Natalee Case Discussion #686 10/14 - 10/22

[Rob]

- Dompig quotes remain problematic to Ks. Jossy/Dompig taped meeting cited as an admission favoring defense.

We never heard the rest of this tape. Jossy said he would get it translated and give it to FOX - more specifically - Kimberley Guilfoyle.

Amazing how that Dompig interview with Jossy got jerked from airing on Fox News, isn't it Rob? Question for you. Who from Aruba would have had it pulled? Prosecutor, KLPD. ALE? Would have had to have been somebody with tremendous pull and insight into where the investigation was going. You think?

Dayhiker - no idea...sorry. Speculating here - could this be what led to the MEP boycott of Diario?

[Rob]

oranjestad(aan): diahuebs eric f.d.m owing to present fast of huez, after cu past owing to wordo acusa of owing to maltrata one person severamente.den rapport of police have stop cu the. riba15 of july 2007 owing to strike one person cu botter on cabez, causando one possible hersenschudding y dunando the person one cicatriz at his cabez.

Hit someone on the head with a bottle. Person taken to hospital.

Someone else is going to get killed in that dump.

[klaasend]

Dr. Phil 10/17 response posted on BFN / Legal Docs Section   -   H/T  Jane

"No more time, enough is enough. Plaintiffs application for a stay should be denied and Defendants should be awarded their attorneys' fees."

- Dr. Phil's lawyers sound fed up, and present a good argument for dismissal, IMO.

- TeamKalpoe does not follow directions very well, IMO.

- Dr.Phil's lawyers say that the 12/31 prosecutor's *promise* means nothing.

- Also that even if suspect status is removed, TeamK has already stated full disclosure will not happen.

- Zero response to latest document ruling, not even the NFI tape report.

- Dompig quotes remain problematic to Ks. Jossy/Dompig taped meeting cited as an admission favoring defense.

Judge Fern's response should be interesting. December...i think.

eta: Kinda funny. TeamK trusts Klaas' translations but not Dr. Phil?    They must have directed Dr. Phil to SM for discovery...to elicit this response...

"Some info may be found on various blogs on the Internet but that is unsatisfactory for obvious evidentiary reasons."

[greeneyedlady]

Jonathan45



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
Posts: 126

 Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject:   

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LOOKING BACK IV

Beth wrote on page 45 that when Paulus came to the gate to answer the door after 5 minutes of sounding horns and sirenes [Tuesday, May 31 2005] at 3.00am he already knew Joran wasn't at home. In his hands he had a cell phone of which we don't know if it was his own or Anita's cell phone. Paulus called Joran and told the police that Joran was in a pokertournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel

Joran stated in his book on page 100 that he wasn't in a pokertournament at the Wyndham Casino at the time his dad called him that night... He just left the Radisson Cassino and was on his way to Oranjestad to play blackjack because Deepak had no luck in the Radisson Casino when he played blackjack. During this drive just before passing the Wyndham, Paulus called him to asked where he was.


to be continued.
 

[klaasend]

Posted by MF at RU regarding the bones that washed ashore in Aruba near the Natural Bridge back in August 2007:

MF Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:13 am   

It has been confirmed that the bones found near the Natural Bridge area (called Bok'i Brik) was from the sunken ship "HERO".
The German boat sank en route to Maracaibo, Venezuela on the night of 17-18 August 1886 during a hurricane. Of the 6 persons
on board, only one survived. The investigation was completed by the Aruba Archeologic Museum and Forensic Institute of Leiden. 

[Lala'sMom]

I wonder how much the Kalpoes will have to cough up for those attorney fees?  Might the Internet Cafe be enough to satisfy that debt?  Too bad it's not in Deepak's name. 

[klaasend]

I wonder how much the Kalpoes will have to cough up for those attorney fees?  Might the Internet Cafe be enough to satisfy that debt?  Too bad it's not in Deepak's name. 

Won't that just be too good!  The Kalpoes go from being rich beyond their wildest dreams to owing more in legal fees than the two will earn in their lifetime 

[Lala'sMom]

Would Dr. Phil have access to any wages earned by Deepak?  The debt will have to be paid off in some way.  Maybe he can surrender his car.

