Hillary Rodham Clinton: America's Lady Macbeth

[mrs. red]

Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderbergers, Trilaterals, who want to make the USA a part of a world government overseen by the United Nations and to bring the USA into the mainstream of the world, whereby the USA will provide a labor task force of healthy bodies and mindless robots.  So stop your cigarette smoking now, eat your veggies and start working out at the gym:  Our day is coming.

As Hillary put up her Anti-Obama site, she was heard to say, "cackle cackle "I'll get you, my pretty! And your lap dog, Oprah too!" cackle cackle cackle."

Tyler isn't the first one I have heard say this... I have been hearing this from several people who are in a position to actually "know" the Clintons, from some friends that have worked with them way back when... remember the legal field is truly a small field when it comes down to it.  I personally do not know them, and please don't take this like I do.   The Clintons from what I understand truly believe that China and Russia have a better way of doing things and that we, the USA needs to fall in line. It's a belief that we Americans are really not quite bright enough "in fly over country" to truly know what's best for us... for a better understanding read = truly read "it takes a village"    bascially advocating that women to be fulfilled must work and the village will raise the child... read = government...


OWL... life is too short not to enjoy great food

[LouiseVargas]

Wow! I sure as hell better vote for Obama instead of Clinton now that you've mentioned all corruption associated with her. Thanks!

[Observer]

I think that the biggest Natalee supporter from this Presidential Race is the Clintons. We know that Bill Clinton informed Brett Favre about the his poster in Jorans room and he might be sympathetic what the Aruban Govt did to Natalee and her Family.

[pdh3]

There is plenty of corruption to go around, both Republican and Democrat. I really dislike all the pointing of fingers from one party to the other. All politicians are corrupt in some way. That's how they get elected. The political process is driven by money and power, and those are misused every day in the political arena, from Washington all the way down to many small town mayors and city councils. There are just as many Republican back room deals as there are Democrats doing the same thing.
Jack Abramoff was a Republican lobbyist, and he owned a lot of people in the Republican party....
The Bush Admin. has had it's share of less than honorable incidents too.
We could go back and forth on which candidates and which party has the latest scandal. But the truth is that both parties can share in the blame for a lot of ugly things. No Republican candidate is any cleaner than Hilary Clinton or any Democratic candidate. They all have something to hide somewhere.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Abramoff

[LouiseVargas]

Amen, to your post, Pdh3.

[mrs. red]

Oh I don't claim to believe that any candidate is skeakwy (sp) clean... but I do believe that Hillary is actually the worst  candidate out there.

It's my opinion and I am allowed to think it, OK?  I don't say anyone has to agree... and could it be that we are discussing Hillary bacause it's her thread??

I truly don't want a socialist country... I don't think that the government owes me anything but my freedom and to live in my country safely from those that don't want me to live freely.... and Hillary's own commericals tell me (at least) 
that she plans on ensuing this that and the other thing run by the gov't.... Can we say VA hospitals??? Can we say Social Security?  Can we say that gov't doesn't need to think for me... and I don't want it to, that is my issue with her.

I don't think that the Democrats OR Republicans in office or running for office have a clue what it's like to live in this Country, because they don't live lilke any of us do. Thier healthcare and retirement plans are unaccessable to the rest of us.... so for me the bottom line is they know what's good for them, and what is ok for the rest of us.

[GreatOwl]

yup, you may think and feel anyway you like.     Quite frankly, I wouldn't like it any other way.  I have a different view because I have different life problems.  I am still undecided because every single candidate is out of touch with reality.  The political rhetoric does nothing to encourage me.

It saddens me to know that we have progressed to a period in time when political office is not a possibility for the average American.  (not sure the average American would want to run ! )  It takes so much money to run for office and a person places themselves in such a "goldfish bowl" that we do have a problem with those who do manage to enter the race.  They are most always rich, famous, powerful or all of the above.  They have political ties to big business, lobby groups and their own diverse families. 

