Yoo Hoo!!!! Is anyone here? I need some clarification please. It's about the 4th and 5th suspect again. I was going back over some stuff (Yes,it was Shango/Simian) and I was wondering about something. It is also about Lorenzo, yes that dreaded name that conjures up all manner of devisiveness. Please bear with me. It is from a FP story on June 17 about new suspects arrested.
I understand there is confusion in the news reports as to who was 4 and who was 5 to be arrested or whatever term they use, detained, questioned, etc. Here is what confuses me. I am copying parts of the FP story here as follows:
9:14am **** UPDATE ****
4th arrest made in Natalee Holloway case
9:17 am: From one of our great sources in Aruba, americaninaruba …
today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ……with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning…surprised the family with this arrest….we got different information, but we want to get all concrete things together before we bring this news to you…..we dont want to confuse anyone! we want to say that their is suspicion that she is ALIVE! but we dont want to bring up any suspicion to anyone but we will be back with info if this person has information for this case…also in Savaneta they took someone for interogation…..we are hoping this will come to an end, with all this suspicion we believe shes alive…..stay pending…..thank you harry
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At 9:50 am: MSNBC & Fox have just reported the arrest of a fourth suspect. A 27 year old man.
It has been confirmed by Fox speaking to individual in Justice department 4th arrest 26 year old friend of joran
Fox News now reporting: Sources: 4th Person Arrested in Aruba Mystery
Authorities in Aruba arrested a fourth man in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway, sources told FOX News.
The new person detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot — who was with Holloway the night she disappeared, sources said. Van der Sloot, 17, has been detained but not charged.
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Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.
The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.
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Update: 1045 There is a rumor of another person taken into custody, his father recently committed suicide and that he has had serious mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was know for having underground parties.
This is getting a little bizarre.
From the AP: Fourth Person Detained in Holloway Disappearance
11:00 am:
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A fourth person has been detained in Aruba in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, authorities announced Friday.
The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified by the attorney general’s office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose the gender or say when the person was detained.
According to Top 95 via American in Aruba
The arrest this morning was of a 26 year old. There wwere 2 dutch brothers questioned yesterday may have provided some information that led to this arrest. Also , a family friend of Joran Van Der Sloot was on the radio saying the Joran was a quiet nice boy who liked to go out with friends. The station is holding out hope publicly on the radio that she may be alive.
Let us hope and pray.
UPDATE: Initials S.C. born 21 -07-1978 –> Has only one hit in national health system: Steve Gregg C. J. Croes
Does anyone, have any other sources that talks of these two people. Clearly, after all this time they are talking about Steve Croes and Lorenzo. I would like to be able to clear up this "PVDS as 5th person status". It does not seem to me that these reports are talking about Paulus at all. Remember this is the catalyst that caused Simian to begin posting. Until this time, Simian was silent, if he indeed was ALE as some think, then it was these two people that began the process of his posting to release information that he wanted out, but couldn't because of his work status. Okay, monkeys....help me here.
June 9 Joran/K2 detained
June 13 security guards released
June 14 search near Marriott Hotel
June 15 search of vdSloot property
June 16 Lorenzo questioned (considered a suspect according to Tito Lacle/FOXNews/Aruba Today)
June 17 Maxito Arendsz questioned, provided alibi for Lorenzo
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[NOTE: June 17 Steve Croes detained
June 17 Steve Croes detained
June 18 Paulus questioned
June 18 The decapitated body of Rene Van Heyningen is found
June 18 Sergio Gomez is reported missing, police find his abandoned pick-up truck
June 19 Paulus questioned
# SHOCKtheMONKEY Says:
June 23rd, 2005 at 11:32 am
the PIMPle is about to pop
June 23 Paulus detained
"Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:17 pm P 1178
Steve Croes is singing."
June 26 Paulus released/he goes home; Croes' release ordered/he walks out the next day
simian's first post: June 17/first mention of 5th suspect: June 22
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled."
"Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week."
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?"
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?
None of the above is true about Steve Croes ... or Paulus
which leaves us with all of the above is true about Lorenzo = Lorenzo is the 5th suspect.
Simian was presenting ALE's view of who the suspects were, not the bloggers' view.
Simian was presenting PR for ALE so Simian's suspect count was five:
Joran, Deepak, Satish, Steve ... & Lorenzo who had the bafflingly strong party host alibi.
Party host Steve? No. Party host Paulus? No. party host Lorenzo? Yes.
If we're going to refer to simian's 5th suspect & that was said on June 22 ...
we can only list the names that were considered suspects by that date:
Maxito was not himself a suspect ... he was brought in because Lorenzo said: "He's my alibi, ask him." So they did and he alibi'd Lorenzo.
