Natalee Case Discussion #685 10/7 - 10/14/2007

[klaasend]

The Dompig bunch
The Dompig bunch
That's the way we became
The Dompig bunch

[Helen Back]

Coincidence or Not?


June 18  – Paulus questioned for 5 hours as possible witness

June 18  – Rene Van Heyningen found partially beheaded in a cemetery

HEYNINGEN, Rene Michel van   – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05. Rumored to run the incinerator at the Refinery. It is also reported that he ran the incinerator at Oduber Hospital.  Yesenia Castillo, his wife(?) is reportedly being held in KIA in conjunction with his murder.

IIRC, Pitbull was related by Dompig's first ex-wife somehow.

I think Rene was killed for what he knew whether it was to do with Natalee's case or with drugs/money laundering.  The Columbian necktie murder means "SILENCE"

I say NOT a coincidence!  The message is very clear!

[klaasend]

Coincidence or Not?


June 18  – Paulus questioned for 5 hours as possible witness

June 18  – Rene Van Heyningen found partially beheaded in a cemetery

HEYNINGEN, Rene Michel van   – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05. Rumored to run the incinerator at the Refinery. It is also reported that he ran the incinerator at Oduber Hospital.  Yesenia Castillo, his wife(?) is reportedly being held in KIA in conjunction with his murder.

IIRC, Pitbull was related by Dompig's first ex-wife somehow.

I think Rene was killed for what he knew whether it was to do with Natalee's case or with drugs/money laundering.  The Columbian necktie murder means "SILENCE"

I agree and also believe part of the reason for the coverup has to do with drugs and porn.

[Rob]

The incinerator at the refinery could not completely cremate a body. It just wasn't hot enough. It could however destroy DNA, which occurs at only 400 degrees.

[klaasend]

The incinerator at the refinery could not completely cremate a body. It just wasn't hot enough. It could however destroy DNA, which occurs at only 400 degrees.

Rob - how about the PET Crematorium that we know they had??

[SunFreak2]

The Dompig bunch
The Dompig bunch
That's the way we became
The Dompig bunch

That says tons about the gene pool on Aruba!!

[Observer]

The activity on June 16th-18th tell the story IMO..It should show who implicated who..Remember we still havent heard about Guido yet as the early rumors from the island was he was a alibi for Joran. Also Rene did not show up to work for 2 days so more than likely he was murdered on the 16th or 17th and was found on the 18th(Saturday). His GFworked nights at one of the Hotels so they probably nailed him as soon as she left for work.

[klaasend]

It appears Sam Redman aka Roger/Scrux has taken down his safetravels.org site.  Wonder if it was his idea or someone made him take it down?   

[San]

Musings from the Back Porch

Joran didn't go to bed Monday night 30May2005 at all. Begininning Tuesday night through at least Friday he was sleeping at ISA school. (With phone and computer access no doubt)

PVs indicate meetings evenings "at Joran's", suggesting inside his apartment but he sure didn't want to be sleeping in there overnights for whatever his reasons.

WHO was taking him out to ISA to sleep nights? Was he driving himself? Whose car? Did he continue sleeping there until his arrest, or where did he stay after being accosted there by VietVet Friday night?

Number one reason would be that he where he killed Natalee.

[Observer]

Art Woods needs our help
From Suzie@BFN
A couple of weeks ago I did a post about Deepak hiding his car behind the Vandersloot gate and I said that it was a lightbulb moment for me when I realized that this was the only window of opportunity for the boys to get rid of Natalee and take her to the ocean.I went into great detail in those posts.  For 2 years or more I knew that Deepak had hidden his car behind the fence but I didn't have the light bulb moment until now. I wrote to Art Wood about this, (see below) and sent him all my posts on BFN regarding this to see if he agreed with me and he did. I just got another e-mail from him today asking for all our help, BFN, Natalee Angel Team, and everyone else to get some information on Koen Gottenbos (see below). Please let's all put our heads together and get Art the information he has asked for. He also assured me that he has not given up on Natalee. I for one, never even questioned that he did give up.

