Natalee Case Discussion #686 10/14 - 10/22

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hi Everyone.. here for a few minutes.. I have tons of work to do. 

Just wanted to let you know, I had emailed the link to Natalees Birthday thread that Klaas started to a family member of hers.  This relative forwarded on to Beth.   
 Lotsa great posts there.. 
Have a great day everyone.  Back to work I go.   

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Everyone.. here for a few minutes.. I have tons of work to do. 

Just wanted to let you know, I had emailed the link to Natalees Birthday thread that Klaas started to a family member of hers.  This relative forwarded on to Beth.   
 Lotsa great posts there.. 
Have a great day everyone.  Back to work I go.   

Thank you Angie.

Have a good Sunday.

Hugs

Janet

[klaasend]

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hi Everyone.. here for a few minutes.. I have tons of work to do. 

Just wanted to let you know, I had emailed the link to Natalees Birthday thread that Klaas started to a family member of hers.  This relative forwarded on to Beth.   
 Lotsa great posts there.. 
Have a great day everyone.  Back to work I go.   

Thank you Angie.

Have a good Sunday.

Hugs

Janet

 You as well Janet.  Hugs back at yah.

Maybe if antone knows Daves email addy.. tey can email it to him as well.
Gotta go. Check beck later.

[San]

I read here all the time but usually don't post.  I go between all 3 - the ocean, cremation and VDS house.  The perfect place would be under the "new" concrete.  I'm not sure if they buried her the first night but there was definately something in the house that PVS didn't want seen in or around his house based on his reaction that night.  Cremation would have been the safest because no remains would ever be found.  Ocean also a possibility but that requires planning.  Also FM hunts could have been broken into that evening but that could have been a distraction like everything else in Aruba regarding the case.  Like the beach story which isn't true.  Each of the 3 places seems like it could be valid although I think the toughest would be the ocean.  Considering things do wash up.  I don't think PVDS was at the bank the next day - only that night for ATM withdrawals.  And then you have Joran being rude when Beth arrived that night asking where her daughter was.  And the other fact that none of them helped out with the search for her because in my opinion they knew she would never be found.  Local Arubans missed work and came and helped - but not J2K's.  The island is a small island - someone had to see something.  They are all corrupt.

I agree.  Paulus was not at the bank the next day.  He was trying to show he was going through his normal routine when in fact it was busy at home making phone calls and cleaning up Joran's apartment.

We are going off stories that 4 known liars said.  Every one of their stories takes you away from the Van der Sloot home.  This is why Paulus was seatting bullets and hiding in the bushes when Beth arrived at his home.  The murder happened there and Paulus helped and I still believe there could be a chance that Natalee is on his property.

We have heard the story of a Fish trap, rope and a knife stolen from the huts.  Wasn't it Dompig who reported this story.  Why should I believe what that POS said.  Sometimes I think they want us to believe she was brought out to sea because they know it will discourage some people in trying to find her.  If I believe Dompig then it means I would have to believe his story that his brother in law saw Natalee with drugs and she died of a drug overdose.

I do not believe what that fat POS whose own son is a PIMP rapist has to say.

What bothers me the most is Pauluus that night was looking up drugs and alcohol.  And then Joran's website is taken down.  Then there was the report that the youngest son posted something to the effect of a girl dead in the bath tub.  Just food for thought - if she wasn't in the ocean why is Jossy doing his own search of the ocean?  Just pondering valid questions here now.  My thought is if she was in the ocean it wasn't the first places she was buried.  How about the furniture truck also that was at the PVS site.  Was that to get rid of a body and to replace furniture?  Same as the concrete.  And I remember somewhere maybe on Monday or Tuesday Pauluus doing some gardening.  Really planting flowers or burying a body?

What I think happened(and I want others opinions) is that she was at C&C's.  Joran has drugged travelers before.  They drugged her.  She got in the car with them.  On the way back to Joran's or VDS house she passed out.  Or maybe it was even at the PVDS house.  They tried to revive her by beating her or were beating her in the process of rape(sorry to sound violent here).  She didn't recover.  They didn't want to call 911 because "something bad happened"  this was the beating.  To cover there tracks they had to get rid of the body.  If someone found they body they would have questioned the state it was in "They will see that shit" comment in the police car.  Just my opinion.  Plus, Pauluus guarding the house that night and refusing the search warrant.  And he had help from the judges who I believe he called that night before Beth got there.  I could just see him:

"My son killed a tourist.  They usually due this but they drug them not kill them.  Now she is at my house.  What do I do?"  And the judge comes quickly to protect them.  Sick.

