Natalee Case Discussion #686 10/14 - 10/22

[Rob]

Heli and WW going at it at RU 

 

not sure who to root for here... a speed typist or a speed freak

[Rob]

Jonathon 45 posted @ Scrux

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject:   

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LOOKING BACK III


"LOVING Natalee", The True Story of the Aruban Kidnapping and its Aftermath written by Beth Holloway.

In her book Beth Holloway reveals a lot about Paulus' behaviour from the moment Paulus was informed about a possible connection between a missing young American girl and his son Joran.

Two books on my desk. Two story lines to compare.

A crucial question and a definite answer

Was it PaulusVDS on the videotape at the blackjack table in the Excelsior Casino on Sundayevening May 29 2005 ?
Yes, indeed it was Paulus sitting next to Natalee.


to be continued.

Thank you GEL. If that is Paulus, the game is over IMO. The wiretap.

You're welcome, Dayhiker

But if Paulus has been dropped from suspect status, can they even charge him with anything again?

Ray Charles could tell it was PVDS.  In one of the "Crime Scene" videos of Greta and JVDS he makes a point of saying "I was there alone", why would he say that if he were not trying to cover for Papa!

and doesn't he jibber - jabber on and on about a 'man that looks like Paulus' in his tear jerker of a romance novel?

[klaasend]

Welcome to Aruba:

Candela grandi riba Dump di Parkietenbos        
Friday, 19 October 2007 

Diabierna banda di 1or di merdia a cuminsa un candela grandi na Dum unda cu bo por a wak e huma preto casi full rond di Aruba. Brandweer a wordo pidi pa asina presenta y wak kiko por haci cu e candela aki. 

Ora cu nos a yega nos por a wak cu tabata Tire cu tabata na candela y pesey e huma preto. Brandweer a bai cu 2 truck y a pidi pa bin cu e hoogwerker pa asina por ataca e candela di ariba y tambe pa saca awa di lama pa asina por combati e candela. No lo ta facil pa paga esaki. E contaminacion cu esaki ta trece cune ta grandi. polis a presenta pa tambe wak kiko ta pasando y check con e candela aki a cuminsa. Hopi hende a bin den e area pa wak kiko ta pasando.







Through translator:

candela big on dump of parkietenbos
friday, 19 october 2007

diabierna near of 1or of afternoon owing to cuminsa one candela big at dum where cu could you owing to look at the smoke black casi full rond of aruba. brandweer owing to wordo ask for so present y look at what can haci cu the candela here. hour cu we owing to arrive we can owing to look at cu was tire cu was at candela y pesey the smoke black. brandweer owing to go cu 2 truck y owing to ask for come cu the hoogwerker for so can ataca the candela of upstairs y also for saca water of lama for so can combati the candela. not will is facil for pay this. the contaminacion cu this is trece cune is big. police owing to present for also look at what is pasando y check con the candela here owing to cuminsa. much person owing to come in the area for look at what is pasando. come across
 
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/2674/5/

[Nut44x4]

Heli and WW going at it at RU 

 

not sure who to root for here... a speed typist or a speed freak

I have nothing to add today except LMFAO @ Klaas and Rob!! HAaaaaaaaa!

[Rob]

The dump is on fire again... wonder how they'll blame TES for that Klaas.

[dennisintn]

Heli and WW going at it at RU 

 

not sure who to root for here... a speed typist or a speed freak

I have nothing to add today except LMFAO @ Klaas and Rob!! HAaaaaaaaa!

 

what bone are they fighting over?  and is the fire at the dump where dave was looking for natalee?
dennnisintn

[Rob]

Dennis - I think it could be the same dump. It a combustible situation with all the chems and medical waste in there.

[klaasend]

The dump is on fire again... wonder how they'll blame TES for that Klaas.

Why not blame TES?  Last time TES was blamed it happened after they had already left Aruba 

[JuJu]

The dump is on fire again... wonder how they'll blame TES for that Klaas.

that whole damn island is a dump

[Rob]

The dump is on fire again... wonder how they'll blame TES for that Klaas.