Simian Says:
June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
4:29 post
JVDS and Kalpoes are involved in prostitution/drugs ring themselves, not just getting dope from the dealers
# subdude Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:44 am
casanostra: I believe you are right and the Polis Chief, Prime Minister, JVDS, PVDS the Kalpoes, Stephen Croes and Lorenzo VanRijn are all intertwined with casanostra dealing dope, prostitution, etc…
I think Joran gots his drugs to deal there and dabbled in the sex slave trade. PVDS pimped young girls as well. Remember “PIMPle is about to pop” right before PVDS arrest?
Another Aruban blogger from another site wrote that some of Natalee's
belongings were found at Van Rijn's house."
http://coffeepotghost.com/NATALEE_HOLLOWAY_CASE_LORENZO_LARRY_VAN_RIJN.htmlLorenezo Van Rijn was brought in for questioning and owns a van.
Source:http://tinyurl.com/3dpe8b
Van Rijn Lorenzo and Max Arendzs were detained and questioned on Friday - Lorenzo is the drug lord and a friend of Paulus VDS - they also are all tied to Steve Croes.
LORENZO:
http://websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-26041Izzy Mae
Since we aren't getting a lot of news reports right now, I thought I'd bring up some of the things floating around. I've read bits and pieces discussed here on WS but I haven't really been able to tie it all together.
I've been very unclear about the wealthy, early twenties, Lorenzo van Rijn and what his role is. one tidbit that's interesting, van Rijn is supposedly PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT's illegitimate son (Joran's half brother)... how is he involved?
The story, according to neighbors of Van Rijn's mom, "this lady had an affair with PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT before he was married to his current wife, and the result was Lorenzo van Rijn." umm, okay...
Regardless, we know Lorenzo van Rijn's mother was married to a VW auto dealer, van Rijn "Sr." (for clarity sake) Together they raised the young Lorenzo van Rijn Jr., at least until his (Sr.) death. He committed suicide a couple of years ago, by hanging himself. This could explain why Lorenzo Van Rijn Jr. is so wealthy? who knows, but apparently he's also into several different things, including, the drug business, quite heavily, from what they say.
From what I've read, "Van Rijn is feared by many on the island due to the fact that so many find him so sinister. His home is one of the only homes on the island which has a basement..."
hmmm... :waitasec:a basement huh? hahaa, sounds sinister, but what does that have to do with anything, right? btw, he also owns a speed boat too
well, according to Riehl World View, they reported that a blogger from Aruba, on another site, wrote that some of Natalee's belongings were found at Van Rijn's house...
wonder what belongings that could have been, since she really didn't take anything with her...
Now, take this with a grain of salt, however, we can't disregard the fact that van Rijn was brought in for questioning in Natalee's disappearance June 15. Even if they didn't find her "belongings," at his house, LE brought him in. I can't help but wonder why? There is a connection somewhere.
At the same time as Van Rijn, a guy by the name of, was also brought in for questioning.
I'm getting my info, links pics. from
www.RiehlWorldView.com A quick comment about RiehlWorldView. Most are already familiar with this guy, but for those who aren't, he is a blogger that's sort of like a web detective journalist, so to speak. He has been following Natalee's case from the beginning. He is so well informed, Fox News sites him, even invited him as guest for an interview discussing details on the case. Not only does Fox look to him for information and updates, but other web news groups, bloggers etc., do as well. He's also consistently made the home/front page of Blogger News Network. (
http://www.legendgames.net/blognews.asp) He reports on EVERYTHING, and does a good job of separating fact from fiction and discussing heresy.
I have a lot more stuff to post, I'm trying to keep it short and as clear as possible so, I'm gathering up the info now.
dani
Hi Izzy Mae! :wavey guy:
Van Rijn Lorenzo and Max Arends were detained and questioned on Friday - Lorenzo is the drug lord and a friend of Paulus VDS - they also are all tied to Steve Croes. It has been rumored that there is a cell phone record from 6:20AM the morning Natalee went missing from Steve Croes to Joran.
http://forums.go.com/abc/thread?threadID=454720&forumStart=0omega
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Riehl World View: Fourth Man
Lorenzo is the son of the deceased VW car dealer, seems to be very much related to ... Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever...
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html - 92k -
*******, I personally know Lorenzo very well and since he (to my knowledge) isn't guilty or plays a part in the NH case I'd rather refrain from giving out personal info.
What is known (was in the papers), the police (way in the beginning) got an anonimous tip by phone, and went (without a searchwarrant and were allowed)to search his house and question him. Nothing was found, he also had an alibi and that settled it.