Jossy is doing the ocean search on what he thinks happened.  He thinks they put her in the ocean because that's what they lead everyone to believe.  This fish trap story apparently was said to happen the next night.  I think she was buried that first night in the ground.  She was moved by professionals (ALE/Government) later on.  The bath tub remark by one of the Sloots could very well be true.  Where would you put a bloodied body where you can clean the area once removed.  The tub would be in the main residence of the Sloot home.  I would bet any amount of money that Joran's apartment only had a shower.  So this means Natalee was in the main residence.

The furniture truck removed furniture/evidence that had blood on it.  It also delivered a new bed for Joran and other furniture.

Could Paulus temporarily bury evidence in his garden?  My answer would be yes.  He is not the type to let others do his dirty work.  Paulus never went to work the next day and that day was filled with cleaning up Joran's apartment as best they could and disposing of evidence.

Let's bring in the rumor of a second maid.  She apparently made a comment that there was sand all in Joran's pants or something like that.  Why would you care about sand in his pants when they live on an island full of it.  It was not sand she saw it was blood.  This is why Dennis Jacobs made someone make a statement saying there was no second maid at the Sloots.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=313.0

I agree that they drugged her and beat her.  But Joran beat her because she got a phone call off.  We still argue over this phone call until this day but I think it happened.  How many times have we heard about Joran and his scholarship.  He knew it was over once that call was made and went into a rage.  He knew his father was in big trouble because after all according to Anita there were grown up present (Paulus).  They steer everyone clear of the Sloot dump every chance they get.  Paulus went into a rage that night when Beth arrived and he didn't want anyone in his house.  Paulus and his friend Judge Wit changed the search warrant so they would not search his home.  Why is Paulus so nervous about searching his part of the house.

It was Paulus' choice not to call 911.  He couldn't because he was involved.  Deepak said your own father.  Satish said how is the girl.  At some point she was alive at the Sloots and Paulus did not save her.

Paulus made many phone calls that night.  One was to Van der Straaten and the other was to his lawyer Ari Swane (SP).  After Beth arrived the next night he knew he needed to make more calls because this wasn't going away.

[Lala'sMom]

But I don't ever remember hearing an admission that Paulus was not home that night and didn't have an alibi???!!!!
Is this written somewhere in joran's book?

No, I don't think it's written in Joran's book.  I think that is Jonathon45's theory.

hmmmm...now I am curious!! Could it be written in the book this way? Where would this guy come up w/ paulus not being home and no alibi???!!

 


HMMMMM... shango wrote  the son was the alibi, the son was the sacrafice.  Depack states to joran "your own father".  Depack accuses joran of not caring about anyone. Joran says  I do what my family tells me to I do it for them. Joran says I dont feel the need to tell all now but someday I will. Joran says Many people will be hurt if I say more. Who is the people to get hurt. Shango says the boy is biting his tounge his red and bloodeid tounge.  Again for who?  Well imo its for Papa Sloot -Joran is covering for papa Sloot .  Papa Sloot doesnt want Anita to know He was the  a player with Natalee, then Joran and co. Depack said to Joran she was a virgin and that got you into trouble . Joran was the sacrafice, he gets to take the blame so papa sloot can stay clear and help Joran go scott free.

......uummmm.....just clearing my throat here.....Shango does not introduce the notion of an alibi.....Simian is the first.  Also, Simian does not indicate Joran as the alibi. The party goers are the ones providing the alibi.  Just trying to keep the facts in tact as much as possible. 


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left? [/i]

[2NJSons_Mom]

You know, San, your comment about Joran's apt probably having a shower made me wonder which building the main bathroom would be in.  This may have been discussed, but would it be in the main house or would it be in the sleeping quarfers or both? 

[carpe noctem]

I cannot believe that
tie-die shirt wearing
lard bucket!

Demonstrating at Beth's book signing...

LOSER!

The NOIVE..

Someone should divert his attention with a jelly doughnut.

You could tie the donut on to a fishing pole,

...and then lead him down the

street and into oncoming traffic.

[San]

You know, San, your comment about Joran's apt probably having a shower made me wonder which building the main bathroom would be in.  This may have been discussed, but would it be in the main house or would it be in the sleeping quarfers or both? 

