Natalee Case Discussion #688 11/2 -11/13/07

[friend of monkeys]

Hey monkeys.

Keep the faith.
It will all come out someday.
Pray.

[dennisintn]

o.t here klaasend.  it's taking 70 seconds just to refresh a page today.  is there something going on there to slow things down, or do i need to have my computer looked at?  i have dsl connections.
dennisintn

[Tamikosmom]

The ruling to hold Joran for another 30 days was reversed within hours and ... Joran, Deepak and Satish were released with restrictions.  However ... those restrictions were lifted within three weeks of their release.

I cannot comprehend ... on September 3, 2005 there were "sufficient grounds and serious suspicions" to hold Joran for another 30 days but ... three weeks later there was a "lack of sufficient grounds and serious suspicions" to uphold the restrictions which were conditional of his release.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++++ 

REVERSED RULLING

Associated Press
September 1, 2005

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9163292/

The judge in the case issued two rulings: In the first, he agreed with prosecutors' request to extend the period of van der Sloot's pretrial detention by 30 more days.

But later Thursday, the judge issued another ruling that sided with the defense — an order to immediately suspend the execution of his earlier pretrial detention order.


RELEASED WITH CONDITIONS

Associated Press
September 3, 2005

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9188932/

SAINT NICOLAAS, Aruba - All three suspects in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager were released from jail Saturday in a setback for the prosecution and the biggest blow yet to Natalee Holloway’s family.

Joran van der Sloot, an 18-year-old Dutchman, and two Surinamese brothers, Satish Kalpoe, 18 and Deepak Kalpoe, 21, were released on condition they remain in Dutch territory and be available to police for questioning.


RESTRICTIONS LIFTED

WSFA 12 News
September 27, 2005

http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3857796&nav=0RdEeaxB

“An Aruban court has ruled that three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway can remain free without conditions.”

“Wednesday's ruling overturned an earlier decision that restricted the suspects' travel and required them to remain available to investigators. The appeals court said there was a "lack of sufficient grounds and serious suspicions" to keep the restrictions on the three men. Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers -- Deepak and Satish Kalpoe -- are suspects in the May 30 disappearance of the Alabama teen. They were released from jail on September 3rd on the condition they remain available for questioning.

[San]

o.t here klaasend.  it's taking 70 seconds just to refresh a page today.  is there something going on there to slow things down, or do i need to have my computer looked at?  i have dsl connections.
dennisintn

dennisintn, email Dugga and let him know what is happening.

dugga@scaredmonkeys.com

[dennisintn]

i don't remember the exact dates or days, but i do remember that the hearings were held 2 or 3 days earlier than expected, mostly because beth had announced that one of the dutch interrogators said it looked like they were going to break because all 3 of them were now blaming each other. the interrogator was very optimistic, according to beth.  katrina was blamed for the rush up job, but i think it was to get them out of jail before one of them actually told the truth, or enough of it that the truth could be pulled together.
dennisintn

[Tamikosmom]

Satish and Deepak Kalpoe were arrested again on August 26, 2005 ... suspected of rape and premeditated murder.  There must have been a foundation that these suspicions were based on yet both of these guys were released with conditins along with Joran Van der Sloot on September 3, 2005 while media attention was focused on the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and ... then two weeks later the conditions of release were lifted.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

Janet
 

Statement from the Prosecutor's Office
'The Abrams Report'
August 26, 2005

In the early morning hours of Friday, the 26th of August, 2005, police once more arrested the brothers, Satish Kalpoe and Deepak Kalpoe. They are in custody based on the same suspicions as before. They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody.

Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. To arrest S.K. and D.K. again, there had to be new facts and circumstances.  That is the case.


Arlene Ellis-Schipper
On the Record w/ Greta
August 30, 2006

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.
<snipped>

ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

[Observer]

Judge Rick Smid– Reportedly a friend of PVDS who stayed at VDS home. It was Judge Rick Smid who released the three suspects and gave them an unconditional release granting them immunity from further questioning in the case. On August 30, 2005 Judge Smid issued a ruling that Joran should be held another 30 days, flew back to Curacao and immediately faxed in a reversal of his ruling.  Police statements and secret recordings of the three suspects suggest intimate knowledge of "something bad" happening to Holloway. He was also aware that Joran van der Sloot had lied repeatedly in his police statements and conflicting statements from all the suspects. Judge Rick Smid chose to ignore this and grant immunity instead. Upon his release, Joran van der Sloot fled the island of Aruba to Holland where he currently resides. As we know none of the suspects have ever been questioned again. Including Paul Van Der Sloot where it was ruled by Aruba's highest court that he had two contacts with Natalee Holloway including at 4am two hours after his son said he left her at the beach.

reportedly a friend? Judge Smid only arrived on the island 2 months prior to Natalee going missing and lived on another island all together. There is only a rumor he ever stayed at the van der Sloot home.