Why not blame TES?  Last time TES was blamed it happened after they had already left Aruba 

not really mentioned here, but notice by me - is a pyromaniac running around. There has a been a 500% increase in the amount of fires. (500% is an estimate).

Everyday there has been something else lit up. A radio station. Houses. Cars. All kinds of different items.

[Rob]

The dump is on fire again... wonder how they'll blame TES for that Klaas.

that whole damn island is a dump

no truer words were ever spoken!!!

[dennisintn]

anybody want to bet on who official aruba will blame for the fire?  beth, dave, or natalee herself? i'll bet julia has credible witnesses who have videos and pics of natalee running amuck through the dump with a flame thrower.  that's my bet for the day.
dennisintn

[klaasend]

Here is part 4 of "In the Face of Evil" from Natalee's Freebirds:

In The Face Of Evil ~ May 30, 2005
 
 
Crimes Committed Against Natalee Holloway ~ Part 4
 
What was going on between 7:00 pm and 8:30 pm?

We believe this is when Paulus and Joran took Miss Holloway's remains out to sea on the Gottenbos boat. Here Joran sets himself up to be highly visible that night after 8:00 pm


JORAN SAYS TENNIS LESSON ENDED AT 7:00, HE SHOWERED AND THEN CALLED ANDRE

ANDRE AGREES TO MEET HIM AT 8:00 AT THE WYNDHAM

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. Then I called "Andre". We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker.
JVDS 6-14


JORAN SAYS HE ALSO CALLS GUIDO AND ASKS HIM TO GO TO THE WYNDHAM

GUIDO DECLINES SAYING HE HAS TO WORK, BUT MIGHT COME LATER

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time
JVDS 6-14


According to Paulus, this conversation took place in person, not over the phone. What then was the true nature of this phone call from Joran to Paulus at around 7:00 pm?
 
Giving confirmation that the boat was at the launch and ready to go?

JORAN SAYS HE THEN CALLED PAULUS TO ASK PERMISSION TO GO TO THE WYNDHAM TO GAMBLE

Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.
JVDS 6-14

Then we have Joran claiming to have been bouncing from one casino to the next for the hour of 7:00 - 8:00 pm


 
7:15 JORAN SAYS HE LEFT THE RACQUET CLUB AND STARTED WALKING TO THE WYNDHAM

At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those
JVDS 6-14

JORAN SAYS WHILE WALKING TOWARD THE WYNDHAM, HE WALKS TOWARD THE MARRIOTT TO SEE IF HE CAN FIND HIS SHOES

From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there. I at that moment was more worried about the shoes that I had left behind because I was unaware that Natalee had gone missing.
JVDS 6-14

7:45 JORAN SAYS HE ARRIVED AT THE ARUBA GRAND HOTEL AND HE GAMBLED FOR 15 MINUTES

At approximately 19.45 pm I arrived at the Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino. I know the time because I was watching at he big watch of the Wyndham Hotel. Via the pool I walked to the casino. I had gone there because I had U.S. 20,- on me. I played at the U.S. 5,- minimum black jack table. I wanted to play there so I could win some money so I that, after the tournament, I could play cash games with Guido. I played for about 15 minutes. At the end of the game I had U.S. 20,- again. In the casino I spoke with a woman that works there. She knows my face and had told me that she had watched me play poker and that she thought I played well/good. She had then told me that it was 20.00 pm
JVDS 6-14


8:00 PM JORAN SAYS HE LEAVES THE ARUBA GRAND AND STARTS WALKING TO THE WYNDHAM AGAIN

She had then told me that it was 20.00 pm. I immediately walked to the Wyndham Hotel & Casino. At the Wyndham Hotel I walked in through the beach entrance and walked to the casino.

