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Author Topic: Monkey Musings Daily Open Discussion #8 10/24 - 11/19/2007  (Read 215335 times)
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« Reply #720 on: November 12, 2007, 02:23:50 PM »

Mum,
I hope it's all of them.  Might be just as easy to search for all as for one or just a little harder.  I wonder if Tim will get things started then to back to Stacey Peterson. 

He is going to be spread so thin we can see through him!

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I hope so too Anna. I just don't understand what is going on when I see these young guys missing in the same area. We have two in Columbus and then there's one missing in the area that Carolyn's Clinton disappeared from. It used to be that we only had to worry about our daughters.

I honestly don't know how Tim does it. As well as being physically hard, the emotional strain has to be enormous. But I'm glad he does, for the sake of the families.
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« Reply #721 on: November 12, 2007, 04:38:27 PM »

Hi Old Fart

Sorry you hurt... how about a tub of hot water and Epson salts and/or "All Day Strong Aleve" I have been taking that for my Firbromyalgia (muscles sore, hurt all the time like the flu) and it seems to work.

Have missed you. Took time off SM to regroup.... one of life's periodic times.

Old Fart...? did anyone bring up maybe a connection between the disappearance of the AL Senator's grandson and Lady Develone (I think that was her name) crisis?

Remember when she came on real late one night? He daughter was missing. Seems later we found out she was approached at a gas station (driving from AL to Tuscon) some where in AL or GA by people who tried to kidnap her, her car. The keys were dropped and she was able to flee. But in the meantime they used her cellphone to call her dad to tell him she was in a local motel (lie)

I always wondered if the Senator's grandson met the same fate at the same station but he was killed.

Did they talk about this here? TIA
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« Reply #722 on: November 12, 2007, 05:48:22 PM »

So far........ Laughing

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« Reply #723 on: November 12, 2007, 05:53:45 PM »

Klaas I was just looking at the tree in the lounge and saying to myself how nice it looks  Laughing .
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« Reply #724 on: November 12, 2007, 05:59:41 PM »

Klaas I was just looking at the tree in the lounge and saying to myself how nice it looks  Laughing .

Thanks San, still a long ways to go  Wink
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« Reply #725 on: November 12, 2007, 06:02:05 PM »

REMINDER - TONIGHT 9PM ET

The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio - Listen LIVE Monday, November 12 at 9PM Eastern - Guests Include Pam Bosco, Tim Miller and Wendy Murphy

Dana’s guests this week include:

Pam Bosco, close friend of Bolingbrook, IL missing person Stacy Peterson.

Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, discussing TES’s recent searches including that of Brandi Laurent.

Wendy Murphy, former District Attorney, Law Professior and author of the book And Justice For Some: An Expose of the Lawyers and Judges Who let Dangerous Criminals Go Free.


ALSO TONIGHT 10PM EASTERN - GRETA WILL COVER THE PETERSON CASE
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« Reply #726 on: November 12, 2007, 06:11:11 PM »

REMINDER - TONIGHT 9PM ET

The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio - Listen LIVE Monday, November 12 at 9PM Eastern - Guests Include Pam Bosco, Tim Miller and Wendy Murphy

Dana’s guests this week include:

Pam Bosco, close friend of Bolingbrook, IL missing person Stacy Peterson.

Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, discussing TES’s recent searches including that of Brandi Laurent.

Wendy Murphy, former District Attorney, Law Professior and author of the book And Justice For Some: An Expose of the Lawyers and Judges Who let Dangerous Criminals Go Free.


ALSO TONIGHT 10PM EASTERN - GRETA WILL COVER THE PETERSON CASE

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 Author Susan Murphy Milano http://www.movingoutmovingon.com/author.html

Check out her story and book at her web page, you will see her story has a sad tone to what my other guests are talking about.
Thanks to Levi for that suggestion.

Red and Dugga will update the pages with Susan as a guest.

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« Reply #727 on: November 12, 2007, 06:30:14 PM »

Wendy Murphy is the best!!!  Wink
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« Reply #728 on: November 12, 2007, 06:46:35 PM »

BENTON COUNTY : Search goes on as officials build case of murder without a body

Alicia Minton vanished in June after heading to Beaver Lake to meet an ex-boyfriend who has since gone to prison on a drug conviction. Randall Todd Greenway, the former boyfriend, has been identified by police as a suspect in Minton’s disappearance. However, no one has been charged with a crime. Searchers continue to scour Beaver Lake for Minton, 29, of Rogers, who was reported missing June 4. Her BMW was found June 7 near Second and Locust streets in Rogers. Her purse was found June 15 on the lakeshore. Last week, national sonar expert Gene Ralston joined the search. In 2003, Ralston helped find the remains of Laci Peterson and her unborn child on the shores of San Francisco Bay. He also searched for Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba in 2005 and hasn’t been found.

While the search for Minton continues, Benton County prosecutors are working to build a possible murder case without a body.