[klaasend]

Would Dr. Phil have access to any wages earned by Deepak?  The debt will have to be paid off in some way.  Maybe he can surrender his car.

Car, wages, don't know if Dr. Phil can go after the Kalpoe parents though.

[Dayhiker]

I wonder how much the Kalpoes will have to cough up for those attorney fees?  Might the Internet Cafe be enough to satisfy that debt?  Too bad it's not in Deepak's name. 

This will be revealing. Dr. Phil's attorney fees could easily be in the three-quarter to one million dollar range. No way the Kalpoes have that kind of money. If he is paid we can reasonably assume this was a state sponsored lawsuit by Aruba government. Who else would pay the Kalpoes' bills?

[Kiwi]

Posted by MF at RU regarding the bones that washed ashore in Aruba near the Natural Bridge back in August 2007:

MF Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:13 am   

It has been confirmed that the bones found near the Natural Bridge area (called Bok'i Brik) was from the sunken ship "HERO".
The German boat sank en route to Maracaibo, Venezuela on the night of 17-18 August 1886 during a hurricane. Of the 6 persons
on board, only one survived. The investigation was completed by the Aruba Archeologic Museum and Forensic Institute of Leiden. 

I've got a few questions on this. What parts of the boat were found to connect any body to ship wreck and did they carbon date the bones on Aruba or where? Just want to here the science rather than there title.

[Buckeye]

11/18/2005

MERCHANTS’ LAWSUIT

Some merchants are quite upset with the latest developments surrounding the case of Natalee Holloway, and expressed on Thursday that they are preparing a case against the complete production of Dr. Phil in the U.S.

This deals especially with the merchants whose business interests is that they do a lot of business with the U.S. The latest statements from this TV host is inflicting and continues to inflict damage to our island.

Thursday they were in contact with at least one very popular law firm in the U.S. in order to evaluate a possible lawsuit against Dr. Phil. It seems that the lawyers in the U.S. are convening to give the merchants from Aruba an answer about their questions if there is space for said lawsuit.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/merchants-in-aruba-are-upset-arubans.html


So maybe "the merchants" (? windsurfing?, bar owners, ....) decided to keep Aruba's name out of it and back K2??

[klaasend]

11/18/2005

MERCHANTS’ LAWSUIT

Some merchants are quite upset with the latest developments surrounding the case of Natalee Holloway, and expressed on Thursday that they are preparing a case against the complete production of Dr. Phil in the U.S.

This deals especially with the merchants whose business interests is that they do a lot of business with the U.S. The latest statements from this TV host is inflicting and continues to inflict damage to our island.

Thursday they were in contact with at least one very popular law firm in the U.S. in order to evaluate a possible lawsuit against Dr. Phil. It seems that the lawyers in the U.S. are convening to give the merchants from Aruba an answer about their questions if there is space for said lawsuit.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/merchants-in-aruba-are-upset-arubans.html


So maybe "the merchants" (? windsurfing?, bar owners, ....) decided to keep Aruba's name out of it and back K2??

Nice find! 

Merchants = AHATA? 

[wreck]

Would Dr. Phil have access to any wages earned by Deepak?  The debt will have to be paid off in some way.  Maybe he can surrender his car.

Which one? The bloosd soaked one or the "replacement." 

[msmarple]

kiwi - I saw this earlier today; decided not to decipher and post it. This is about the bones found near the atural bridge. What really grabbed me is that apparently the bones were found on 08/18/2007; the ship apparently sank 08/17-18/1886.
(klaas - there are some pictures too, if you want to grab them.)

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/10/19/

Na Natural Bridge...
E RESTONAN DI SKELET HAYA TABATA UN
HOMBER BLANCO DI ENTRE 30 Y 60 AÑA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Dia 18 di Augustus 2007 a haya algun weso cu ta sali for di suela  na e area di Natural Bridge/ Andicuri, mas specifico na e lugar yama Bok’i Brik. E Departamento Cientifico di Museo Arqueologico Aruba (MAA) a haci un excavacion di emergencia, na unda a habri un buraco di 1 x 1.50 m.