Good question.  I would lean towards both.  So that leaves Paulus' sleeping quarters as having a tub

Let's not forget their guests probably slept in the main house.

There are two beds in that back room in the picture where they are all eating at the table.

[2NJSons_Mom]

You know, San, your comment about Joran's apt probably having a shower made me wonder which building the main bathroom would be in.  This may have been discussed, but would it be in the main house or would it be in the sleeping quarfers or both? 

Good question.  I would lean towards both.  So that leaves Paulus' sleeping quarters as having a tub

Let's not forget their guests probably slept in the main house.

There are two beds in that back room in the picture where they are all eating at the table.

Yeah, that's where I'd have a guest sleep...just off the dining room...

If the kid brother really made that comment, then it's possible that the 'tub' is in the sleeping quarters. 

[San]

You know, San, your comment about Joran's apt probably having a shower made me wonder which building the main bathroom would be in.  This may have been discussed, but would it be in the main house or would it be in the sleeping quarfers or both? 

Good question.  I would lean towards both.  So that leaves Paulus' sleeping quarters as having a tub

Let's not forget their guests probably slept in the main house.

There are two beds in that back room in the picture where they are all eating at the table.

Yeah, that's where I'd have a guest sleep...just off the dining room...

If the kid brother really made that comment, then it's possible that the 'tub' is in the sleeping quarters. 

There is a dresser on each wall.  One to the left and one to the right.  The one to the left the bed is visable but we can't see the one to the right but I would bet there is a bed there also in front of the dresser.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks for reposting that picture....I wasn't doubting you...just being a wiseguy about accomodations for guests.

[Buckeye]

PVDS statement June 23

   To your question whether I can remember if Joran complained
from legs in his feet or legs during the period from May 30th 2005 to
June 9th 2005, I can state the following. I can remember that between
the time Anita went to the Netherlands and the time he was arrested
Joran did complain about pain in his legs and feet. I cannot remember
however if he specifically complained about that on Monday.

   To your question whether I asked him what could have caused
the pains, I can state the following. No, I did not ask him. He complained
about these kinds of pains from time to time.

   To your question whether I knew what the causes were of these pains,
I can state the following. I assumed that they were general pains of being
tired/being sore. I had not attributed them to a specific reason.


Did we ever see a statement by Joran that he had leg pains??  Who told the police Joran was complaining of foot and/or leg pain?? Or did someone tell the police to ask Joran about his legs??  Was he lifting cement....I mean something heavy??  Was he scratched or bruised??  hmmmmm

Did he kick someone.  He is famous for kicking people.  Was the charge "Heavy Battery" really Joran's charge.  Did they try to frame Guido because he knew what happened and they needed him to shut up.  I can see Karin Janssen saying let's charge him with one of Joran's charges.  Hummmm.

Hummm could possibly be San.  What else do you think happened.

I think that Joran became violent when Natalee got that phone call off.  She fought and he got a bruise on his face.  He became enraged and beat her to death.  The Kalpoes stood there and watched because they were shitting their pants in fear.

I also think that there is still so much evidence (blood) at the Sloot dump that is the reason that Paulus is not moving.

The only way for them to move is if they demolish the house and dig up the pool and whatever evidence is there and they dispose of it.  But they can't do that because they know everyone is watching so they are stuck there.

Anonymous said...
Joran van der Sloot may you rot in Hell.
Hello I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Natalee Holloway had been at the casino, and had been drinking with the Joran Van der Sloot he is as guilty as hell the creep slime vampire bat . The two brothers one called Satish and Deepak and Joran Van der sloot, and I thinks a fellow named Steve all creeps , whom had been arrested about this case in 2006, had a plan. They had done this type of thing to so many other other girls in Aruba before. They were to give Natalee a last drugged drink to go, and Joran was to put a drug in her drink, I think a 'Date Rape Drug". He did. Natalee was not really so drunk when she left with Joran Van der Sloot, she was drugged! by all means Joran had asked her to go with him to see the Light House she was pulled to the car . Natalee was not sure about going and had refused at first , but with the drink and the drug in it, she followed him to the awaiting car like a sheep waiting to be slaugthered. It was just her and Joran Van der sloot, not the rest of the guys in the car , as has been reported by other withnesses. Joran started to drive to the Light House but Natalee passed out cold almost as soon as she got in the car! Joran then turned around and drove to a beach close to her hotel! He parked and dragged her out of the car onto the beach where the other three guys came out of hiding. The two brothers and the Steve guy. They all took turns raping her and when the last brother was nearly finished, Natalee woke up but was very groggy, and the second brother finished, as she started to fight them off. They were very angry and surprised, as one of them who gave Joran the drug, was supposed to give enough to keep her out, nearly all night!They all held her down, as Joran put his hands over her nose and mouth and hit her aswell until she died! Remember, Natalee was very drugged but still managed to fight them off, as best she could. She was a good girl but at the wrong place at the wrong time . She had been tricked and drugged. Other girls had been victims, as well waking up on beaches in the morning light, knowing something terrible had happened to them, but not actually remembering what it was.