I do wish that they would put a cap on both hard and soft money used in an election campaign.  It might actually be possible to tell the different between the apples, pumpkins and lemons. 

[A's Fever]

yup, you may think and feel anyway you like.     Quite frankly, I wouldn't like it any other way.  I have a different view because I have different life problems.  I am still undecided because every single candidate is out of touch with reality.  The political rhetoric does nothing to encourage me.

It saddens me to know that we have progressed to a period in time when political office is not a possibility for the average American.  (not sure the average American would want to run ! )  It takes so much money to run for office and a person places themselves in such a "goldfish bowl" that we do have a problem with those who do manage to enter the race.  They are most always rich, famous, powerful or all of the above.  They have political ties to big business, lobby groups and their own diverse families. 

I do wish that they would put a cap on both hard and soft money used in an election campaign.  It might actually be possible to tell the different between the apples, pumpkins and lemons. 

Excellent post, Great Owl.  The lines colored above say it all.  I am tired of hearing that Americans are apathetic.  I don't see apathy - I see disgust and disillusionment.

[mrs. red]

Oh Owl we totally agree that they are all out of touch with reality....

and the media that talks so glowingly about the money raised makes me want to barf a lung... that is not what it should be about.  No one that would do wonders for this country wants to run.... and I can't say I blame them. 

My fondest wish would be that we completely cleaned both congress and the presidency and started over... with new people that haven't been there so long that they only have a clue about themselves and their power....

[Tylergal]

I cannot believe that no one can tell me what they think is wrong about Hillary. All you have mentioned is health care. No answer to her ties to China. No answer to whether you think she will be the nominee. No answer to what Republican candidates you like best. No answer to your saying that Bill Clinton brought down Enron, Tyco, WorldCom, etc.

I am just sittin' here waiting for your responses. I don't think you have any.

You must not read what is out there to read or read only what you think benefits your point of view.  Bill & Hillary sold their souls and our military technology to the Chinese via Norman Hsu.  Do you read at all?

Enron was really a Bill Clinton scandal, but the Democrats were able to make it a Texas scandal since it involved someone in oil.  No, it was the Clinton's Secretary of the Treasury who called Bush and Cheney asking for a pardon for Ken Lay. 

Read more.  Our technology that was not sold to the Middle East was told to the Far East via the Clintons.  Healthcare is the least of the issues in this election.  There are far bigger issues for those who care to read.  I am somewhat surprised that one such as yourself would buy into this but then I recall how Hitler sold the Jews out also. So I guess it is easy to believe what you want to, if it sparkles, buy into it.  If it sounds too complicated, close your mind.

[LouiseVargas]

They say that in a forum, the talk will eventually lead to the mention of Hitler and the Jews. You proved that right. I don't like it. What does Hitler have to do with the 2008 election?

This is a Hillary thread and I don't understand your personal attack against me. I am not happy with your comment "Do you read at all?" I'd like to ask for a definition of "one such as yourself." What do you mean by that?

You are downright rude. You don't know me well enough to comment on what/how I think.

And finally, I'm not voting for Hillary. I'm voting for Obama.

[Kermit]

CLINTON'S PATTERN OF CORRUPTION

* Chinagate
* Filegate
* Travelgate

At the very least, the American people need to know what, if anything, the Chinese got in return for the money reportedly given to the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton Defense Fund and whether it had any impact on our national security.

* Bert German Dickey, "Bill gave us a state credit card"
* Hillary and Vince Foster spent weekends in a cabin while she was working at Rose Law Firm
* the law was changed by the governor (Bill) for non-disclosure of what Hillary did at Rose Law Firm
* House Judiciary Committee, David Schippers, said, "We uncovered more incidents involving probable direct and deliberate obstruction of justice, witness tampering, perjury and abuse of power. We were however, informed both by the Department of Justice and by the Office of Independent Counsel that to bring forth publicly that evidence at this time would seriously compromise pending criminal investigations that are nearing completion.


Trust me, there is more information that has not been revealed about Hillary and Bill.