   E restonan di e skelet tabata dera riba un plateau di santo riba kalichi di un “omtrek” di 10 x 12m. E restonan di e skelet tabata parcialmente den nan contexto anatomico, esta e dos ‘scapula’ (schouderblad) y e man robes. Na e lugar caba a ripara cu e ribchinan y e ‘femurs’ (bovenbenen), tabata for di nan contexto anatomico. Despues na MAA a interpreta cu e ‘tibia’ (scheenbeen), y e ‘fibula’ (onderbeen) tambe tabata for di contexto. No a haya e cabez y cachete ni e ‘pelvis’ (bekken).

   Investigacion:  A haci un analisis fysico antropologico riba e restonan di e skelet y a conclui cu e restonan di e skelet ta pertenece na un hende homber Caucasio (blanco) cu tabata tin un estatura di 172.52 cm (±3.37 cm) y a muri na un edad entre 30 cu 60 aña, pero probable no tabata mas bieu cu 50 aña. Riba e femursnan a haya traumanan mecanico cu ta mustra cu e persona a haya sla duro riba su pia banda robez na momento cu el’a muri, probablemente ora e tabata ainda riba un barco of den lama. Riba su weso di lomba a detecta schooliosis, cu ta un deformacion lateral di e weso di lomba.

   Despues di su morto, ora ya e persona tabata dera, e wesonan di bil (bovenbenen) a ricibi traumanan mecanico, probablemente ocasiona door di mordi di un animal (porta cacho) y door di e forsa di instrumentonan cu a ser usa door di hende cu a habri ilegalmente e graf.

   Calculacionan di e estatura di e persona y e locacion di e weso di bil banda robes ta mustra cu e weso aki a ser poni back den e contexto robes, hunto cu e weso di bil banda drechi, ora a cera e graf back. Calculacionan di e estatura ta mustra cu e weso di bil tabata despropocional. Esaki ta probablemente directamente relaciona cu e deformacion di e weso di lomba (schooliosis). E restonan di e skelet ta mustra cu e persona no tabata haci labor duro.

   E posicion di e skelet y di e graf ta mustra cu a ser coba un buraco di 1 pa 1.50 m y cu un profundidad di 50 cm. E individuo tabata dera den un orientacion west-oost (cabes-pia), cara pa lama.
   E dos ‘femurs’ (bovenbenen) tabata poni boca abao mientras a haya algun ribchi te na su pia. Tabata obvio cu e graf a ser habri algun tempo pasa caba. Despues di a desentegra e graf e wesonan a ser dera back. Ta posibel cu e craneo y e heup a bay perdi a consequencia di e cobamentonan ilegal, aunque erosion tambe por a hunga un rol. Tambe ta posibel cu nan a bay perdi door di e horcan Dean. Aunque mas probable ta cu e contesta mester ser busca den un combinacion di actividadnan ilegal di habrimento/ cobamento di e graf, door cu curiosamenta no a haya ni un diente den e excavacion di emergencia.

   Historia:  Basa riba e report fisico antropologico, e estado di e wesonan, e actividadnan cultural historico den e area directo di e graf y e graf mes, e tabata duidelijk cu e wesonan di e skelet haya na Bok’i Bric tabata di un homber Caucasio (blanco) cu a biba entre 200 pa 100 aña pasa. Tur influencia Amerindio por ser descarta. Esey ta indica nos na e periodo historico, entre 1800 te 1900, relaciona cu actividadnan humano den e area Puente/ Andicuri.

   E prome dia di e hayazgo ya tabata tin indicacionan cla cu e wesonan tabata restonan di un persona cu a hoga den pasado, ora cu e barco cu e tabata riba dje a sink.E hende homber Caucasio (blanco) aki probablemente tabata un di e 6 miembronan di e barco Aleman “Hero”, cu a sink durante e horcan cu a pasa riba Aruba riba dia 17 di Augustus 1886. Tanto e estado y e color di e wesonan y e condicionan di e tera, e evidencianan cultural historico como e historia oral ta mustra den e direccion ey.

