Natalee Case Discussion #688 11/2 -11/13/07

[dennisintn]

Does anyone have a copy of the current NE?
There's supposed to be an article about Natalee's case:
Beth's book/Peter de Vries/Joran's guilt

wow, a big thank you, thank you, to the first person to bring us that article.  and please hurry.
dennisintn

[San]

P.S. I realize it's a tabloid but does have high circulation and
reminds people that Natalee is still owed justice by Aruba.

What is the actual date on the Enquirer.  The new one comes out on Thursdays near me.

[San]

P.S. I realize it's a tabloid but does have high circulation and
reminds people that Natalee is still owed justice by Aruba.

What is the actual date on the Enquirer.  The new one comes out on Thursdays near me.

I got it.  It's in the National Examiner.  Give me a second to scan it.

[klaasend]

Thanks to SAN for scanning this and sending to me:

[dennisintn]

thank you, thank you, and thank you, san and klaasend.  first new stuff we
ve had in a while.
dennisintn

[Pita]

Thank you.  The article sums it up very well.

[Dayhiker]

Thanks for posting the article San and Klaas. It is very accurate and let's hope those that read it will think twice about going to Aruba. Simply put and easy to understand, all things we've known for quite a while but it is good to get the message out to a much larger group of people.

[San]

You're welcome everyone.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Maybe it's me, but doesn't anyone else think it's odd that 6/18 near confession date is exactly one week after the retracted confession on or about 6/10 or 6/11?  But then, what hasn't been odd about this whole case.

Thanks, San & Klaasend.

[San]

Maybe it's me, but doesn't anyone else think it's odd that 6/18 near confession date is exactly one week after the retracted confession on or about 6/10 or 6/11?  But then, what hasn't been odd about this whole case.

Thanks, San & Klaasend.

That's why I always said it was Deepak who confessed.  Joran never did.

[Nut44x4]

I wasn't sure where to put this...the reason I am posting it is because our site meter has had a regular visitor recently from Bergen, Noord-Holland, even today.

Police question partygoers after fatality5 November 2007
Noord-Holland
BERGEN – The police plan to question all 150 guests who attended a party on Saturday night in Bergen, Noord-Holland, after a 21-year-old Alkmaar man was fatally injured at the event. A spokesperson for the police said this on Monday.

The Alkmaar man died a violent death, though the police still do not want to release any details.

The victim was found at about 5.30 am on Sunday morning near a residence on the Herenweg, where the party was held. The man was seriously injured.

Bystanders and police who had been called tried to resuscitate the victim, until paramedics took over the rescue attempts. The man died of his injuries after being taken to hospital.

[Nut44x4]

I wasn't sure where to put this...the reason I am posting it is because our site meter has had a regular visitor recently from Bergen, Noord-Holland, even today.

Police question partygoers after fatality5 November 2007
Noord-Holland
BERGEN – The police plan to question all 150 guests who attended a party on Saturday night in Bergen, Noord-Holland, after a 21-year-old Alkmaar man was fatally injured at the event. A spokesperson for the police said this on Monday.

The Alkmaar man died a violent death, though the police still do not want to release any details.

The victim was found at about 5.30 am on Sunday morning near a residence on the Herenweg, where the party was held. The man was seriously injured.

Bystanders and police who had been called tried to resuscitate the victim, until paramedics took over the rescue attempts. The man died of his injuries after being taken to hospital.

Police arrested two men after the incident. They were taken to the police station for questioning and are being detained, a spokesperson for police reported.

"There was enough reason to suspect they had something to do with the man's death," the spokesperson said.

He said the investigation will take some time, since all the guests at the party must be questioned.

[Copyright Expatica News + ANP 2007]

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=45623

[WhiskeyGirl]

Maybe it's me, but doesn't anyone else think it's odd that 6/18 near confession date is exactly one week after the retracted confession on or about 6/10 or 6/11?  But then, what hasn't been odd about this whole case.

Thanks, San & Klaasend.

I wonder which of Joran's many statements were edited by PVDS?  What do the recordings of his interrogation reveal?

I wonder if the retraction of 6/10 or 6/11 was due to the fact that the search did not happen at the VDS main house.

It still boggles the mind, that in the Dutch/Aruban system, with its' many checks and balances (prosecutor/judge sign off on search, judge on site limits) why it took over a year to search the VDS main house and yard.

It make me wonder what might have been found those first days after Natalee went missing.

Who reviews Judge Wit and his on-site pen?  How did he get assigned this case?  This search?  Did he live on the island?  Was he the next in rotation?  Was he flown in from somewhere for this mission? 

Are the wheels of justice so slow on Aruba that it took over a year, to get permission for a thorough search?

[Dayhiker]

Maybe it's me, but doesn't anyone else think it's odd that 6/18 near confession date is exactly one week after the retracted confession on or about 6/10 or 6/11?  But then, what hasn't been odd about this whole case.

Thanks, San & Klaasend.

I wonder which of Joran's many statements were edited by PVDS?  What do the recordings of his interrogation reveal?

I wonder if the retraction of 6/10 or 6/11 was due to the fact that the search did not happen at the VDS main house.

It still boggles the mind, that in the Dutch/Aruban system, with its' many checks and balances (prosecutor/judge sign off on search, judge on site limits) why it took over a year to search the VDS main house and yard.

It make me wonder what might have been found those first days after Natalee went missing.

Who reviews Judge Wit and his on-site pen?  How did he get assigned this case?  This search?  Did he live on the island?  Was he the next in rotation?  Was he flown in from somewhere for this mission? 

Are the wheels of justice so slow on Aruba that it took over a year, to get permission for a thorough search?

