Natalee Case Discussion #686 10/14 - 10/22

[Magnolia]

Thanks Snoopy!  I had picked up on the very things you picked out of the email.
Those things did not come from Deepak. IMO

[klaasend]

Here is part 3 of the 6 part series from Natalee's Freebirds:

In The Face of Evil ~ May 30, 2005
 
Crimes Committed Against Natalee Holloway ~ Part 3
 
Paulus van der Sloot gave numerous conflicting statements about his activities between the hours of 4:00 pm and 8:00 pm the night of May 30th, 2005.

What was really transpiring during that time?


We surmise that Paulus had retrieved monies during his second trip to the CMB bank that afternoon - and the next few hours of his time were spent in such nefarious ways that he deliberately caused massive confusion about his own timeline.


 



FISHERMAN'S HUTS ARE BROKEN INTO, AND ITEMS ARE STOLEN

According to Police the huts were broken into around the time of her disappearance; a large knife and a huge steel fishing cage were stolen
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=827

DOMPIG: What is officially reported as stolen, though, is a big knife, and out of one of the fisher—fisherman‘s huts or—yes, where they keep their stuff, you could say. And that‘s the basis for us to search in the ocean.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9827906/

THERE IS A PUBLIC BOAT LAUNCH IN BETWEEN THE HOLIDAY INN AND THE MARRIOTT


 


Coming from the holiday inn, continue straight for another hundred yards. turn left and head towards large construction mess at Marriott Surf.
then turn left and follow straight. parking will be on the right near the boat ramp and slips
http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php=3ft=3d59


Here's why: Just 300 yards away from the boat launch is a series of fishing huts that have become infamous on the island. In sworn statements, the three lead suspects in Natalee's disappearance -- Joran van der Sl oot, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe -- told Police that they left Natalee at those fishing huts the night of her disappearance.
11-5 “America’s Most Wanted” correspondent RICK SEGALL
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=827

Police have told Dave that the night after Natalee's disappearance [5-30/31], a boat was launched from an input just down the beach from the "Holiday Inn" where Natalee stayed.
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=827

HOLLOWAY: As far as Natalee's case, no. We did see a cross that somebody erected right there where the boat launch is and had her initials put up on the corner. We took pictures and that was the last day I stayed on the island.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/11/lkl.01.html



PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED OFF JORAN AT THE RACQUET CLUB, WENT HOME, HAD DINNER WITH THE BOYS AND WENT TO BED

I immediately went home, had dinner with the other boys and after that I went to bed.
PVDS 6-18


PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED JORAN OFF AT THE RACQUET CLUB AND WENT HOME

I cannot say because after I had dropped him off, I went home.
PVDS 6-23

Rita, the van der Sloot maid was at the home at 4:30 pm that day. Was she still there at this time, and could her knowledge have been a cause for Paulus to become so forgetful about his actions?

PAULUS CHANGES THE DROP OFF TIME, AND WENT HOME AND HAD DINNER WITH THE OTHER TWO BOYS

Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym. He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the building. He had told me that he would afterwards be going to the Wyndham Hotel because a “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” would be held. I immediately went home, had dinner with the other boys and after that I went to bed.
PVDS 6-18


Paulus must have been seen making his second trip to the Racquet Club to retrieve the bag Joran had left there for him, in readiness for the trip to sea with Miss Holloway's remains, and tries to explain away his actions.

PAULUS SAYS HE WENT HOME AFTER DROPPING OFF JORAN - WAS HOME AT 6:00

CANNOT NOW REMEMBER WHETHER HE DROPPED JORAN'S BAG OFF LATER

ALSO NOW CANNOT REMEMBER WHETHER HE PICKED UP HIS TWO OTHER SONS

To your question whether I subsequently went to the “Raquet Club”
to pick up his sports bag that he left behind there, I can state the following.
I cannot remember. To the best of my recollection I did not return to the
“Raquet Club” after I dropped off Joran.

I am not 100% sure of that. But if I had gone back to then it would
not have been to pick up the bag alone but also to bring Joran home.
At approximately 18.00 on Monday May 30th 2005 I would have been home.
I cannot remember anymore if I picked up Sebastian and Valentijn or whether they were dropped off at our home because during the time Anita was away there was not fixed structure to that. I think I did eat dinner with Valentijn
and Sebastian.
PVDS 6-23

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED OFF THE BAG AT THE RACQUET CLUB AT 8:00 AND THINKS HE GOES TO PICK UP SEBASTIAN, BUT HE IS NOT CERTAIN

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family. Again I am not sure. This image comes in my head, but I had no reason at that moment to remember any of these things. I had done a lot on automatic pilot. Sure when it came to pickup and bring the kids back. I also don't know the relevance of this fact
PVDS 6-25

Remember Joran stated he asked for Paulus' permission to play in the tournament over the phone, not in person. What was the real reason for that phone call?