   Basa riba e historia y e fuentenan di informacion oral, por a bin na un reconstruccion di e desaster riba lama cu a conduci na e morto di e individual di Bok’i Bric. E locacion ya caba tabata conoci pa personanan cu ta y tabata biba den e area ey, cu tin grafnan di e miembronan di tripulacion cu a hoga e dia fatal ey. Es mas e boca na Puente/ Natural Bridge ta ser yama Bok’i Brik door di algun di nos grandinan, cu tambe ta un indicator fuerte.

   Despues di a haci tur e investigacion necesario di e actividadnan cultural historico den e area aki, a bira duidelijk cu tin diferente storia, tur basa riba hechonan y tur cu un punto en comun: un horcan teribel na 1886 a sink un barco net dilanti di e costa di Puente/ Andicuri. Solamente un persona a sobrebibi, mientras cu e otronan a hoga y a ser dera na e lugar cu awendia ainda ta ser yama Bok’i Brik.

   E boto “Hero” tabata na caminda di Maracaibo pa Europa y a sink den e anochi di 17 pa 18 Augustus 1886 na e costa nort-oost di Aruba na Andicuri.Tur tripulante, menos un, a hoga e anochi ey. Cu ayudo di hendenan local cu tabata biba den e area ey e tripulantenan a ser dera e dia despues na e lugar mes. E gezaghebber sr. D.Gaërste a paga pa e piedranan di e grafnan.

   Basa riba e evidencia fysico antropologico, cu ta mustra cu e persona aki no tabata haci trabao duro, ta hopi probabel cu e restonan di e skelet tabata di e capitan di e boto, esta sr. Johan Albers. Proteccion: E ta hopi lastima cu hendenan local a habri e graf(nan) pa rasonan personal y door di haci esey a destrui informacion cultural, historico y fysico antropologico. No solamente e grafnan a ser desentegra sino tambe e piedranan di e graf a ser bendi. E ta importante pa sigura cu actividadnan ilegal asina no ta ser ripiti den futuro den niun di nos lugarnan cultural arqueologico nacional.

  Mester concientiza pueblo di Aruba cu grafnan (historico) no mester ser habri bao di niun circumstancia. Solamente profesionalnan bao di condicionan estricto por haci esaki, den e caso di grafnan historico esaki ta e arqueologonan.

No ta e prome biaha cu un graf historico a ser coba ilegalmente. Diferente di e grafnan di comandeur (Hato, Sero Patrishi y Savaneta) a ser habri pa saqia. Tin hende cu ta kere cu ta leuk pa habri grafnan, manera na un lugar prehistorico na Malmok na unda hende a habri un graf y a laga nan inicialnan atras.

  Ta bon pa hende ta consciente cu esaki ta contra di ley y cu e ta destruccion di nos herencia cultural arqueologico nacional. E ta hopi importante cu den futuro, ora hayazgonan asina ser haci, cu MAA ta ser contacta inmediatamente, manera ta acorda den e cooperacion oficial di juli 2001 entre MAA y e polis di Aruba.

Online Pap translation:

at natural bridge...
the restonan of skelet achieve was one man blanco of among 30 y 60 year

oranjestad (aan): day 18 of august 2007 owing to achieve some bone cu is leave for of floor at the area of natural bridge/ andicuri, more specifico at the lugar calling bok’i brik. the departamento cientifico of museum arqueologico aruba (maa) owing to haci one excavacion of emergencia, at where owing to open one buraco of 1 x 1.50 m.

the restonan of the skelet was bury on one plateau of sand on kalichi of one “omtrek” of 10 x 12m. the restonan of the skelet was parcialmente in they contexto anatomico, esta the two ‘scapula’ (schouderblad) y the hand left. at the lugar end owing to ripara cu the ribchinan y the ‘femurs’ (bovenbenen), was for of they contexto anatomico. after at maa owing to interpreta cu the ‘tibia’ (scheenbeen), y the ‘fibula’ (onderbeen) also was for of contexto. not owing to achieve the cabez y cachete neither the ‘pelvis’ (bekken).