JVDS 6-13

Keep in mind what Paulus says he is doing at this time

PAULUS SAID THAT AROUND 8:00 HE TOOK THE BAG TO JORAN, AND JORAN WAS WALKING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE MARRIOTT. HE SAYS HE CAN'T REMEMBER IF HE SAW ANY OF JORAN'S FRIENDS AT THE RACQUET CLUB

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and mad e the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family. Again I am not sure. This image comes in my head, but I had no reason at that moment to remember any of these things. I had done a lot on automatic pilot. Sure when it came to pickup and bring the kids back. I also don't know the relevance of this fact

SNIP

On your question if I saw other friends of Joran at the "Raquet Club" on that Monday night of May 30 2005, I can explain to you the following:

I can't remember if I had seen Joran's friends.
PVDS 6-25

The intense need by Joran to place himself amongst many of his friends, and in front of surveillance cameras for the remainder of the night is evidenced in the following statements.


JOHN Q KELLY SAYS JORAN AND GUIDO WEAVER WERE TOGETHER FROM 7:00 - 2:00 AM

NOTE THAT THE FIRST PLACE KELLY MENTIONS IS THE WYNDHAM...
ANDRE STATED JORAN DID NOT GET THERE UNTIL 8:30


KELLY: For the life of me, I don't know, Greta. You know, this is someone who, the evening of the morning Natalee disappeared, he was with Joran the entire evening, you know, there at the Windham Hotel, the Aruba Grand, then over at the Radisson from, you know, 7:00 in the evening until 2:00 the next morning, they were out in his car and doing different things. And he certainly should have at least been a person of interest that they should have nailed down all the questions that they wanted to ask him back the beginning of June.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196661,00.html



ANDRE SAYS JORAN ARRIVED AT THE WYNDHAM AT 8:30

I asked Joran if he was on his way to the Wyndham hotel casino to play in the Texas Hold’m tournament. Joran told me he was on his way there. Around 20.30, Joran walked in to the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel
June 20, 2005 - Andre Dos Santos

JORAN SAYS THE TOURNAMENT STARTED AT 8:15

I met Andre and his dad at the Casino. Andre and myself stayed inside the casino and walked around until the tournament started. T he tournament started at 20.15 pm.
JVDS 6-14

ANDRE SAYS IT TOOK A LONG TIME AFTER JORAN ARRIVED FOR THE TOURNAMENT TO START

I do remember that Joran walked in by himself. I walked up to Joran and I greeted him. I saw that Joran then registered to play Texas Hold’m poker. I must say that it lasted very long before the Tournament started

I saw that Joran played black-jack during this time. Three Card but I now no longer remember which of the two
June 20, 2005 - Andre Dos Santos


Meanwhile, Paulus is working on another portion of their problem, and learning about the timeliness of the effects on a person who has ingested drugs

8:34-8:37 ACCORDING TO A POLICE REPORT PAULUS IS SUPPOSEDLY ON THE INTERNET LOOKING UP DRUGS, ETC

According to an ARUBAN Police report (available here; Thank You and Hat Tip to “klaasend”) analyzing the computer hardrive records of the Suspects VAN DER SLOOT home computer that was found during the June 15, 2005 search and seizure to be physically located inside the Suspects VAN DER SLOOT main home, someone logged onto the computer as Former Murder Suspect PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT, and logs into several Internet pages via separate Google image searches of the words “alcohol,” then “alcohol“ and “bear,” then “drugs.” Links clicked on to open were for alcohol and drugs, and an attorney’s site. Several computer-HTML images were also uploaded to the Suspects SLOOT’s computer hardrive into a file entitled, “alcohol.”
AOL TIMELINE

At this point Joran can simply relax. There is nothing more required of him that night, except to remain highly visible. The following is just simple corroboration of Joran making sure he was seen throughout the evening, and can be verified by friends and surveillance footage.