Art's answer to my e-mail about Deepaks car being hidden

From: edit
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:23:28 EDT
Subject: Re: I need you to look at my posts on BFN regarding Deepak's car being hidden
To: edit
    Suzie,
 
The time line you are suggesting and the info in your postings is right in line with what I have always said.
 
    Regarding the painted rocks. The area is less than 100 yards from where I found the belt.
 
    Paulus claims in his statement to have dropped Joran off at the racquet club between 4 and 5 pm on the 30th. However investigation later revealed that Joran never went to tennis practice that day/evening and it is the same alibi that got Koen in trouble with the prosecutor. Remember, assistant prosecutor Evelyn Flannigan resigned from the case because the police and prosecutor would not investigate Koen's lies regarding a tennis match with Joran on the 30th.
 
    Michael Dompig told Dave Holloway that Paulus borrowed the Gottenbos boat. (We do not know where he got that information, it could have come from his Father or kids at school. I am not aware of him telling anyone that he saw them in it. However he told Dave about the boat during the first week of June.)
 
    We are pretty sure that Joran never went to school on the 30th. There are conflicting statements from Paulus on that. However we do know that Joran went to school on the 31st as he was in the Nurse's office sleeping when Paulus picked him up to take him to the Police Station for his statement. The statement that Beth saw ripped up on Dennis Jacobs desk.
 
later, Art

Art's e-mail to me today asking for our help

From: edit 
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:11:40 EDT
Subject: Re: I need you to look at my posts on BFN regarding Deepak's car being hidden
To: edit
    Yes you may post my reply. Please ask all of our supporters to assemble any info that they may have on
Koen Gettenbos and the Gottenbos family. Are they living in Atlanta? Does anyone have an address for them? Is Koen going to college in Holland? What school? This is important as we are still trying to get the Dutch to follow up on Koen. Thanks, Art

edited to remove personal email addresses

[Helen Back]

Coincidence or Not?


June 18  – Paulus questioned for 5 hours as possible witness

June 18  – Rene Van Heyningen found partially beheaded in a cemetery

HEYNINGEN, Rene Michel van   – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05. Rumored to run the incinerator at the Refinery. It is also reported that he ran the incinerator at Oduber Hospital.  Yesenia Castillo, his wife(?) is reportedly being held in KIA in conjunction with his murder.

IIRC, Pitbull was related by Dompig's first ex-wife somehow.

I think Rene was killed for what he knew whether it was to do with Natalee's case or with drugs/money laundering.  The Columbian necktie murder means "SILENCE"

I agree and also believe part of the reason for the coverup has to do with drugs and porn.

I agree Klaas.  And thanks for the update on the Bogus "safetravels.org".  What a sidewinder!

[klaasend]

******* - I believe the family was sent all the information on the Gottenbos family in Georgia.  Not sure if we know what school if any Koen is attending right now.  I believe Grande has a great deal of information on it though.

[Rob]

The incinerator at the refinery could not completely cremate a body. It just wasn't hot enough. It could however destroy DNA, which occurs at only 400 degrees.

Rob - how about the PET Crematorium that we know they had??

PET? you mean the donkey incinerator? Well of course that could incinerate a body.

[klaasend]

The incinerator at the refinery could not completely cremate a body. It just wasn't hot enough. It could however destroy DNA, which occurs at only 400 degrees.

Rob - how about the PET Crematorium that we know they had??

PET? you mean the donkey incinerator? Well of course that could incinerate a body.

The one sold to Aruba by the company in Florida.  Yes, donkey...dog...cat...etc

http://www.matthewscremation.com/industry/international.asp

Matthews Cremation Division – International Installations

United States 2657
Argentina 24
Aruba 1
Australia 21
 
(snipped)

[Rob]

The activity on June 16th-18th tell the story IMO..It should show who implicated who..Remember we still havent heard about Guido yet as the early rumors from the island was he was a alibi for Joran. Also Rene did not show up to work for 2 days so more than likely he was murdered on the 16th or 17th and was found on the 18th(Saturday). His GFworked nights at one of the Hotels so they probably nailed him as soon as she left for work.