investigacion: owing to haci one analisis fysico antropologico on the restonan of the skelet y owing to conclui cu the restonan of the skelet is pertenece at a man caucasio (blanco) cu was have one estatura of 172.52 cm (±3.37 cm) y owing to die at one edad among 30 cu 60 year, but probable not was more old cu 50 year. on the femursnan owing to achieve traumanan mecanico cu is show cu the person owing to achieve sla duro on his leg near robez at instant cu el’a die, probably hour the was still on one barco or in lama. on his bone of back owing to detecta schooliosis, cu is one deformacion lateral of the bone of back.

after of his dead, hour already the person was bury, the wesonan of bil (bovenbenen) owing to ricibi traumanan mecanico, probably ocasiona door of mordi of one animal (porta cacho) y door of the compel of instrumentonan cu owing to being using door of person cu owing to open ilegalmente the cemetery.

calculacionan of the estatura of the person y the locacion of the bone of bil near left is show cu the bone here owing to being poni back in the contexto left, together cu the bone of bil near right, hour owing to close the cemetery back. calculacionan of the estatura is show cu the bone of bil was despropocional. this is probably directamente relaciona cu the deformacion of the bone of back (schooliosis). the restonan of the skelet is show cu the person not was haci job duro.

the posicion of the skelet y of the cemetery is show cu owing to being coba one buraco of 1 for 1.50 m y cu one profundidad of 50 cm. the individual was bury in one orientacion west-oost (cabes-pia), cara for lama.

the two ‘femurs’ (bovenbenen) was poni mouth abao while owing to achieve some ribchi till at his leg. was obvio cu the cemetery owing to being open some time happen end. after of owing to desentegra the cemetery the wesonan owing to being bury back. is possible cu the craneo y the heup owing to bay perdi owing to consequencia of the cobamentonan ilegal, aunque erosion also can owing to play one rol. also is possible cu they owing to bay perdi door of the horcan dean. aunque more probable is cu the contesta have to being busca in one combinacion of actividadnan ilegal of habrimento/ cobamento of the cemetery, door cu curiosamenta not owing to achieve neither one diente in the excavacion of emergencia.

historia: basa on the report fisico antropologico, the estado of the wesonan, the actividadnan cultural historico in the area directo of the cemetery y the cemetery self, the was duidelijk cu the wesonan of the skelet achieve at bok’i bric was of one man caucasio (blanco) cu owing to live among 200 for 100 year happen. all influencia amerindio can being descarta. esey is indica we at the period historico, among 1800 till 1900, relaciona cu actividadnan human in the area puente/ andicuri.

the first day of the hayazgo already was have indicacionan cla cu the wesonan was restonan of one person cu owing to hoga in pasado, hour cu the barco cu the was on dje owing to sink.e person man caucasio (blanco) here probably was one of the 6 miembronan of the barco german “hero”, cu owing to sink during the horcan cu owing to happen on aruba on day 17 of august 1886. tanto the estado y the color of the wesonan y the condicionan of the ground, the evidencianan cultural historico because; the history oral is show in the direccion ey.

basa on the history y the fuentenan of informacion oral, can owing to come at one reconstruccion of the catastrophe on lama cu owing to conduci at the dead of the individual of bok’i bric. the locacion already end was conoci for personanan cu is y was live in the area ey, cu have grafnan of the miembronan of tripulacion cu owing to hoga the day fateful ey. es more the mouth at puente/ natural bridge is being calling bok’i brik door of some of we grandinan, cu also is one indicator strong.

after of owing to haci all the investigacion necesario of the actividadnan cultural historico in the area here, owing to become duidelijk cu have various storia, all basa on hechonan y all cu one sharp provided that comun: one horcan terrible at 1886 owing to sink one barco just fast of the costa of puente/ andicuri. only one person owing to sobrebibi, while cu the others owing to hoga y owing to being bury at the lugar cu awendia still is being calling bok’i brik.

the boat “hero” was at caminda of maracaibo for europa y owing to sink in the night of 17 for 18 august 1886 at the costa nort-oost of aruba at andicuri.tur tripulante, less one, owing to hoga the night ey. cu aid of hendenan local cu was live in the area ey the tripulantenan owing to being bury the day after at the lugar self. the gezaghebber sr. d.gaërste owing to pay for her piedranan of the grafnan.

