Natalee Case Discussion #685 10/7 - 10/14/2007

[klaasend]

I hate be a bother tonight, but would someone please remind me who Andrew Hodges is?  I seem to have forgotten, again. TIA

He's the "thought print" guy.  He's written the book "Into the Deep" about Deepak and the Deepak emails:



http://tinyurl.com/2h34nw

[Anna]

Well, the hearing in California is on the 7th of Dec and their release scheduled for the 31st and now they have something in hand that says so.  Just perfect for asking for at time extension and claiming they can only after being released have access to the statements not given to them before.

They supposedly only have the statements that pertain to themselves.  Since scubajap and Julia routinely claimed to wander in and out of the police station at will, reading everything, I find that hard to believe but that is how they can claim to only legally have statements about themselves necessary for their own defense only.

So even if they are released as suspects, I tend to think that ALE and the Prosecution still won't call the case closed or release anything to the family.  Kalpoes maybe to help them out in this sham lawsuit they have brought.

But they would for sure have to produce the altered tape and all that relates to it including the NFI report on whatever ALE sent to them.  I would love to see the chain of evidence on that one!  I mean a real chain of evidence, not what is likely being presented as one.

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[Observer]

This is who Dana interviewed tonight and you can catch that on podcast when it is available.



Into the Deep
"He tried so hard to hide the truth!"

He is Deepak Kalpoe, one of three prime suspects in the May 30, 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on the tiny Caribbean island of Aruba.

Five days after the attractive blonde vanished, Kalpoe wrote a lengthy and ultimately revealing email to a friend. That email-between the lines- tells the whole sordid story of Natelee Holoway's last night on earth.

Forensic psychiatrist Andrew Hodges utilizes a pioneering method of "thoughtprint decoding" based on the unconscious mind's universal urge to tell the truth. In Kalpoe's email Hodges found a greatly detailed and graphic unconscious confession-the real story of what transpired that dark night on the white, sandy beaches of Aruba.

Decoding Deepak's hidden messages scene by scene, he unlocks a Pandora's Box of sexual seduction, deceit and depravity.

Prepare yourself for shock after shock as you delve "Into the Deep" to learn what really happened to Natalee Holloway on that awful night in Aruba - a paradise that suddenly turned into her own personal hell.


Biography
Psychiatrist Andrew Hodges' pioneering new method of forensic profiling (thoughtprint decoding) has been praised by law enforcement experts, including FBI agents, as the "cutting edge of forensic science." Hodges shows how suspects unconsciously confess between the lines (in both written and oral communications). Called the ultimate 'mindhunter,' he authored two highly acclaimed books on the JonBenet Ramsey case.

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Natalee Holloway: Analysis Suggests Drugging And Gang Rape Involved

Breaking News by Dan Riehl


Dr. Andrew Hodges, a forensic psychiatrist, has begun to analyze some of what documented facts and statements are available in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway - that analysis suggests that both Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot may have been involved in a planned scheme which included the drugging and gang raping of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. He is currently preparing a full report for the family of Natalee Holloway.


Thoughtprint decoding is reading between the lines for unconscious messages, called "thoughtprints,".


A recent breakthrough to the unconscious mind reveals it is strikingly honest and far brighter than the conscious mind and that criminals are strongly inclined toward unconscious confession.


To decode thoughtprints one must be attuned to a suspect's unconsciously patterned ideas and not his literal conscious statements. The conscious mind speaks literally ("left brain") about certain issues, the unconscious mind speaks symbolically ("right brain") about deeper issues facts via thoughtprints.


Thoughtprints: Joran indirectly warned the girls from Mountain Brook High School including Natalee Holloway around 9 pm at the Holiday Inn Casino-- "Don't go to Carlos and Charlies, it's no fun on Sunday night." This suggests an unconscious protective warning, knowing that he was up to something (a group rape as he suggests).


Natalee Drugged: Joran spontaneously reported that Natalee was on drugs at C and C suggesting she indeed was drugged there. Deepak's thoughtprints also suggest Natalee had been drugged - reporting that he had lied to police because missing girls "usually show up at a crack house (sic)."



Both suspects independently introduced drugs's suggesting they drugged her in addition to the alcohol she had consumed. There are rumors of bartenders cooperating in such a scenario.



Natalee Resisted a Group Rape: Joran and Deepak both referenced the idea of sex being refused ("Joran said he refused Natalee sex in the back seat at one point, Deepak prohibited Joran and Natalee from sexual contact telling them to go get a hotel room) and of Natalee refusing to be touched while on the ground when she fell.



All of this strongly suggests sexual activity and touch being refused and that she put up a fight while held down and that there was both verbal and physical resistance.



A particularly striking story of Natalee falling-- physically out of control on the ground and intoxicated linked with the moment of separation (death)-- suggests loss of control through drugs, rape and finally through death.



Additional analysis, some anticipated to be discussed this week on Court TV with more going directly to the family, is pending. In speaking with Dr. Hodges, it was at least suggested at this point that, based upon other reports, along with the drugging, such a crime may have included luring Natalee Holloway away from the front of Carlos and Charlie's on foot.

http://www.bloggernews.net/showstory.asp?page=blognews/stories/WN0000385.txt

[crazybabyborg]

The examining Judge holds that during the hearing in chambers it was satisfactorily proven that the investigation is in full swing, without needles(s) delay having been caused during the investigation.
The investigation has been going on since June 2005, and this period of time in itself may be deemed unnecessarily long. However, no submission was made or evidence produced of such weighty circumstances that the period for such a complicated investigation as the one in question into a more than likely criminal offense and the possible involvement – in whatever form – of the suspects in it, has to be deemed unreasonably long, and would have to be shortened. The Examining Judge also takes account in the matter, the promise of the Chief Public Prosecutor made in chambers,that petitioners will receive no later than December 31et, 2007 a decision on prosecution containing either a summons, or a notification of no further prosecution.

