Natalee Case Discussion #685 10/7 - 10/14/2007

[klaasend]

Full Swing

...the J2K investigation. As of September. There must be *something*. There has to be.

Good point.  When was KLPD there searching the VDS?  Was that in July?

[AZLady]

Wow!  Good job Klaas.  I like the music, too.  I only watched the first 30 seconds or so because I did read the post, several times.  Those Freebirds are very sharp at putting together the facts gleaned from documents and statements.

[klaasend]

Wow!  Good job Klaas.  I like the music, too.  I only watched the first 30 seconds or so because I did read the post, several times.  Those Freebirds are very sharp at putting together the facts gleaned from documents and statements.

Yes, they are great at putting it all together.  I think it's important to youtube them when I can too.

[klaasend]

[dennisintn]

what exactly is dengue fever? 

all i know is that's it can be fatal the second time you get it, and that the symptoms sound about the same as the flu.   i googled it last year when aruba had a major outbreak but can't remember all the details.  it didn't sound like anything i'd want to get even once and i was never able to find a warning to tourists about it.  the health dept. of aruba gave interviews to their local papers asking the public to dump water from containers and tires and other places where it would stand after rains and even sponsored drives to get the communities to clean up breeding places.
dennisintn

[Kat_Gram]

I read the post from the Freebirds/ Vacuuming :Deepak vacuumed the car according to him the Sunday before going to C & C's as there were ants in the car and they might have girls in the car.
He says again that he vacuumed the car on Tuesday as there was sand in the car from a beach party he had been to previously and Joran had come into the car with sand on his shoes.
We had a good laff over that one as if he vacuumed the ants out, did he use the
" ant " attachment ? Why did he feel the need to vacuum only the ants on Sunday and the sand from prior to Sunday on the Tuesday ?

[MuffyBee]

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[igsigs]

Full Swing

...the J2K investigation. As of September. There must be *something*. There has to be.

Good point.  When was KLPD there searching the VDS?  Was that in July?

April!

I don't trust Smid as far as i can throw him, but i don't see any benefit to worthless delays - at this point.

[igsigs]

Why did he feel the need to vacuum only the ants on Sunday and the sand from prior to Sunday on the Tuesday ?

Good question. Did Deepak make it clear that the sand was from prior to Sunday?

[klaasend]

Why did he feel the need to vacuum only the ants on Sunday and the sand from prior to Sunday on the Tuesday ?

Good question. Did Deepak make it clear that the sand was from prior to Sunday?

Maybe only his super duper AntVac was available to him on Sunday:



Simply attach to your vacuum Trap invading ants Dispose or store for later use No pesticides or poisons No odors or fumes 

[Observer]

Well after reading the Freebird's fine piece of work twice now I am confident that sadly Natalee died on 5-30-05. I find it highly unlikely that they would be speaking to the ALE for any other reasons. PVDS made all the arrangements and by mid afternoon they all met with his best friend Commissioner Van Der Straaten to start the cover up. Jan needed the biggest dirtbag in the force that could lie to the family's face,destroy evidence and cover everything up. He knew he had the perfect person in Narcotics officer Dennis Jacobs who unbelievably was kept as lead detective for over two years. We saw how upset he got if he didn't receive every piece of evidence that was found.

Fine attempt by Hubert Tiel as he pretended to be chasing Natalee around Aruba and Venezuela. We know Anita and her Friends must have been quite busy calling the tip lines reporting false sightings those first few weeks and its No coincidence that 29 months later they are still working hard at lying about everything. Imagine your young daughter is missing and you are being directed to crack houses by Julia Renfro!! SHe knew exactly where to look and that was in the opposite direction of the truth. In the face of evil is the perfect title for that video.

[Kat_Gram]

Why did he feel the need to vacuum only the ants on Sunday and the sand from prior to Sunday on the Tuesday ?

Good question. Did Deepak make it clear that the sand was from prior to Sunday?

Yes he did sir ! ! In his PV's. Think he said a week or two prior to that. The ALE were commenting on how clean his car was too when he was there also.  
If there was sand in the car late Monday nite / Tuesday from Joran, then when was it from ? From when Joran almost fell in the water ? Prior to Sunday ?