All good questions, Whiskeygirl, and I'll add one more. Why wasn't the Van der Sloot house searched (or more specifically Joran's apartment since the residence and property were disallowed by the judge) until five days after Joran was arrested?

[dennisintn]

actually, whiskeygirl, it took 2 years to get the sloot premises and yard searched
dennisintn

[Observer]

Why wasn't the house searched 7 days later on the 23rd when Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested for suspicion of murder,kidnapping and obstruction?

Why?? Because there was crucial physical evidence in the main house and also outside of it. They were caught red handed covering up the crime scene and protecting the perps. Here we are over two years later and the same judge of instruction(Bob Wit) is calling the shots.

[San]

Why wasn't the house searched 7 days later on the 23rd when Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested for suspicion of murder,kidnapping and obstruction?

Why?? Because there was crucial physical evidence in the main house and also outside of it. They were caught red handed covering up the crime scene and protecting the perps. Here we are over two years later and the same judge of instruction(Bob Wit) is calling the shots.

This judge should have never been at the house period.  There was also a rumor about judges staying at the Sloot home.  That is a lie.  Only a relative would stay at another relatives home.  They want to say every time this particular judge comes to the island he stays with Paulus.  There is something not right about this.

[Observer]

Yes that was the other judge who was rumored to be staying at the VDS home. Even the Dutch Law experts spoke up and these two judges made absolutely outrageous rulings and they have never been explained. This Judge Wit is still very involved in Natalee's case as we saw from the recent letter to the Dr.Phil lawyers.



Judge Bob Witt Judicial associate of Paulus van der Sloot changed the search warrant on the spot from the entire VDS residence to a small part of the property. High Ranking official Ben Vocking(King)laid low for two weeks purportedly staying at the Van der Sloot residence. He surfaced on June 15, 2005 at the door of the Van der Sloot home with Dutch Judge Bob Wit to block the search of the Van der Sloot property when the police and prosecution authorities arrived with a full search warrant. It wasn't until two years later that the VDS house was fully searched.

Judge Bob Wit intervened again eight days later when Joran’s father Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested for reasonable suspicion in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, once again blocking a search of the Van Der Sloot home. Without question Bob Wit knew Paulus van der Sloot - they worked on cases together and appear to be very good friends judging from such an outrageous ruling. Since when do arrested murder suspects get immunity from having their houses searched? Judge Bob Wit needs to answer this question in the open forum of the Caribbean Court of Justice, rather than hide behind the opaque wall of Dutch law


Judge Rick Smid– Reportedly a friend of PVDS who stayed at VDS home. It was Judge Rick Smid who released the three suspects and gave them an unconditional release granting them immunity from further questioning in the case. On August 30, 2005 Judge Smid issued a ruling that Joran should be held another 30 days, flew back to Curacao and immediately faxed in a reversal of his ruling.  Police statements and secret recordings of the three suspects suggest intimate knowledge of "something bad" happening to Holloway. He was also aware that Joran van der Sloot had lied repeatedly in his police statements and conflicting statements from all the suspects. Judge Rick Smid chose to ignore this and grant immunity instead. Upon his release, Joran van der Sloot fled the island of Aruba to Holland where he currently resides. As we know none of the suspects have ever been questioned again. Including Paul Van Der Sloot where it was ruled by Aruba's highest court that he had two contacts with Natalee Holloway including at 4am two hours after his son said he left her at the beach.



Jan van der Straaten-Police Chief for the Aruba Police Department and close friend of Paulus van der Sloot . Jan van der Straten's role as lead investigator in the first two months of the Natalee Holloway case demonstrates the obvious conflicts of interest found in the Aruba investigation. Van der Straaten was, by Paulus van der Sloot's own public admission, a "close friend" of Van der Sloot and worked for PVDS years earlier. We know PVDS and JVDS were in constant contact during the Investigation and we know the bogus evidence that got the security guards arrested was by Gerald Dompig's brother-in law who also states he saw Natalee Holloway with cocaine. Both are definite flat out lies. Van der Straten would have been very instrumental in the decision not to arrest the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance until 10 days after she vanished, even though he knew immediately that they lied about dropping the Alabama teen off at the Holiday Inn.Van der Straten would have also been involved in the decision to arrest two black security guards on June 5, 2005 which in effect prolonged the time given to the three suspects to cover their tracks and eliminate any evidence that should have been collected immediately upon the discovery of the Holiday Inn lie.Van der Straten stated to Dutch media on June 12, 2005 that he believed Natalee was no longer alive and when asked by the reporter why he would make such a comment he responded, "Because I know the evidence and you don't. Interestingly, two years later the lead investigator has never explained what that evidence is.He also made comment months after we were told he was retiring and moved to the neighboring island of Bonaire as he took the same title as Police Commissioner. He stated that the case should have been solved early on but that there were "people who didn't want to cooperate." Since suspects rarely cooperate, Van der Straten had to have been talking about a corrupt Aruban government and Dutch judiciary. Any high-ranking official with such a close relationship to a suspect's parent should have recused himself or alternately been forced off the case, but this is Aruba, a country in the grip of Mafia control who never saw a conflict of interest they didn't like.

From Joran's Book
Van der Straaten arrives and tells Joran that he "has known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland, that you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed to a mental institution. You only have to tell the truth."


Aruban Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0

[Kermit]

COVER UP is why nothing was done

ARREST EM ALL


THROW THE KEY AWAY

DUTCH INVESTIGATORS KNOW THE TRUTH

FBI KNOW THE TRUTH

TIME TO ARREST EM ALL

[San]

COVER UP is why nothing was done

ARREST EM ALL


THROW THE KEY AWAY

DUTCH INVESTIGATORS KNOW THE TRUTH

FBI KNOW THE TRUTH

TIME TO ARREST EM ALL

I AGREE.