Clinton's think they are unassailable.

[mrs. red]

I will tell you what I think Hilliary has to do with Hitler...

while Hitler marched and did unspeakable things, people turned their heads, it's the same with the Clintons.  While they set up all the ducks for so many of today's problems, people turned their heads and look where that has left us. 

Not only do I dislike her due to the China issues, health care issues, etc... I HATE and DISPISE her attitude of she and the government can take care of me and think for me better than I can myself. It freaks me out and completely scares me that she is even considered for President.

[A's Fever]

It freaks me out and completely scares me that this discussion has taken this turn.  We may indeed need to take a closer look at the Clinton White House and of course candidate Hilary should be thoroughly examined.  But are we in all seriousness comparing the Clintons to Hitler?  Are we to believe that the unspeakable acts committed by the Clintons in office (arms trades, obstuction of justice, witness tampering) are somehow equivalent to the slaughter of countless millions of souls, the destabilization of Europe and the onset of WWII? Somehow, it seems to me that such hyperbolic rhetoric does more to detract from the discussion of Hilary's qualifications and/or lack of qualifications, than add substance to it. MOO

[LouiseVargas]

A's,

As I said, in any forum the talk will eventually lead to the mention of Hitler and the Jews. When I first heard this, I didn't believe it.  But over the years, I've been keeping track and it always boils down to this subject. 

I am alarmed, like you are, to see people comparing Hillary and Hitler. Shame on Mrs.Red for going there. It's rather freakish to know that Joran said Natalee told him Beth was Hitler's sister's daughter. How does Hitler continue to figure into the picture?

MOO Too

[klaasend]

IMO whether you like the Clintons or not, to compare Hillary to Hitler is rediculous.  It's as rediculous as KJ sending as letter asking if Beth Holloway is Hitler's sister.

I don't like the direction this is taking either and would like the Hitler comments to stop please.

[mrs. red]

I did not compare the Clintons to Hitler....

quite frankly what I compared was people's reactions...

and to be perfectly honest... I am tired of hearing about how shameful I am etc when there are posters in here that make smug comments about how correct they are and how people don't have an answer as if I am stupid... and yes, since you all want to perceive my comments in a way fully not intended don't go there with telling me how to perceive your comments...

at any rate since I have Jewish heritage I certainly don't think that Hillary and Bills crimes even remotely rise to that level however I will say it again -

It is the people turning thier heads that I am commenting on... go back and reread what I said.

[Kermit]

Today the dictionary definition of "appease" is very unflattering: "to buy off an aggressor by concessions usually at the sacrifice of principles." So, for the editors of the Jerusalem Post to accuse the Clinton administration, as they did on May 29, 1998, is worthy of note. They write that the Clinton foreign police "encourage[es] a range of nations to test America's will," and that "[t]there is a thread running though all these policies. There are no consequences to threatening American interests."

Lets all remember the pattern of behavior:

President Clinton and HILLARY with criminal syndicate figure Ng Lapseng - illegal donations in the amount of $2 million dollars. There was massive illegally laundered foreign funds into key states.

Charlie Tried and Maria Hsia

Clinton wanted to invest Social Security in the Stock Market

Wall Street Journal editor Mark Helprin described President Clinton as "the most corrupt, fraudulent and dishonest presiden we have ever known."

Diane Blair is a good friend of Hillary's and was named to he board of Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which uses taxpayer funds to support public television and radio. She is only one of  Hilary's old friends who were rewarded with judgeships, U.S. Attorney positions, and other political plums.

[Kermit]

She won New Hampshire!
Now it begins.

 

[LouiseVargas]

I wonder why, as many women grow older, they cut their hair so short that they don't look like women anymore?

I wish I could give Hillary some advice. Lose 40 lbs. Ditch the pant suits. Get 10 suits with skirts, get some dresses and jackets. High heels. She should take Condoleeza with her on shopping trips. Condi is a fashionista. I saw her on one of her overseas assignments wearing black stiletto boots. It made the news.