Benton County Prosecuting Attorney Van Stone won’t discuss motive or whether Greenway will be charged. Stone said his office, the Rogers Police Department and the Benton County sheriff’s office are conducting an investigation that includes testing evidence and interviewing witnesses.

Speaking generally, Stone said that filing murder charges without a body requires proving to the jury that the victim isn’t going to walk through the door.

“The law clearly allows for this kind of circumstantial proof,” Stone said. “It requires you [to ] prove the person’s death was brought about by criminal means. You go about that the same way you would any other case — gather evidence and put it in front of a jury.”


In January in Placer County, Calif., Christie Wilson’s killer was sentenced to 59 years to life in prison, even though her body hasn’t been found.

Mario Garcia, 53, was convicted of first-degree murder after prosecutors convinced a jury it was highly unlikely Wilson would vanish, leaving her family, her boyfriend and her personal effects behind.

Wilson, 27, was last seen Oct. 5, 2005, at Thunder Valley Casino in Lincoln, Calif., where she met Garcia.

“Missed Christmases; missed relatives’ birthdays,” said Garen Horst, the prosecutor who tried the case. “We showed important dates in Christie’s life had passed. This can be powerful evidence to a jury.”

Rafael Guzman, a law professor at the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville, said murder prosecutions without a body happen nationwide.

There’s a misconception that there must be a corpse to establish that a crime occurred, he said.

The evidence often turns on how lawyers present the victim’s lifestyle at trial.

“If a potential victim is a long-standing member of the community who just all of a sudden disappears, it’s easier to prove the notion they were killed,” Guzman said. “On the other hand, if a person doesn’t have roots or is of a very flighty character, the defense will be raising that at every possible turn.”

DISAPPEARANCE Minton’s parents, Brenda and Roger Mathis of Bentonville, declined interview requests by the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. They didn’t respond to a request Friday made through Benton County’s prosecutor’s Victim Witness Coordinator’s Office. Benton County court records show Minton sought a new start after being involved with illegal drugs and losing custody of a daughter in 1999. In 2001, she’d turned her life around and was living with her mother in Rogers, according to a lawyer who represented Minton in the custody battle.

In 2006, Minton was dating Greenway and told Rogers police in June that he’d dragged her by the hair and beat her, according to an arrest report.

Minton said Greenway had “come after her” because he thought she was responsible for his arrest on a drug charge, the report states.

She told police she loved Greenway but that he needed help, according to the report.

Greenway was convicted of disorderly conduct in a plea agreement in Rogers District Court.

Greenway’s attorney, Joel Huggins of Springdale, didn’t return a call from the Democrat-Gazette.

In February, Minton told Rogers police that Greenway kept showing up at Enterprise Rent-A-Car, where she worked, and was threatening her by phone, police reports state.

On June 1, Minton dropped off her two children with friends, saying she was headed to Beaver Lake. She never returned.

Police said Minton is believed to have last been with Greenway and that her life was in danger, a court record states.

In July, Greenway, 35, of Rogers, was sentenced to 20 years in prison after pleading guilty to drug charges in Benton County Circuit Court. He’s in the Arkansas Department of Correction.

Police seized Greenway’s boat in connection with the investigation into Minton’s case but won’t say whether it yielded any evidence.

In Christie Wilson’s case, California prosecutors had physical evidence.

Tests revealed Wilson’s DNA in Garcia’s Toyota Camry, and he had unexplained scratches on his face after Wilson disappeared.

In addition, surveillance video at the casino showed Wilson and Garcia walking into the parking lot the night she vanished.

Garcia said Wilson went back inside to get her cell phone, and that he went home alone, yet Wilson never reappears on the video.

“There are gaps in what happened, but when you start putting the pieces together, it paints a picture that says, ‘ This person is indeed dead by criminal means, ’” Horst said. At trial, prosecutors told jurors that Wilson’s disappearance had generated heavy local and national media attention and that a Web site about Wilson’s disappearance was getting 5, 000-plus hits a day. They said the attention supported the inference that Wilson was dead, not gone. “What it comes down to is this, and this is what I honed in on during closing arguments,” Horst said by telephone. “I told them, ‘ Why should someone get away with murder just because they were successful in hiding the body ?’” Garcia maintained his innocence at his sentencing.

COLD, DEEP SEARCH The Benton County sheriff’s office continues to oversee the search for Minton at Beaver Lake. Sheriff’s spokesman Deputy Doug Gay said some searchers like Ralston are volunteers who travel the country to help locate victims underwater. Ralston works in tandem with a canine handler, whose cadaver dogs ride on the deck of a boat and sniff locations in the water for evidence of human remains. Spots where the dogs show interest are searched carefully by sonar. “As a body decomposes, it tends to slough off skin cells, and they float to the surface where the dogs can pick up the scent,” Gay said. “These cells do travel with water current, but [Ralston ] takes all that into account.”