The boys had not expected Natalee to wake up, so this was a surprise to them all! One of them quickly called someone the father of Joran van der Sloot and soon another car drove up to the parking spot on the beach. This person brought a black, zippered, coroner's, body bag. They then all helped put her inside. I couldn't see the face of the man who came with the bag, but thought it strange that someone could come up with a body bag so quickly! Next they put Natalee in the back seat of the car who's owner brought the body bag. Natalee was inside the bag and it was dark, so they thought no one would be able to see into the back seat, and I assumed that they did not have to drive far to hide the body.

But fortunate there were other withnesses as well . The first gardener that worked for the Van der Sloot family was said to have been deported he seen it aswell but was sent home to where he came from with some money to keep his mouth closed. He was forced and taken by a small plane, to an island not more than 5 or 10 minutes away, from Aruba, to a 'Compound" in the jungle. The 'People running drug things in Aruba, did not want him to talk since he saw something that night the father of joran van der sloot carrying a big black bag and surely something weird , as he had already spoke to someone, a reporter, I think, and they would have killed him aswell, but it would have looked to suspicious, so they just said he was "deported". The first gardener was from a group of poor people , and came to Aruba to work for the Van der Sloots, in order to earn money for their poor family.So some main "withnesses " gone the drugbarons at the aruba drug kartell, so authorities didn't make any attempt to find him, as they thought he would never tell and he couldn't be found anyway. If those same people thought he had talked about what he saw, they would not hesitate to kill the entire poor family, so that no one would be left to talk! It would be mass genocide! He, however, did talk what he really saw that night to some guards that night , and some other people know about what actually happened. I have to say that at least two of the young men that raped Natalee, and killed her, went straight home after the beach to set up alibi's the bastards.
The First Gardener got up around 4 AM to 4:30 AM, or when ever his usual morning work begins, and that is when he saw the guys with the body bag. He knew something was terribly wrong but he quickly turned around and went back to where he slept until no one else was around. When this gardener, told the wrong person that he saw the Van der Sloot boy at a certain time, I think his first statement was correct. This was his only mistake, and they had to get rid of him. They had no idea he saw them with the black body bag. I cannot tell you where she is buried, as if one of them finds out I have repeated this much, they will try and move it. I just know some very powerful people way up in the island gourvernement with some powerfull influence on that Island helped those guys hide the body and coverup all the tracks.
Poor me I am afraid to talk

The Dutch authorities sent those guys over to Aruba, as they had already been in trouble and they were an embarrassment to the Dutch Authorities. Joran Van der Sloot and the two brothers, would go to school and leave whenever they felt like it rich new kids and you know the rest aswell and the teachers were too afraid to call them on it!
Those three got away with first degree 'Murder' all the time. They finally got into such trouble that they had to be sent away. Joran was back in Aruba, at it again, along with his friends. but fled to Holland to the city Arnhem and sometimes city Haarlem in Holland
You know that the Island survives on it's drug and tourist industry. Many drugs are sent from Aruba. This is why the authorities are so afraid of this story, as they all get kick-backs from the drug money, I know there was a big up coverup meeting there were also six people who had a meeting this year in an Aruba Courtroom.
One included the current Judge. They were talking about the case, and especially about Satish Deepak. They said he was a loose cannon and unstable, and were worried that he might talk! It seems everyone, all adult, in that courtroom, knew what happened to Natalee including the Senior Van der Sloot, who was there in the room with the Judge and four others. They were not in session, as the Judge had his robe open and was standing around with the rest of these people.