PAULUS SAID HE DROPPED THE BAG OFFTO JORAN AT 8:00 WHILE JORAN WAS WALKING TO THE WYNDHAM

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Racquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Racquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up.
PVDS 6-25


By this time, the disposal of Miss Holloway's remains has been completed, and Paulus has moved on to problem number two. How to protect his son from having administered a date rape drug to his victim, by educating himself on the effects of those drugs.

8:34-8:37 ACCORDING TO A POLICE REPORT PAULUS IS SUPPOSEDLY ON THE INTERNET LOOKING UP DRUGS, ETC

According to an ARUBAN Police report (available here; Thank You and Hat Tip to “klaasend”) analyzing the computer hardrive records of the Suspects VAN DER SLOOT home computer that was found during the June 15, 2005 search and seizure to be physically located inside the Suspects VAN DER SLOOT main home, someone logged onto the computer as Former Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT, and logs into several Internet pages via separate Google image searches of the words “alcohol,” then “alcohol“ and “beer,” then “drugs.” Links clicked on to open were for alcohol and drugs, and an attorney’s site. Several computer-HTML images were also uploaded to the Suspects SLOOT’s computer hardrive into a file entitled, “alcohol.”
AOL TIMELINE
 
Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

[Rob]

Yea I can see them all sitting by the pool.  Paulus is on the pnone with Anita cause she runs the show.  Paulus sweating so bad it's keeping the pool full, and him telling the boys oh Deepak you must protect Joran.  He's such a good boy.  Mommy says he's such a sporter and all. You don't want him to lose his scholorship do you ya loser.  You stay at the internet cafe.  I'll buy it for you if you help us.  You were there too.  You're just as guilty.    Don't worry boys no body no case.  Think how bad this will be for Aruba if this gets out what you did to her.  I'm a judge don't ya know.  I'll throw you under the bus if you don't do exactly as I say.  Your mama says everybody lies.  I'll pay for your attorneys. I'll send Joran with you to make sure you put all the important stuff in the email. azzwipes.

Dang now I'm pizzed. 

Justice for Natalee

and somehow the internet cafe got transferred to Mr. Ramirez. Looks like a pay off. Always did.

The one reason that I can not accept that Joran and Deepak alone wrote the email, was because Paulus was running the show from the first minutes. He has to he knew he was on that casino video. He has a vested interest beyond protecting his son. So Paulus know Joran is too stupid to keep his mouth shut and even gets word to him in jail not to talk. So he or Anita are giving all the orders. I just can't see how anyone would allow Joran or Deepak to compose an important email without implicating themselves.

Seems like a big risk for a guy that said no corpse - no case. In others words, Paulus goes to all the trouble to making sure there is not enough evidence (lacking body - having his buddies block the search of his house) and then allowing an email to go out without him or Anita really knowing all about it? Seems very risky imo.

[Lala'sMom]

Since I have never read Dave's book, would someone that does have it tell me who the police officer was that told Dave about the boat?  I would really appreciate it. TIA

[snoopy]

Good point Rob.  Perhaps Paulus didn't know that Deepak and Joran sent "Betty" an email.  Maybe Paulus didn't have Joran "under control" yet.  Can't see how Paulus would knowingly allow any communication with an outside source.  Joran does/gets what Joran wants.

[snoopy]

Since I have never read Dave's book, would someone that does have it tell me who the police officer was that told Dave about the boat?  I would really appreciate it. TIA

Sorry Lala's I don't have the book here with me.  Can't remember.

Klaas      Thank you for bringing over Natalees Freebirds.  They are amazing

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Snoopy. Maybe Deepak was dumb enough to think that email exonerated him of any guilt?  Then again he is still in Aruba and working in a family owned business.  Maybe he did get his reward for towing the party line.   

[snoopy]

Thanks Snoopy. Maybe Deepak was dumb enough to think that email exonerated him of any guilt?  Then again he is still in Aruba and working in a family owned business.  Maybe he did get his reward for towing the party line.  

It's not over yet.  Don't give up hope.  Justice is coming.

[jackb]

It prolly went down like this.

1. Deepak needs an alibi... but not someone he will drag into what he and the goon child created. Someone far away and not related to the pimps.

2. He goes through his list of buddies and sees someone he corresponded with once or twice. Hence her surprise at receiving the email. The last part is probably true. She was surprised to see Deepak in her inbox. Thinking - What the heck is that loser emailing me for.