The search is concentrated on 100 acres of shoreline in Prairie Creek, near Bear and Deer islands and the waters between. If Minton’s body is found, it’s likely to be preserved, Gay said, since the lake is cold and deep.

He said the search for Minton will continue at this degree indefinitely.

“It’s depressing work, yes, but it also affords the opportunity to bring loved ones home and provide closure for the family,” Gay said. “We intend to keep searching until we reach a conclusion.”

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contributed by Tracy M. Neal of the Benton

County Daily Record. REWARD OFFERED

There is a $ 1, 000 reward for information in the case of Alicia Minton, who disappeared in June. More information is available online at www. missingaliciaminton. com.

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« Reply #729 on: November 12, 2007, 06:52:06 PM »

Going to start early so I will be sure I can hear tonight!
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« Reply #730 on: November 12, 2007, 07:15:11 PM »

KLAAS! You're outdoing yourself on the tree! I love the way you've put some of the rectangle avis under the tree: they look like gift bags! It's the best tree yet!

It makes me wish I had put everyone in an "Ornament". I'll keep that in mind for next year! It looks GREAT!
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« Reply #731 on: November 12, 2007, 07:29:57 PM »

Hi Old Fart

Sorry you hurt... how about a tub of hot water and Epson salts and/or "All Day Strong Aleve" I have been taking that for my Firbromyalgia (muscles sore, hurt all the time like the flu) and it seems to work.

Have missed you. Took time off SM to regroup.... one of life's periodic times.

Old Fart...? did anyone bring up maybe a connection between the disappearance of the AL Senator's grandson and Lady Develone (I think that was her name) crisis?

Remember when she came on real late one night? He daughter was missing. Seems later we found out she was approached at a gas station (driving from AL to Tuscon) some where in AL or GA by people who tried to kidnap her, her car. The keys were dropped and she was able to flee. But in the meantime they used her cellphone to call her dad to tell him she was in a local motel (lie)

I always wondered if the Senator's grandson met the same fate at the same station but he was killed.

Did they talk about this here? TIA

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« Reply #732 on: November 12, 2007, 07:34:56 PM »


  Klaas  ms   can ya put my puppy with Santa hat on or in the tree also please  he's so cute  <g>
  Thanks  Jerry




Klaas I was just looking at the tree in the lounge and saying to myself how nice it looks  Laughing .

Thanks San, still a long ways to go  Wink
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« Reply #733 on: November 12, 2007, 08:35:22 PM »

Will Dana have a call in # before the show ?
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« Reply #734 on: November 12, 2007, 08:55:51 PM »

REMINDER - TONIGHT 9PM ET

The Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio - Listen LIVE Monday, November 12 at 9PM Eastern - Guests Include Pam Bosco, Tim Miller and Wendy Murphy

Dana’s guests this week include:

Pam Bosco, close friend of Bolingbrook, IL missing person Stacy Peterson.

Tim Miller, founder of Texas Equusearch, discussing TES’s recent searches including that of Brandi Laurent.

Wendy Murphy, former District Attorney, Law Professior and author of the book And Justice For Some: An Expose of the Lawyers and Judges Who let Dangerous Criminals Go Free.


ALSO TONIGHT 10PM EASTERN - GRETA WILL COVER THE PETERSON CASE

Also
 Author Susan Murphy Milano http://www.movingoutmovingon.com/author.html

Check out her story and book at her web page, you will see her story has a sad tone to what my other guests are talking about.
Thanks to Levi for that suggestion.

Red and Dugga will update the pages with Susan as a guest.

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« Reply #735 on: November 12, 2007, 08:56:49 PM »

Jerry - your puppy is so cute I may put him under the tree maybe next to Muffybee.  I have alot to add still and will work on it more late tonight.
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« Reply #736 on: November 12, 2007, 08:57:30 PM »

Will Dana have a call in # before the show ?


I doubt it
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« Reply #737 on: November 12, 2007, 09:01:02 PM »

Pam Bosco on now!
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« Reply #738 on: November 12, 2007, 09:01:57 PM »

Pam:  Talking about the search effort
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« Reply #739 on: November 12, 2007, 09:10:09 PM »

FYI - just posted on Greta's blog:

Comment by Kim
November 12th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Greta….I have an interesting bit of info for you…..as you know from my previous post I live in Alabama….I am in the same town that Ben Stanford lives. On our local news tonight ,they talked with Ben’s Mom and his Grandfather ,who you know is Senator Jim Pruett. As they are interviewing them Beth Hollaway arrives. She says she is there to provide any assistant she can to the family…the next thing you know Tim Miller from Equasearch arrives …Beth has called him to come to Lincoln, Alabama as a favor, and he came…I thought he was in Illinois…I had heard that he left to go to Texas to retrieve some water equipment he thought they needed in their search for Stacey, but as of tonight he is here in Alabama.
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