Poor Natalee Holloway case is a real problem for Aruba may God have her soul, as she is not the only one who has gone missing because of the same type of action, or drugs. So the Drug kartell warned to sent Joran van der Sloot to Holland They cannot kill the entire Van der Sloot Family and the others that have been arrested, which would probably solve Aruba's problem, as far as the drug business goes.
I have seen that Joran Van der Sloot boy was wearing a blue and white stripped shirt the night Natalee was murdered, and Satish wore a blue T-shirt.


I have to say the gardener said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the Van der Sloot property! But because if they catch wind me talking, the body will surely be moved! The first floor of the gardeners shed had some pallets for a floor, and under this floor is another false floor that has dirt over it, so it looks like the ground, but if you look closely, you will see two small handles near the edges of the floor that can be taken up. Even the present gardener doesn't know it's there. In this shed is a lawn mower, and a rake, a bucket and some garden tools. There is also a terrible odor that is partially from the fish cut up to fertilize the gardens. This is what throws them off the scent, so to speak. Natalee is not alone under there. There is another body in there with her,

Well may be you can help
my identity must be protected in case this comes out .
I hope you are very careful with this information and I leave it with you, because you seem to be the only one who can help

I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Thu Aug 16, 04:21:00 PM EDT
posted by ANASTASIA at 9/27/2007 06:07:00 PM <http://maryspritecasey.blogspot.com/2007/09/nataleethis-is-what-anonymous-poster.html>

Originally (?) posted by "psychic, Woman Who Dreams" in September 2006.  Think I saw it on the weird Brian's site. ?? Deepak's cousin??

Copy on BFN:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=5014.0

[San]

Thanks for reposting that picture....I wasn't doubting you...just being a wiseguy about accomodations for guests.

I know you weren't doubting me.  I couldn't find the picture before for my first post so when I found it I put it in your response.

[Rob]

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left? [/i]

If Clyde Burke is Simian and I believe he is -> than...

He got the info about the party host and the alibi from a PV and most likely one of Joran's. Paulus was hauled in based on the one of the Kalpoe Brothers PV's. I believe that was Deepak and he seems to confirm that in the Polis Van tape.

"How does it feel?"

So if I am right - A Sloot hung out Lorenzo - rightly or wrongly.

Simian only reported what he read or was privy to during an interview / declaration.

So if one of the Sloots (and most like Joran, as Paulus had not given a PV yet, Paulus was detained on 6-25-2005 IIRC) this is either another story cooked up by Renho or Anita the other Ho'. Lorenzo questioned on 6-18 or there abouts. So if Lorenzo was questioned before Paulus was arrested / detained it leaves only Joran as the provider of that name.

We have never seen what Lorenzo has to say. And it could be theoretically argued that Lorenzo got Paulus hauled in. We just don't know.

The gap in the dates signifies to me it is Deepak.

One issue not answered is -> why did Simian wait so long to make it know that the HOST had an alibi when it must have been known by 6-19-2005 when Max was interviewed as his alibi-->???

The other option is the HOST is not Lorenzo and is someone totally unknown to us. I'm not sure that makes sense as Max is an alibi for Lorenzo.

For the record - I believe Paulus is the 5th suspect and not Lorenzo. He's no boyfriend or party host. A lecherous old man - YES... but not a boyfriend.

[Lala'sMom]

As I have said many times.  I think "boyfriend" is not to be a literal translation, but instead a term of endearment used to represent.

[Rob]

BTW - in the Madeleine McCann case - A suspect is allowed to lie and expected to lie. A witness must tell the truth..

oh brother!!!

[klaasend]

As I have said many times.  I think "boyfriend" is not to be a literal translation, but instead a term of endearment used to represent.

Maybe more like the man who befriended Natalee from earlier in the week.  Or man who chatted with, etc.

[Lala'sMom]

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.
Maybe the friends were not covering for the person alibied, but the person that was guilty.
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go
Let go from where?  A job?  Custody?
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:22 pm
This is not my theory. This is for real. Simian is telling you here that there is evidence that what he is saying is true.  As Rob says, most likely in a PV.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.
It is true that one of them tried to off himself.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.
Not a former boyfriend as some have suggested (Renfro, etc.)

You must read between the lines in these passages...

[San]

As I have said many times.  I think "boyfriend" is not to be a literal translation, but instead a term of endearment used to represent.

Maybe more like the man who befriended Natalee from earlier in the week.  Or man who chatted with, etc.

Exactly Klaas.