[Lala'sMom]

Well after reading the Freebird's fine piece of work twice now I am confident that sadly Natalee died on 5-30-05. I find it highly unlikely that they would be speaking to the ALE for any other reasons. PVDS made all the arrangements and by mid afternoon they all met with his best friend Commissioner Van Der Straaten to start the cover up. Jan needed the biggest dirtbag in the force that could lie to the family's face,destroy evidence and cover everything up. He knew he had the perfect person in Narcotics officer Dennis Jacobs who unbelievably was kept as lead detective for over two years. We saw how upset he got if he didn't receive every piece of evidence that was found.

Fine attempt by Hubert Tiel as he pretended to be chasing Natalee around Aruba and Venezuela. We know Anita and her Friends must have been quite busy calling the tip lines reporting false sightings those first few weeks and its No coincidence that 29 months later they are still working hard at it.

The ultimate Dirty Hand. 

[klaasend]

Well after reading the Freebird's fine piece of work twice now I am confident that sadly Natalee died on 5-30-05. I find it highly unlikely that they would be speaking to the ALE for any other reasons. PVDS made all the arrangements and by mid afternoon they all met with his best friend Commissioner Van Der Straaten to start the cover up. Jan needed the biggest dirtbag in the force that could lie to the family's face,destroy evidence and cover everything up. He knew he had the perfect person in Narcotics officer Dennis Jacobs who unbelievably was kept as lead detective for over two years. We saw how upset he got if he didn't receive every piece of evidence that was found.

Fine attempt by Hubert Tiel as he pretended to be chasing Natalee around Aruba and Venezuela. We know Anita and her Friends must have been quite busy calling the tip lines reporting false sightings those first few weeks and its No coincidence that 29 months later they are still working hard at lying about everything. Imagine your young daughter is missing and you are being directed to crack houses by Julia Renfro!! SHe knew exactly where to look and that was in the opposite direction of the truth. In the face of evil is the perfect title for that video.

How did you like my choice of music?    Also that particular photo of Joran is really evil looking to me.

[Observer]

How did you like my choice of music?    Also that particular photo of Joran is really evil looking to me.

I think that is one of the most important youtubes made yet!! Where are all the statements from 5-30-05? For them to be speaking to the ALE before Natalee's Family arrived is just unbelievable and another piece of evidence that confirms a large scale coverup of the murder of Natalee Holloway!!!

I think there are two faces of Joran. One in the interview with Greta and the other one that you captured on that youtube. He is slowly looking like the monster he really is. The music reminded me of some old sicilian mafioso music that Capone may listen to..But it fits the video 

[klaasend]

******* - maybe that's because the music is from The Godfather 

[klaasend]

By the way, that Freebird is part 1 of 6.  More to come.  I'm going to attempt to do a youtube for each of the 6 parts.

[klaasend]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/cat_index_3.php


Aruba
Oud-piloot van Mansur aangehouden
Abonnee Artikel
ORANJESTAD — Deze week is er opnieuw een huiszoeking en een arrestatie verricht in het grote justitiële onderzoek naar de handel in drugs en het witwassen van geld. Het gaat om E.T. die de vaste piloot van Luis Mansur was. In zijn huis is huiszoeking verricht om na te gaan of er drugs, geld of wapens aanwezig waren. Bij de inval, waarbij ook weer een drugshond werd ingezet, is echter niets aangetroffen. Niettemin is E.T. in hechtenis genomen en zijn voorarrest is na 48 uur verlengd met acht dagen om de politie de gelegenheid te geven voor verhoor.
13 Okt, 2007, 17:38 (GMT -04:00)


Through translator:

Oud-piloot of Mansur subscriber apprehended

Article ORANJESTAD - these yielded a searching and an arrest have been again carried out in the large judicial study into the traffic in drugs and laundering money. It concerns E.T. which the fixed pilot of luis Mansur was. In its house examine searching it has been performed or there drugs, money or weapons present were. At the irruption, where also a drug dog was used, nothing has been however found. Nevertheless E.T. in detention have been taken and its voorarrest has been extended after 48 hours with eight days to the police force give the occasion for verhoor. 13 Okt, 2007, 17.38 (GMT -04:00)

[Observer]

******* - maybe that's because the music is from The Godfather 

I thought it may have been but I wasnt sure..I am not one of those people that has seen each Gofather movie 27 times  Good choice Klaas..

[Yellow Ribbon]

I've just started reading Beth's book tonight. The story about that first night is well told and captures the frustration we've all felt.

The rush back to Birmingham. The private plane to Aruba. They are standing in front of Joran's house within 24 hours with the Aruban police. The cops therefore know who the suspects are from the start. Yet the Aruban Police are there to protect and serve the guilty.

God bless you Beth. I'm so sorry you have had to endure this.