Him being PdvS son is a rumour that started during the NH case. I think because Lorenzo's dad's name was Paul too, they are both Dutch etc. that rumour started. But there is no truth to it.
More I can't tell you about him. Lorenzo is a guy who luckily does not hang out on the Internet (so he will not read some of the ludicrous things posted about him) and has no pictures online. Non of the pictures you've seen online claiming to be him, is him.
Posted by: Dolores | Aug 31, 2005 9:33:45 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/08/natalee_hollowa_75.htmlA poster on an Aruban blog.....take this as you will...said Steve Croes told his grandmother he saw an argument on the beach, the three and Natalee, and went back to washing the boat. This was repeated to a neighbor who was related to the person who told the tale
went back to washing which boat? The tattoo? It is way too far away from anywhere any of these things happened. It is a VERY big boat, moored way off shore, and up by the DePalm Pier-more than a quarter mile away. He would not have seen anything on the beach by the HI or Marriott-
Also-The Tattoo has a maintainance crew-washing the boat is not a one man job.
Posted by: scubajap | Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 07:22 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/test_blog/2006/03/466.htmlAnd Joran even mentions him in his first statement, that Steve Croes is the witness to seeing him drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn and the two security guards coming up to take her.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/STEVE CROES:
Rufi Solognier lives next door to Steve G.Croes, uncle, RUMORED ex-polis.
Croes' uncle Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described his nephew as a quiet divorced man with a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/missing.teen/index.htmlhttp://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=2256.0 14. Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?
Dave: Joran was allegedly dropped off at a bus stop on the main highway. The bus driver had not made it there yet and saved Paulus about 30 minutes. Lorenzo's house was nearby.
just asking
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Re: Evidence in the case
« Reply #467 on: Today at 07:28:17 PM »
Lorenzo does not have the biggest house on the island.
His father was a businessman (owner of WV dealership) who became a drug addict and consequently committed suicide.
Now he is a young boy, who inherrited a lot of money (inlcuidng insurance money) does not have to work, party all the time and having all that money also comes addictions.
Posted by: MF | July 27, 2005 01:30 PM
That's not Lorenzo! That's another pic, Lorenzo looks nothing like that if you're referring to the son of the VW dealership owner.
Lorenzo's father was Paul van Rijn, he was a completely different man from PVDS.
Lorenzo is a gabber, shaved head, long skinny pale guy.
Posted by: Disappointed Arubian | July 27, 2005 11:54 AM
VAN RIJN IM- EN EXPORT N.V.
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=11046R & S GO-KART RACING-TRACK ARUBA N.V. F
http://206.48.100.138/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=15203VAN RIJN-VAN TRAKSEL ASTRID LOUISE 123-K SAVANETA
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htmDeath Information for Paul van Rijn:
Achternaam = Surname
Rijn van
Voornaam = Distinguished
Paul
Geboren = Born
Haarlem 27-12-1958
Echtgen./Weduw. = Widow
E Astrid Traksel
Overleden = Died
Aruba 20-10-2001
Datum krant = Date newspaper
25-10-2001
http://Http://www.members.lycos.nl/bidprentjes/2001/2001r.htmOf course I don't know who the sperm donor was.
Just saying he is said to be the son of Paul and Astrid...
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4161.465_______________________________________________________
Lorenzo's dad is a member of the Aruban paramillitary, skilled at black ops, etc, during the unrest during the 1970s.
Posted by: Monty | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:32 PM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html#commentssandraK posted on July 17, 2006 at 05:41:54 AM:
Lorenzo Van Rijn is 28 now.and Still has NOT met Joran or Paul.
He has nothing to do with this case.
akband27 posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:36:26 PM:
why was Joran being picked up at Lorenzos house the next morning then? answer that...
Rob posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:52:13 PM:
Joran stayed at Lorenzos in the days before Natalee went missing...everyone was gone to Holland but joran.. he stayed there with Lorenzo....Im getting some more info on this but I will wait to get the whole story before saying anymore...
GrannyToad posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:59:36 PM:
Rob you just knocked me flat over. I hate when you do that.
Rob posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:59:36 PM:
Sorry GT.. I dont know everything yet.. I do know that much so far...he was totally unaccounted for while the rest of the family was out of town...I suspect he was driving a vehicle owned by someone other that a family member.. he was getting around some how...He was going to the casino and other events, and he wasnt relying on deeeeepak for all of those rides...
He is a close associate of lorenzo, who also just had his name de-capitalized.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4095.msg130307#msg130307I will talk to you later about Vadir Van Loen. Someone Named HARRY is getting him mixed up with my Pal, Lorenzo Van Rijn.
;^)
Posted by: Key West | Sunday, January 22, 2006 at 08:12 AM
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