BY 8:45 JORAN SAYS HE HAS LOST ALL HIS MONEY IN THE TOURNAMENT

I was at a table with ten (10) people. At the beginning of the game everyone had to give their registration receipt to the "Dealer". Thirty (30) minutes later I had lost
JVDS 6-14


ANDRE SAYS JORAN DIDN'T LAST LONG IN THE TOURNAMENT

When I started Tournament I saw that Joran sat at another table to play poker. Joran did not play long because he was eliminated very early from this poker tournament
June 20, 2005 - Andre Dos Santos


JORAN SAYS HE PLAYED BLACKJACK TILL 9:00

I then went to play black jack for about 15 minutes. I had won U.S. 30...
JVDS 6-14


JORAN SAYS HE WENT BACK TO THE POKER GAME AGAIN FROM 9:00 - 10:00

I went back to the poker game to play again. The second time I played poker I was in the game for about 1 hour. After an hour I had gone out
JVDS 6-14

Little did Joran know, his simple night of providing himself with an alibi was going to come to an abrupt halt with news that was forthcoming which would shock him into a panic...
 
Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!
Natalee's Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

[Anna]

The dump is on fire again... wonder how they'll blame TES for that Klaas.

Why not blame TES?  Last time TES was blamed it happened after they had already left Aruba 

not really mentioned here, but notice by me - is a pyromaniac running around. There has a been a 500% increase in the amount of fires. (500% is an estimate).

Everyday there has been something else lit up. A radio station. Houses. Cars. All kinds of different items.

Maybe Joran found a book of matches.  You know what they say about criminals and starting fires, one of the symptoms of a deviant mind.

[NYC_lover]

Klaasend - you got mail!

[Rob]

I have a question -  do the Freebirds think that Joran operated and used the boat alone? In Sander's PV doesn't he say Joran was invited on the boat but did not ever go?

Could he operate a boat on his own? or is this Koen and / or Sander as an accomplice?

Joran doesn't look like he's been in the ocean other than to have a fish stick as an appetizer.

[Anna]

11/18/2005

MERCHANTS’ LAWSUIT

Some merchants are quite upset with the latest developments surrounding the case of Natalee Holloway, and expressed on Thursday that they are preparing a case against the complete production of Dr. Phil in the U.S.

This deals especially with the merchants whose business interests is that they do a lot of business with the U.S. The latest statements from this TV host is inflicting and continues to inflict damage to our island.

Thursday they were in contact with at least one very popular law firm in the U.S. in order to evaluate a possible lawsuit against Dr. Phil. It seems that the lawyers in the U.S. are convening to give the merchants from Aruba an answer about their questions if there is space for said lawsuit.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/11/merchants-in-aruba-are-upset-arubans.html


So maybe "the merchants" (? windsurfing?, bar owners, ....) decided to keep Aruba's name out of it and back K2??

Well now, that solves that little mystery. Great find there Buckeye.

Just bringing this forward as I find it soooo telling.  Guess they don't understand our system and that they would have to actually prove things, not just make the claim.  Someone must have clued them in and they decided to make the Kalpoes the patsy of the lawsuit and see how it goes without risking exposure to themselves.  Throw them under the bus if the suit goes badly.

[ldstlou]

I have a question -  do the Freebirds think that Joran operated and used the boat alone? In Sander's PV doesn't he say Joran was invited on the boat but did not ever go?

Could he operate a boat on his own? or is this Koen and / or Sander as an accomplice?

Joran doesn't look like he's been in the ocean other than to have a fish stick as an appetizer.

is it paulus that actually takes the boat out while joran is all over the casinos

[Anna]

anybody want to bet on who official aruba will blame for the fire?  beth, dave, or natalee herself? i'll bet julia has credible witnesses who have videos and pics of natalee running amuck through the dump with a flame thrower.  that's my bet for the day.
dennisintn

Actually, I was thinking more likely Greta and Beth since they were just there.  Doesn't matter if they leave days before the fire starts because so did TES.

[Rob]

Another interesting fact - we have never heard if the boat was docked or always in the driveway on a trailer. We have seen the pic of it in the driveway - but I'm not sure that makes it a closed issue.

I guess just about anyone could operate a small boat and not use most of the controls. But I have a hard time seeing Joran doing this on his own - should Koen's boat have been used.

It's not as if the Koen boat is the Ecstasea owned by Abramovich.