Furthermore it was not Judge smid who let the boys go without being able to be questioned again, judge Smid's ruling actually forced Joran to allow any police request made to him.

Also Judge Smid never "reversed his ruling" of the 30 days extra. His ruling giving Joran a conditional release for going to school was based on a separate legal filing/case instigated by Joran's lawyer.

Also, the court ruled that Paul van der Sloots arrest (although legal based on the suspicions) was unfounded. They did not rule that he had 2 personal contacts with Natalee, or at least that has not been reported as a fact. The police may have arrested him on suspicions of him having contacts with Natalee at the casino and at the 4am so called McD's meeting but that does not mean that the court agreed with these suspicions.

Well, Hi Mr.Rammstein..Mr.World Citizen 

I knew this would draw you out of hiding,this or boycott stats or a post about the guy who had his human rights violated in Aruba. Sooo what Boycott did Reality live with and is so knowledgeable about?

Judge Smid absolutely reversed his initial ruling as Joran would have been held until Sept 30th but he was released weeks earlier. If it wasn't his ruling that they can't be questioned again then who's was it? Here we are over two years later and everyone knows they are lying,none of the stories add up and all the suspects statements conflict with one anothers but they can never be questioned again? Are you kidding me?

What's your excuse for Judge Witt when he showed up in the Van Der Sloot home on the day of the search  and changed the search warrant on the spot from the entire VDS residence to a small part of the property?? Since when do arrested murder suspects get immunity from having their houses searched? How about the illegal acts of trying to frame two innocent men?

Lets see PVDS called Natalee a corpse before she went missing,The Court ruled that there are indications he had 2 contacts with Natalee the night she went missing. He obstructed a murder investigation and changed his story and you call  his arrest unfounded?

[Dayhiker]

Well, Hi Mr.Rammstein..Mr.World Citizen 

I knew this would draw you out of hiding,this or boycott stats or a post about the guy who had his human rights violated in Aruba. Sooo what Boycott was Reality familiar with that you posted about?

Judge Smid absolutely reversed his initial ruling as Joran would have been held until Sept 30th but he was released weeks earlier. If it wasn't his ruling that they can't be questioned again then who's was it? Here we are over two years later and everyone knows they are lying,none of the stories add up and all the suspects statements conflict with one anothers but they can never be questioned again? Are you kidding me?

What's your excuse for Judge Witt when he showed up in the Van Der Sloot home on the day of the search  and changed the search warrant on the spot from the entire VDS residence to a small part of the property?? Since when do arrested murder suspects get immunity from having their houses searched? How about the illegal acts of trying to frame two innocent men?

Lets see PVDS called Natalee a corpse before she went missing,The Court ruled that there are indications he had 2 contacts with Natalee the night she went missing. He obstructed a murder investigation and changed his story and you call that unfounded?

On September 1st Smid makes a ruling to hold Joran another 30 days, goes back to Curacao and reverses it the same day, and Joran is on a plane beating it back to Holland four days later. Nothing hard to understand about that, it was all Smid's doing.

[Nut44x4]

????????????????????????? Posted at RU today!

prolific Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:57 pm   
Robin confirms Natalee attended Soul Beach Festival

I was asked to post this here. It was posted by Robin at BringNataleeHome (BNH). She also confirms FBI involvement early in the case.



robin

« Reply #54 on Today at 3:40pm »
Everyone, thank you for all the research you have done. Please be patient with me. I have learned things in the past couple of days that we never knew. All this time, we were under the impression that Natalee did not go to the Soul Beach Festival. Now it looks like she did. I did not know until yesterday the FBI arrived as early as they did. We always thought it was the following Wednesday or Thursday. This has been a lot to take in.
When I say we, I mean Dave and me. 

[Tamikosmom]

Paulus van der Sloot's relationship with the "powers that be" in the Aruban/Dutch administrations dictated that the investigation into the disappearance of an 18 year old American citizen would not be about justice prevailing.

Janet

++++++++++++++++++

Beth Holloway Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html 

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work


Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA - TWAN HUYS
June 28, 2005

VAN DER SLOOT: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

HUYS: Who was that in your case?

VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.

VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

HUYS: And you know each other very well?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes

[Observer]

REVERSED RULLING

Associated Press
September 1, 2005

RELEASED WITH CONDITIONS

Associated Press
September 3, 2005

RESTRICTIONS LIFTED

WSFA 12 News
September 27, 2005


WOW!! Nice work guys!! Looking at it closely you can really see how methodical and well thought out this cover up has been.

[Observer]

Aside from these suspicions against the two brothers, there are new suspicions, which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. To arrest S.K. and D.K. again, there had to be new facts and circumstances.  That is the case.


There was Janet..Thats when they added Rape Charges

http://tinyurl.com/2ceq6t

[greeneyedlady]

Wonder what's taking so long to hear if the Kalpoes upped all the documents the judge asked for in the DR. Phil case?