In view of the above, the Examining Judge will dismiss the petition.

Sept, 24, 2007



This is the body of the decision. I just wanted to type it out for a closer look.

These are the important points, IMO.

I would disagree about the submissions made being weighty. I believe that the "submissions" by the suspects, particularly Joran are extremely weighty. Is this decision only made concerning K2?

[klaasend]

CBB - we really don't know what the prosecutor has given to the judges. 

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Klaas. I was under the impression that those emails were not written by Deepak.  Gosh!  Where did I get that idea? I am getting old....er. 

[klaasend]

Thanks Klaas. I was under the impression that those emails were not written by Deepak.  Gosh!  Where did I get that idea? I am getting old....er. 

Personally, I believe those emails were dictated by PVDS and sent out by Deepak.

[Anna]

CBB,

I read that as no weighty reasons given by the suspects for an early relase of their suspect status.

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[Anna]

I hate be a bother tonight, but would someone please remind me who Andrew Hodges is?  I seem to have forgotten, again. TIA

He's the "thought print" guy.  He's written the book "Into the Deep" about Deepak and the Deepak emails:



http://tinyurl.com/2h34nw

Have any Monkeys read this book?  I can't decide whether to order it or not.  I wonder if it contains anything new we haven't read before and how well written it is.

This man is a Board Certified Psychiatrist which means he also has an M.D., not just a PhD, and so should be well qualified to speak about things like this but then again, I thought especially that first email from Deepak sounded just like Paulus and was a script for them to memorize especially Satish who has problems in that regard--getting his story straight.

[klaasend]

Anna - I haven't read it.  I do believe there is a thread at BFN where some are posting info on it though.

[oldfart]

Thanks Klaas. I was under the impression that those emails were not written by Deepak.  Gosh!  Where did I get that idea? I am getting old....er. 

Personally, I believe those emails were dictated by PVDS and sent out by Deepak.

Or lat least the general content of what the e-mail should  contain to establish some things.  Hell they admitted to as much (I think).
BTW.. being O/T
If there is a  long tailed cat ~~ in a room full of rockers that happens to read this all want to say is Hey There

[Anna]

On Page 2 they are asking the judge to give them until Jan 15, 2008, to comply with Discovery.  They have this ruling by Judge Smid as proof that the confidentiality phase will have ended by then and that they expect to be released as suspects!!  That's what I thought this was about.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/.Public/Kalpoe_v_McGraw/1004pltfs_motion.pdf

[Observer]

Thanks Klaas. I was under the impression that those emails were not written by Deepak.  Gosh!  Where did I get that idea? I am getting old....er. 

Personally, I believe those emails were dictated by PVDS and sent out by Deepak.

Yup..Two little pawns and they have no say in anything! We know PVDS hired their lawyers originally..So who is paying for this very large legal bill for this team in chicago?? Would this be the same Govt that is supposed to be prosecuting them??

Released as suspects?? They do that and that will be the worst mistake they could ever make!!!!!!!!

[Anna]

They can be released as suspects but the case not declared closed.  ALE can say they are investigating the involvement of others or the OD claim, etc.

[wreck]

Natalee Holloway: Analysis Suggests Drugging And Gang Rape Involved

Breaking News by Dan Riehl

?????? WTF?????

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also, wasn't there a Judge "Smid" and a Judge "Smit"??

I'm a little befuzzled tonight!

[Anna]

Anna - I haven't read it.  I do believe there is a thread at BFN where some are posting info on it though.

Only a couple have commented there.  Was hoping for more input.  And I missed that part of Dana tonight.  Will listen on Podcast as maybe that will be inspiring.

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[sb]

We need to go back and check the dates but it looks like Smid gave that ruling BEFORE the California judge set the hearings on the Motion to Dismiss. In other words, K2 attorneys would have had that decision in hand already, and if so, it did them no GOOD. Maybe this ISN'T a setup by Smid. Maybe.

[Anna]

Natalee Holloway: Analysis Suggests Drugging And Gang Rape Involved

Breaking News by Dan Riehl

?????? WTF?????

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also, wasn't there a Judge "Smid" and a Judge "Smit"??

I'm a little befuzzled tonight!

Yes and a Judge Witt to make matters worse.  But I think Smid is the one who makes one public (before the prosecution) signing of a search warrant then sneaks out to the compound and changes it.

[klaasend]

Natalee Holloway: Analysis Suggests Drugging And Gang Rape Involved

Breaking News by Dan Riehl

?????? WTF?????

~~~~~~~~~~~
also, wasn't there a Judge "Smid" and a Judge "Smit"??

I'm a little befuzzled tonight!

Where was that Dan Riehl breaking news posted?  Who posted it?

[wreck]

Natalee Holloway: Analysis Suggests Drugging And Gang Rape Involved

Breaking News by Dan Riehl

?????? WTF?????

~~~~~~~~~~~
also, wasn't there a Judge "Smid" and a Judge "Smit"??

I'm a little befuzzled tonight!

Yes and a Judge Witt to make matters worse.  But I think Smid is the one who makes one public (before the prosecution) signing of a search warrant then sneaks out to the compound and changes it.

still confused ... especially about the Dan Riehl part.  Is Dan seeing the light? When did that come out?