Natalee Case Discussion #686 10/14 - 10/22

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Here is Part 2 from Natalee's Freebirds:

In The Face of Evil ~ May 30, 2005
 
Crimes Committed Against Natalee Holloway ~ Part 2
 
With a plan firmly in the minds of Joran and Paulus van der Sloot, they then made preparations to put that plan into action.

Were Paulus and Joran finalizing the details with Koen Gottenbos to take Miss Holloway's remains out to sea?
 

 



NO BODY, NO CASE ~ Paulus Van Der Sloot


TWITTY: Yes, there was a boat that Joran mentioned in one of his statements on June 9. It's actually a friend of his. It's Coon's (ph) father has a boat. And from what I'd understood, that there was some activity with that boat during the early morning hours of May 30, when these boys took Natalee. To what extent, we don't know. Whether forensics were done, whether the boat was searched, there's been a lot of speculation, but I really don't have any concrete follow-up information of what they actually did to the Coon's father's boat.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


What was the true purpose Joran was dropped off by Paulus at the Racquet Club?

We believe there were two reasons for these actions:

1. To bring all other evidence to an area near the boat launch in his gym bag - Miss Holloway's clothing and personal effects she had on her person the previous night, and any/all soiled clothing of Joran's.

2. To coordinate with Koen Gottenbos the timing of his boat being at the boat launch for Joran and Paulus' use.
 

 

 



 
JORAN SAID AT APPROXIMATELY 5:00 HE IS DROPPED OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB


 
At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club. Between the hours of 16.00 pm and 17.00 pm, I had done my homework and also "chatted". I do not remember with who I chatted. It could be possible that I chatted to Deepak because he does that a lot from where he works. I am not sure about that
JVDS 6-14

Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We spoke that it was cowardly/weak and that no one was there.
JVDS 6-14

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED JORAN OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB AT 5:00 OR LATER. DOESN'T REMEMBER FOR SURE IF HE WENT INSIDE

To your question what I did after 16.15 hours, I can state the following. I think I dropped Joran off at the “Raquet Club” at approximately 17.00 hours. I could have been later though. I cannot exactly remember anymore.
To your question whether I saw Joran enter the “Raquet Club”, I can state the following. If I drop off Joran he normally walks inside. As far as I can remember he did do that at this occasion too but I do not know for sure
PVDS - 6/23

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED JORAN OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB BETWEEN 5:00 AND 6:30. SEES HIM GO INSIDE

Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Racquet Club with my Suzuki so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym. He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the building.
PVDS 6-18

6:00 JORAN SAYS HIS TENNIS LESSON STARTED

My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself
JVDS 6-14

6:00 DEEPAK SAYS HE CALLS JORAN - JORAN SAYS HE IS AT THE WYNDHAM WITH GUIDO

I had called Joran at approximately 18.00 hours. I just asked him how he was. Joran was at that moment in time together with a friend of us named Guido in the casino at “Wyndham”
DEEPAK 6-11

At about 18.00 hours, I called Joran on his mobile phone. I had called him with the telephone from where I work. The phone number there is 588xxxx. I asked Joran, how he was doing and if he had gone to school. )
I forgot what he told me, but I asked him subsequently what he was doing now. Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham and that he was there together with our friend Guido
DEEPAK 6-13

To your question as to when I called Joran on that Monday and asked him where he was and with whom Joran said that he was with in the casino, I can say the following. Joran told me that he and Guido were together at the "Wyndham" casino. That was about 18.00 hours
DEEPAK 6-16


7:00 JORAN SAYS HIS TENNIS LESSON ENDED

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice/proper. I also wore slippers
JVDS 6-14

ART WOOD IS QUOTED AS SAYING WHEN HE INVESTIGATED, HE DISCOVERED JORAN NEVER PLAYED TENNIS THAT NIGHT

Former U.S. Secret Service agent Art Wood, who spent months on the island investigating the case, told The National Enquirer: "Joran told police that he played tennis with a friend during the evening hours. And the pal backed up his alibi.”
"But when I investigated the Racquet Club I found that Joran had never played tennis there that night."
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63342


JORAN ADIMTS HE DID NOT PLAY TENNIS AFTER ALL THAT DAY

Paul drops Joran off at the RC at 6:15, but none of his friends are there so he doesn't feel like playing tennis. He gives his trainer an excuse and goes to the gym where he meets Koen. They talk a while and then they ask Andre, David, and Joran's tennis buddy "Marco" (Guido) if they want to play poker at the Wyndham. Marco says he has to work until 10:00 in the HI casino. Andre says his dad will join them in the game. Joran calls Paul and asks permission, saying Marco will bring him home after, Paul says OK. Joran takes off his tennis shoes and puts on flip flops. He walks from the RC past the Salinja to the beach, then via the beach he reaches the Wyndham at 6:45 (Note: book doesn't mention looking for his shoes).
Joran van der Sloot - Joran's Book - PAGE 98

JORAN DELIBERATELY LEAVES HIS GYM BAG AT THE RACQUET CLUB

At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I wa s alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those
JVDS 6-14


7:02 PM = Sunset (the 48% illuminated moon has not risen, yet)

AOL Timeline

Was this phone call from Joran to Deepak made from the water?
 