[Observer]

????????????????????????? Posted at RU today!

prolific Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:57 pm   
Robin confirms Natalee attended Soul Beach Festival

I was asked to post this here. It was posted by Robin at BringNataleeHome (BNH). She also confirms FBI involvement early in the case.



robin

« Reply #54 on Today at 3:40pm »
Everyone, thank you for all the research you have done. Please be patient with me. I have learned things in the past couple of days that we never knew. All this time, we were under the impression that Natalee did not go to the Soul Beach Festival. Now it looks like she did. I did not know until yesterday the FBI arrived as early as they did. We always thought it was the following Wednesday or Thursday. This has been a lot to take in.
When I say we, I mean Dave and me. 

Yes..I remember the FBI stated this very early on.

[Observer]

Wonder what's taking so long to hear if the Kalpoes upped all the documents the judge asked for in the DR. Phil case?

No idea We may not hear anything until after the Dec 7th court date..Its amazing that this has been case has been going on now for over a year!!

[WhiskeyGirl]

Well, Hi Mr.Rammstein..Mr.World Citizen 

I knew this would draw you out of hiding,this or boycott stats or a post about the guy who had his human rights violated in Aruba. Sooo what Boycott was Reality familiar with that you posted about?

Judge Smid absolutely reversed his initial ruling as Joran would have been held until Sept 30th but he was released weeks earlier. If it wasn't his ruling that they can't be questioned again then who's was it? Here we are over two years later and everyone knows they are lying,none of the stories add up and all the suspects statements conflict with one anothers but they can never be questioned again? Are you kidding me?

What's your excuse for Judge Witt when he showed up in the Van Der Sloot home on the day of the search  and changed the search warrant on the spot from the entire VDS residence to a small part of the property?? Since when do arrested murder suspects get immunity from having their houses searched? How about the illegal acts of trying to frame two innocent men?

Lets see PVDS called Natalee a corpse before she went missing,The Court ruled that there are indications he had 2 contacts with Natalee the night she went missing. He obstructed a murder investigation and changed his story and you call that unfounded?

On September 1st Smid makes a ruling to hold Joran another 30 days, goes back to Curacao and reverses it the same day, and Joran is on a plane beating it back to Holland four days later. Nothing hard to understand about that, it was all Smid's doing.

I wonder if there was anything in the ruling or the law that suggests that if one was not in school, dropped out, was expelled, etc., not attending for whatever reason, while still a suspect, if they would be expected to return to their previous incarcerated status?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Maybe it's me, but doesn't anyone else think it's odd that 6/18 near confession date is exactly one week after the retracted confession on or about 6/10 or 6/11?  But then, what hasn't been odd about this whole case.

Thanks, San & Klaasend.

That's why I always said it was Deepak who confessed.  Joran never did.

These two dates keep popping up over and over again. I wonder if one is a confession by Deepak and the other Joran's 'near confession'.

I wonder when the evidence collected was sent to the NFI?  Or, was it handled locally? 

What do all the recordings show?  Who else was being interviewed?

[Observer]

From what I remember Joran did drop out early that first semester. Nothing was ever done. It's obvious that it wasn't Joran's schooling they were most concerned about but it was making sure that he was never questioned again. You can see that the Judges initial ruling was overturned and they were all released with no restrictions. Hmm I wonder who the presiding Judge was in that ruling?

[WhiskeyGirl]

i don't remember the exact dates or days, but i do remember that the hearings were held 2 or 3 days earlier than expected, mostly because beth had announced that one of the dutch interrogators said it looked like they were going to break because all 3 of them were now blaming each other. the interrogator was very optimistic, according to beth.  katrina was blamed for the rush up job, but i think it was to get them out of jail before one of them actually told the truth, or enough of it that the truth could be pulled together.
dennisintn

What were they blaming each other for?  What do the recordings show they said?

Why ever would they point the finger at each other?

[crazybabyborg]

????????????????????????? Posted at RU today!

prolific Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:57 pm   
Robin confirms Natalee attended Soul Beach Festival

I was asked to post this here. It was posted by Robin at BringNataleeHome (BNH). She also confirms FBI involvement early in the case.



robin

« Reply #54 on Today at 3:40pm »
Everyone, thank you for all the research you have done. Please be patient with me. I have learned things in the past couple of days that we never knew. All this time, we were under the impression that Natalee did not go to the Soul Beach Festival. Now it looks like she did. I did not know until yesterday the FBI arrived as early as they did. We always thought it was the following Wednesday or Thursday. This has been a lot to take in.
When I say we, I mean Dave and me. 

Well I, for one, did not realize that her attendance at the festival was ever confirmed and it surprises me that this has not been a well known fact. Because of the number of students on the trip, and Natalee's close friends with her, I would think this fact would have come out within 24 hours of her disappearance. Wonder why it's just being brought up now?