basa on the evidencia fysico antropologico, cu is show cu the person here not was haci trabao duro, is much probabel cu the restonan of the skelet was of the capitan of the boat, esta sr. johan albers. proteccion: the is much lastima cu hendenan local owing to open the graf(nan) for rasonan personal y door of haci esey owing to destrui informacion cultural, historico y fysico antropologico. not only the grafnan owing to being desentegra but also the piedranan of the cemetery owing to being bendi. the is important for sigura cu actividadnan ilegal so do not being ripiti in future in niun of we lugarnan cultural arqueologico nacional.

have to concientiza people of aruba cu grafnan (historico) not have to being open bao of niun circumstancia. only profesionalnan bao of condicionan estricto can haci this, in the caso of grafnan historico this is the arqueologonan.

do not the first trip cu one cemetery historico owing to being coba ilegalmente. various of the grafnan of comandeur (hato, hill patrishi y savaneta) owing to being open for saqia. have person cu is believe cu is leuk for open grafnan, as at one lugar prehistorico at malmok at where person owing to open one cemetery y owing to let they inicialnan behind.

is good for person is consciente cu this is contra of ley y cu the is destruccion of we herencia cultural arqueologico nacional. the is much important cu in future, hour hayazgonan so being haci, cu maa is being contacta at once, as is acorda in the cooperacion oficial of july 2001 among maa y the police of aruba.

[Lala'sMom]

Would Dr. Phil have access to any wages earned by Deepak?  The debt will have to be paid off in some way.  Maybe he can surrender his car.

Which one? The bloosd soaked one or the "replacement." 

You must be talking about the blood that was seen by others. That turned into chocolate.  That would have been the one thing that could have cemented the guilt of the perps...

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant

Just trying to liven things up in here...I will behave now. ( You can't see my fingers crossed, can you?)

[Rob]

11/18/2005

MERCHANTS’ LAWSUIT

Some merchants are quite upset with the latest developments surrounding the case of Natalee Holloway, and expressed on Thursday that they are preparing a case against the complete production of Dr. Phil in the U.S.

This deals especially with the merchants whose business interests is that they do a lot of business with the U.S. The latest statements from this TV host is inflicting and continues to inflict damage to our island.

Thursday they were in contact with at least one very popular law firm in the U.S. in order to evaluate a possible lawsuit against Dr. Phil. It seems that the lawyers in the U.S. are convening to give the merchants from Aruba an answer about their questions if there is space for said lawsuit.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/merchants-in-aruba-are-upset-arubans.html


So maybe "the merchants" (? windsurfing?, bar owners, ....) decided to keep Aruba's name out of it and back K2??

Nice find! 

Merchants = AHATA? 

More proof the boycott is kickin the crap outta that island. If true - Madame Jeanette is just the latest causality.

Keep bringin' those lawsuits Aruba.. keep em comin' love!

[vms]

I just got Andrew Hodges book.
There is a section titled Wonder Woman in Chapter 2. 

[Dayhiker]

11/18/2005

MERCHANTS’ LAWSUIT

Some merchants are quite upset with the latest developments surrounding the case of Natalee Holloway, and expressed on Thursday that they are preparing a case against the complete production of Dr. Phil in the U.S.

This deals especially with the merchants whose business interests is that they do a lot of business with the U.S. The latest statements from this TV host is inflicting and continues to inflict damage to our island.

Thursday they were in contact with at least one very popular law firm in the U.S. in order to evaluate a possible lawsuit against Dr. Phil. It seems that the lawyers in the U.S. are convening to give the merchants from Aruba an answer about their questions if there is space for said lawsuit.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/merchants-in-aruba-are-upset-arubans.html


So maybe "the merchants" (? windsurfing?, bar owners, ....) decided to keep Aruba's name out of it and back K2??

Well now, that solves that little mystery. Great find there Buckeye.

[klaasend]

I just got Andrew Hodges book.
There is a section titled Wonder Woman in Chapter 2. 

OMG, no way!  LOL