 
VAN DER STRAATEN DOES A REPORT ON A 19:25 PHONE CALL (7:25 PM)
 



From available information it has become clear that on May 30th 2005 around 19:25 from number 588-xxxx (Deepak Kalpoe’s work location) received a call to number 562-xxxx which is the cell phone number of Joran van der Sloot.

According to cell-id in the records this information was transmitted on mast 9181 (Casa del Mar/Eagle and after 2.28 minutes on the mast 9123 (Hadishibana – Lighthouse).

 
The Racquet Club is directly East of the Marriott, and the fisherman's huts. Fisherman's Huts are 300 yards NORTH of the boat launch, which is right by the Holiday Inn.

The Wyndham is at the South end of the high-rise hotels on Palm Beach - with only Divi Phoenix and the Mill Resort being further South of them..............all of which is still to the North of the Bird Sanctuary.

Now if we look at the map van der Straten drew, and a map of where the hotels sit, we have this:

Casa Del Mar mast id # 9181 is South of Hadishibana/Lighthouse mast id # 9123. That tells us that Joran's phone was traveling NORTH from the Holiday Inn/boat launch area - in the direction of the Lighthouse (or Mariott).

There are several more cell tower (masts) further South than the 9181 Casa Del Mar tower that covers the Holiday Inn.

Also - that cell tower (mast) covers ONLY the area around the HOLIDAY INN, doesn't even serve the area of the Marriott..............the Hadishibana/Lighthouse mast serves that area.

In fact - the ONLY hotels that mast (9181) serves are (starting with the Holiday Inn, and heading SOUTH):


Holiday Inn
*Playa Linda
*Hyatt Regency
*Brickell Bay Beach Club
*Allegro

* Denotes these hotels are served by additional cell towers (masts) in addition to 9181

We believe from this point forward, after the disposal of Miss Holloway's remains, Joran was attempting to create a very public alibi for his whereabouts that evening, via the casino surveillance cameras.
 
Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

[JusticeforNatalee]

Notice how Paulus "can't remember" answers to the most straightforward and basic questions.

Did Joran go inside or not, Paulus? It's a simple question.
Paulus, might you be lying or hiding something?

Thanks to the Freebirds for outstanding research and dedication.
Your articles are well put together and make a lot of sense.

[Lala'sMom]

Would someone please give a brief synopsis of the important things Beth relates tonigh ton Dana's show?  I am still on my old computer and the sound does not work on this one.  TIA

[klaasend]

Would someone please give a brief synopsis of the important things Beth relates tonigh ton Dana's show?  I am still on my old computer and the sound does not work on this one.  TIA

Will do Lala's.  Also I'd bet Heli at RU will do a transcript so I'll watch for that too 

[klaasend]

Would someone please give a brief synopsis of the important things Beth relates tonigh ton Dana's show?  I am still on my old computer and the sound does not work on this one.  TIA

But if you have questions for Beth, you should post those in the comment area on the front page of SM.  She will try to answer all she can.

[Dayhiker]

Notice how Paulus "can't remember" answers to the most straightforward and basic questions.

Did Joran go inside or not, Paulus? It's a simple question.
Paulus, might you be lying or hiding something?

Thanks to the Freebirds for outstanding research and dedication.
Your articles are well put together and make a lot of sense.

The part I find interesting Justice is that Joran plainly lies about taking his tennis lesson and then later recants his testimony. This should have been cut and dry. The day after Natalee goes missing he would have been cognizant of everything he did that day, and he chooses to lie? What that says is that he was doing something suspicious that day and like so many other times when he finds himself trapped in a lie he changes the story.

[Tamikosmom]

Notice how Paulus "can't remember" answers to the most straightforward and basic questions.

Did Joran go inside or not, Paulus? It's a simple question.
Paulus, might you be lying or hiding something?

Thanks to the Freebirds for outstanding research and dedication.
Your articles are well put together and make a lot of sense.

