn't that be Michael Dompig?

(btw -- thanks for those Freddy statements yesterday. I had been confused over the timing of the stories. Having them together was perfect)

[Rob]

btw- I saw an article last week about the cartels of the Caribbean region and part of the Norte Valle Cartel had all of the Navy and Coast Guard routes and positions identified. This seems to have been a huge concern for the Dutch Navy.

All of their coordinates were known to the cartel and they used submarines to get around the area and move the drugs.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

KLAAS

 Just reaad that post at RU as well a little bit ago. What you think about it?  BS??

[dennisintn]

is this the way the navy and coastguard operate in wartime?  fixed coordinates and fixed routes?  patrols set in concrete?  what the hell is that going to accomplish.  it's the ocean, not a piece of land that has to be occupied.  if this article is true, somebody's got their heads up their butts, and it had damn well better not be american.
dennisintn

[klaasend]

KLAAS

 Just reaad that post at RU as well a little bit ago. What you think about it?  BS??

Angie - hard to say??  Who knows?  It's been posted on a couple of blogs.

[Buckeye]

We've seen this posted before, I think around August on another blog..the same post. 

Klaas

Was the cousin's name Woman that Dreams?

Woman Who Dreams said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the VanderSloot property!....

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=5014.0

[klaasend]

I'll see if Red can find out what this says.  On Diario's front page today:



http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/9/29/

From todays Gretawire - thanks to Debbie at BFN for the heads up.  I don't know if there is any connection between the two:

Saturday, September 29
by Greta Van Susteren

I am leaving soon for a quick - 30 hour - trip out of the USA for work. I have received many comments asking if I will blog while I am gone ….the answer is yes (assuming I can get internet access.)

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/09/29/saturday-september-29/

[Buckeye]

We've seen this posted before, I think around August on another blog..the same post. 

Klaas

Was the cousin's name Woman that Dreams?

Woman Who Dreams said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the VanderSloot property!....

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=5014.0

The cousin must now be the gardener   

[klaasend]

We've seen this posted before, I think around August on another blog..the same post. 

Klaas

Was the cousin's name Woman that Dreams?

Woman Who Dreams said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the VanderSloot property!....

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=5014.0

The cousin must now be the gardener   

Buckeye - I have no idea, lol 

[dennisintn]

I am leaving soon for a quick - 30 hour - trip out of the USA for work. I have received many comments asking if I will blog while I am gone ….the answer is yes (assuming I can get internet access.)

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/09/29/saturday-september-29/
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roflmao, if she's on aruba, i'd bet serious money she can't get connected to the internet.
dennisintn

[Rob]

is this the way the navy and coastguard operate in wartime?  fixed coordinates and fixed routes?  patrols set in concrete?  what the hell is that going to accomplish.  it's the ocean, not a piece of land that has to be occupied.  if this article is true, somebody's got their heads up their butts, and it had damn well better not be american.
dennisintn

Dennis- doesn't make sense to me either, but that info is the Rosetta Stone to traffickers.

[klaasend]

I'll see if Red can find out what this says.  On Diario's front page today:



http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/9/29/

From todays Gretawire - thanks to Debbie at BFN for the heads up.  I don't know if there is any connection between the two:

Saturday, September 29
by Greta Van Susteren

I am leaving soon for a quick - 30 hour - trip out of the USA for work. I have received many comments asking if I will blog while I am gone ….the answer is yes (assuming I can get internet access.)

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/09/29/saturday-september-29/

The article is definately saying Beth and Greta are arriving in Aruba today.  


I typed into the translator (may have mistyped a word or two)

information cu diario is bayando is tell cu beth twitty y greta van susteren is yegando aruba during the day of today. they la come for of merca y will stay some day on we island. kico they're come haci is stay one question. for enough day end was wait for arrival of beth twitty, but seems cu the self was aunt problem personal for cual motibo never more the will owing to yaga here near. in form repentino the le is yegando we island y will hospeda at one hotel loca. during day will busca more informacion at instant cu the conocido reportera greta van susteren y beth twitty mother of natalee holloway arrive we island.