3. J/P/A via Deepak sets up Deepak unknown to Deepak at the time. And prolly still unknown to Deepak today.

Prolly?   P-r-o-b-a-b-l-y  = probably.

[2NJSons_Mom]

It prolly went down like this.

1. Deepak needs an alibi... but not someone he will drag into what he and the goon child created. Someone far away and not related to the pimps.

2. He goes through his list of buddies and sees someone he corresponded with once or twice. Hence her surprise at receiving the email. The last part is probably true. She was surprised to see Deepak in her inbox. Thinking - What the heck is that loser emailing me for.

3. J/P/A via Deepak sets up Deepak unknown to Deepak at the time. And prolly still unknown to Deepak today.

Prolly?   P-r-o-b-a-b-l-y  = probably.

   Not sure if you are agreeing with Rob or giving  English 101....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prolly

1. Prolly  237 up, 34 down 
 
 Shortened version of "probably". Typically used in online conversations, although REALLY lazy people have started using it in verbal conversations as well...

I'm feeling lazy so I prolly won't bother doing homework.

by Sarah Feb 4, 2004 email it
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2. prolly  115 up, 24 down 
 
 Web-slang abbreviation of "probably". Used extensively in forums and instant messsaging worldwide.

Red: I'll prolly cream my shorts when they release Halo 2.
Blue: You're such a cockbite.

by SticKboy Apr 14, 2004 email it
3. prolly  97 up, 35 down 
 
 new word for probably.

I prolly have forgotten any basic English I learned in school.

by raindance Aug 18, 2003 email it

[Rob]

Anywhoo-

A-N-Y-W-H-O-O = L-M-A-O

[Anna]

On Freebirds latest post, I thought Joran rode the school bus to the racquet club.  Anyone else remember it that way?  I prolly have that wrong.   come across


 

[Kimmy53]

Anywhoo-

A-N-Y-W-H-O-O = L-M-A-O

 

Hiya Monkeys! Work is Hell

[sharon]

JMHO about the Deepak emails.......

If in fact Deepak sent the emails, and it was sent from his computer then Joran was sitting right there with him.

1.  There are too many details from Deepak about Joran winning money back for Natalee at the black jack table.  And how Natalee just begged Joran to meet her at C&C's  (Don't that make you wanty to throw up) IMO these are Joran's words.

2.  Either Deepak still doesn't have a clue yet (on June 5th)  that PVDS isn't a Judge, but a loser or Joran is still pushing his way around bragging how daddy is some kind of big shot.  This could be from Deepak or Joran.  And the part about how Joran is a straight A student has to be from Joran.  I doubt these words are from Deepak.

3.  Joran has a full scholorship to a school in the us?  Joran's words.  Not Deepak's. IMO

4.  The email Deepak sends on the 6th stating that they are almost off the hook.  2 security guards arrested.  He's feeling pretty confident now.  Prolly Deepak's words.  In this second email there is no bragging statements about Joran.  Joran prolly wasn't there when this email was send.

I'd put money that Joran and Deepak wrote the 1st email together.

JMHO

I hate them all.

Rock On!!

with some editing rights from Anita  ^5

WW is part of the 'let's frame Deepak' team, imo. Always thought that when I read her posts. Then I found the 'ignore' button.

JMO

[Rob]

Anywhoo-

A-N-Y-W-H-O-O = L-M-A-O

 

Hiya Monkeys! Work is Hell

Hi Ya Kimmy!

[snoopy]

Anywhoo-

A-N-Y-W-H-O-O = L-M-A-O

 

[sharon]

Per WW today at RU:

Wonderwoman wrote:

The whole story is so small world...I know an older woman who vacations in Aruba annually and happened to befriend a young man an at internet cafe where she checks her email. They email occasionally over time....joke emails mostly.....then a girl disappears...she asks her buddy in aruba if he's heard the news....and lo and behold he IS the news!!! 

Oh, brother!

She needs to take Deepaks' advice and stop the bs already.

[Anna]

Per WW today at RU:

Wonderwoman wrote:

The whole story is so small world...I know an older woman who vacations in Aruba annually and happened to befriend a young man an at internet cafe where she checks her email. They email occasionally over time....joke emails mostly.....then a girl disappears...she asks her buddy in aruba if he's heard the news....and lo and behold he IS the news!!! 

Oh, brother!

She needs to take Deepaks' advice and stop the bs already.

Lo and behold?  My, what a coincidence.

[klaasend]

Here is Natalee's Freebirds, In the Face of Evil part 3 in Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8HcDGFWYsY

[Magnolia]

Great Music!  It makes ole sweaty Paulus even more frightening.
Gave me chills.