Scared Monkeys Video Paul Van Der Sloot Memory Lapses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiVKwLpsza0&mode=related&search=

[Lala'sMom]

Would someone please give a brief synopsis of the important things Beth relates tonigh ton Dana's show?  I am still on my old computer and the sound does not work on this one.  TIA

But if you have questions for Beth, you should post those in the comment area on the front page of SM.  She will try to answer all she can.

Okay, posted my questions...you know I had some. 

[klaasend]

Would someone please give a brief synopsis of the important things Beth relates tonigh ton Dana's show?  I am still on my old computer and the sound does not work on this one.  TIA

But if you have questions for Beth, you should post those in the comment area on the front page of SM.  She will try to answer all she can.

Okay, posted my questions...you know I had some. 

Ah - good questions! 

[truthseeker2]

Notice how Paulus "can't remember" answers to the most straightforward and basic questions.

Did Joran go inside or not, Paulus? It's a simple question.
Paulus, might you be lying or hiding something?

Thanks to the Freebirds for outstanding research and dedication.
Your articles are well put together and make a lot of sense.

The part I find interesting Justice is that Joran plainly lies about taking his tennis lesson and then later recants his testimony. This should have been cut and dry. The day after Natalee goes missing he would have been cognizant of everything he did that day, and he chooses to lie? What that says is that he was doing something suspicious that day and like so many other times when he finds himself trapped in a lie he changes the story.

But Dayhiker, don't you know that as a suspect he is supposed to lie?  It's expected!!  That's the system they have that we just don't understand.

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas ... I am again experiencing difficulty with the FP comment section.  The comments are particially obscured with SM Links.  Would you please do whatever you did before to rectify this problem.

Thank you

Janet

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Klaas ... I am again experiencing difficulty with the FP comment section.  The comments are particially obscured with SM Links.  Would you please do whatever you did before to rectify this problem.

Thank you

Janet

Janet - sure I'll go see what the problem is

[klaasend]

Klaas ... I am again experiencing difficulty with the FP comment section.  The comments are particially obscured with SM Links.  Would you please do whatever you did before to rectify this problem.

Thank you

Janet

Janet - sure I'll go see what the problem is

I did find one long url that would cause problems and fixed it but it was for an older post, the Palm Beach one with Jorge Pasquera.  Let me know if that fixes your problem, OK?

[Dayhiker]

The part I find interesting Justice is that Joran plainly lies about taking his tennis lesson and then later recants his testimony. This should have been cut and dry. The day after Natalee goes missing he would have been cognizant of everything he did that day, and he chooses to lie? What that says is that he was doing something suspicious that day and like so many other times when he finds himself trapped in a lie he changes the story.

But Dayhiker, don't you know that as a suspect he is supposed to lie?  It's expected!!  That's the system they have that we just don't understand.

Some system huh, TS? I would rather trust my welfare to a clatch of baboons. When you read over all of Joran's lies and  inconsistencies it explains why his first statments are missing, the ones Jacobs didn't tear up that is. Remember, they are locked into his first statement as a witness, the one Paulus "edited." Then there are the others that have never been made public. One can only surmise they are incriminating. After turning over the K2 statements to the black security guards' lawyers, the prosecutor withheld Joran's statements saying they were irrelevant, even though he admits telling the same story the Kalpoes told. It pays to have Dutch buddies in high places.

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Klaas

Did not work!  It may be a problem from my end.  I may contact my youngest son and ask him to drop by later and have a boo ... it is on his way home from work.

Thank you for trying ... it was appreciated.

Janet

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[Anna]

The part I find interesting Justice is that Joran plainly lies about taking his tennis lesson and then later recants his testimony. This should have been cut and dry. The day after Natalee goes missing he would have been cognizant of everything he did that day, and he chooses to lie? What that says is that he was doing something suspicious that day and like so many other times when he finds himself trapped in a lie he changes the story.

But Dayhiker, don't you know that as a suspect he is supposed to lie?  It's expected!!  That's the system they have that we just don't understand.

Some system huh, TS? I would rather trust my welfare to a clatch of baboons. When you read over all of Joran's lies and  inconsistencies it explains why his first statments are missing, the ones Jacobs didn't tear up that is. Remember, they are locked into his first statement as a witness, the one Paulus "edited." Then there are the others that have never been made public. One can only surmise they are incriminating. After turning over the K2 statements to the black security guards' lawyers, the prosecutor withheld Joran's statements saying they were irrelevant, even though he admits telling the same story the Kalpoes told. It pays to have Dutch buddies in high places.

Remember Joran quickly changed his story to DEEPAK saw Natalee with the security guard.  This was one of the first changes he made in his story.

It then evolved tremendously as he learned that it is highly illegal to be doing things to an unconscious person.  His final story bears little resemblance to the one he was first telling on the night Beth arrived.  He and Paulus had to do a lot of refining.