Bro- I just find it hard to believe she pleaded guilty and received 12 years for nothing. Still doesn't explain how she alone moved the body. And the authorities were going to see all the blood all over the house. A neck wound leaves a lot of evidence.

So, if the evidence is all over the house and she knows the police are going to back track Rene to the house, why does she bother to even move the body?

some of it makes no sense.

[Rob]

The incinerator at the refinery could not completely cremate a body. It just wasn't hot enough. It could however destroy DNA, which occurs at only 400 degrees.

Rob - how about the PET Crematorium that we know they had??

PET? you mean the donkey incinerator? Well of course that could incinerate a body.

The one sold to Aruba by the company in Florida.  Yes, donkey...dog...cat...etc

http://www.matthewscremation.com/industry/international.asp

Matthews Cremation Division – International Installations

United States 2657
Argentina 24
Aruba 1
Australia 21
 
(snipped)

THAT, my dear, is a human incinerator.

[Rob]

Coincidence or Not?


June 18  – Paulus questioned for 5 hours as possible witness

June 18  – Rene Van Heyningen found partially beheaded in a cemetery

HEYNINGEN, Rene Michel van   – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05. Rumored to run the incinerator at the Refinery. It is also reported that he ran the incinerator at Oduber Hospital.  Yesenia Castillo, his wife(?) is reportedly being held in KIA in conjunction with his murder.

IIRC, Pitbull was related by Dompig's first ex-wife somehow.

I think Rene was killed for what he knew whether it was to do with Natalee's case or with drugs/money laundering.  The Columbian necktie murder means "SILENCE"

I agree and also believe part of the reason for the coverup has to do with drugs and porn.

I agree Klaas.  And thanks for the update on the Bogus "safetravels.org".  What a sidewinder!

sounds like JQK sent out a nice little letter.

[Nut44x4]

The incinerator at the refinery could not completely cremate a body. It just wasn't hot enough. It could however destroy DNA, which occurs at only 400 degrees.

Rob - how about the PET Crematorium that we know they had??

PET? you mean the donkey incinerator? Well of course that could incinerate a body.

The one sold to Aruba by the company in Florida.  Yes, donkey...dog...cat...etc

http://www.matthewscremation.com/industry/international.asp

Matthews Cremation Division – International Installations

United States 2657
Argentina 24
Aruba 1
Australia 21
 
(snipped)

THAT, my dear, is a human incinerator.

ITA ROB!! I will never think otherwise.

[Observer]

The activity on June 16th-18th tell the story IMO..It should show who implicated who..Remember we still havent heard about Guido yet as the early rumors from the island was he was a alibi for Joran. Also Rene did not show up to work for 2 days so more than likely he was murdered on the 16th or 17th and was found on the 18th(Saturday). His GFworked nights at one of the Hotels so they probably nailed him as soon as she left for work.

Bro- I just find it hard to believe she pleaded guilty and received 12 years for nothing. Still doesn't explain how she alone moved the body. And the authorities were going to see all the blood all over the house. A neck wound leaves a lot of evidence.

So, if the evidence is all over the house and she knows the police are going to back track Rene to the house, why does she bother to even move the body?

some of it makes no sense.

It has already been said that there were two men involved and the house owner was a possible witness. She is the one who found him when she came home from work in the AM of 18th and then they found him at the cemetary. Remember he did not show up to work for 2 days!! How do we even know that she is in prison?

[Rob]

Nut - It is a human incinerator. I called and spoke to the international sales director. It weighs 6000lbs and fits in a garage space.

******* - First I heard she it him with a shovel and then it was switched to a machete. She is in jail. I saw the pics after she was sentenced. She got 12 years for murder. Now if they let her out and she is not serving her sentence, that's another thing. I have no way to know that.