Natalee Case Discussion #689 11/13 - 11/21/07

[Tamikosmom]

Latest BS from Aruba:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_36899.php



Though translator:

Mother wants hide afkickverleden Natalee Holloway
17 Nov, 2007, 18.20 (GMT -04:00)

The book of Beth Twitty WILLEMSTAD/oranjestad - Beth Twitty, the mother of the again 2.5 year suffered on Aruba disappeared American teenager Natalee Holloway, has to there everything to done hide the drug past of its for the. That conclusion documentairemaakster Renée Gielen, reach which appeared himself as a result of recent book of Beth Twitty, ` Loving Natalee, the true story or Aruban kidnapping and its aftermath have paid, still more expressly on the matter. Them bases himself on declarations concerning the search then of Jug Twitty, the meanwhile ex-echtgenoot of Beth, in and around the chollerhuizen on Aruba. On the question for which, the answer of Jug sounded: "because Natalee recently in America in rehab zat". IS NOT CORRECT After reading the book predominated in every respect the feeling ` this is not correct. At me the leugens in the book and a lot of other doubtful statements and events in the past 2.5 year have called the question: Wild Beth, however, that Natalee be found? For Gielen, which already dozens of hours have picture material and work for a documentary, reason to set off and further deepen themselves soon also to America in the holloway matter.

 

[Observer]

Richard,10906,Elaine,NM,Vicki,Jamie and J4N.. Thanks to all of you who attended or were able to help..Now is a very important time to remind people that Natalee is still missing and Aruba is still denying her justice!! Tremendous showing of love and support!! You guys rock!!!

[NM]

Hey Sweet Monkeys,
Natalee's voice was heard today in Valley Forge!

Like J4N said there were so many people who knew about Natalee and showed interest and concern for her, her situation and her family.  Many told us they would never go there or never go there again!
And different people, 20-something guys, 20-something women, men with women, men without women, and women.

More stories later. But one good one. Early in the show 3 people from the aruba booth came outside to check us out.  They were a distance away and didn't come close to us.  As they glared at us, we waved to them and reluctantly they waved back at us, embarrased they were caught checking us out, and walked away.

The signs, sweat shirt, literature are great and I thank all Monkeys that were there and that help make this possible through prayers, thoughts, encouragement, money, coordination, talent and hardwork. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Also, I so enjoyed meeting the Monkeys and their loved ones! What a great bonus.

Nighters.

[klaasend]

Hey Sweet Monkeys,
Natalee's voice was heard today in Valley Forge!

Like J4N said there were so many people who knew about Natalee and showed interest and concern for her, her situation and her family.  Many told us they would never go there or never go there again!
And different people, 20-something guys, 20-something women, men with women, men without women, and women.

More stories later. But one good one. Early in the show 3 people from the aruba booth came outside to check us out.  They were a distance away and didn't come close to us.  As they glared at us, we waved to them and reluctantly they waved back at us, embarrased they were caught checking us out, and walked away.

The signs, sweat shirt, literature are great and I thank all Monkeys that were there and that help make this possible through prayers, thoughts, encouragement, money, coordination, talent and hardwork. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Also, I so enjoyed meeting the Monkeys and their loved ones! What a great bonus.

Nighters.

Great job NM!  Be sure to send any photos you may have taken to me, OK?  Check your email you should have one from me.

Thanks to all of you!

[Buckeye]

Renée Gielen  was also the producer of the "secret' plane landing to whisk Natalee away.  When the "Congress investigating the FBI" story was debunked as an internet petition, the source of the original story was Renee Gielen.

Part of an email response from a prominent Dutch blog owner when I initially questioned the info about the Angela, Julia, Dompig expose:

This story started through a Dutch reporter, Renee Gielen (female), who lives on Aruba and is convinced that Natalee is now somewhere in the Mid-American area. Nobody wanted to support her investigation, but finally she could make a report for a Dutch tv-program. For us it was new that there had been a medjet, it's rather unbelievable and its crazy.

[Nut44x4]

 OMG....not the damn rehab crap again!!
This is insane. Why now?? .....again.

[Observer]

How fricken special is it that this crap most of the time is printed all over Aruban and Dutch newspapers? When are they ever gonna be honest about the predaters that were with Natalee last? WE STILL HAVENT HEARD WHAT THEY WERE DOING SHOWING UP AT A BAR RIGHT BEFORE CLOSING!! The lies started with Joran at the casino and have never ended 30 months later. Why don't they start with why Joran said he was 19 and from Holland?

[Dayhiker]

Richard,10906,Elaine,NM,Vicki,Jamie and J4N.. Thanks to all of you who attended or were able to help..Now is a very important time to remind people that Natalee is still missing and Aruba is still denying her justice!! Tremendous showing of love and support!! You guys rock!!!

Hats off to a great bunch of Monkeys! We are proud and grateful for all your splendid efforts and can't thank you enough for spreading the word about Aruba's injustice toward Natalee and her family. You are much appreciated!!!

 

[Dayhiker]

Renée Gielen  was also the producer of the "secret' plane landing to whisk Natalee away.  When the "Congress investigating the FBI" story was debunked as an internet petition, the source of the original story was Renee Gielen.

Part of an email response from a prominent Dutch blog owner when I initially questioned the info about the Angela, Julia, Dompig expose:

This story started through a Dutch reporter, Renee Gielen (female), who lives on Aruba and is convinced that Natalee is now somewhere in the Mid-American area. Nobody wanted to support her investigation, but finally she could make a report for a Dutch tv-program. For us it was new that there had been a medjet, it's rather unbelievable and its crazy.

Buckeye, one of these days the peckerees who run that island are going to figure out the Renee Gielens and Julia Renfros of the world are what wrong with their island, along with a whole slew of crooks running the joint. Until then, let them suffer.

[Dayhiker]

How fricken special is it that this crap most of the time is printed all over Aruban and Dutch newspapers? When are they ever gonna be honest about the predaters that were with Natalee last? WE STILL HAVENT HEARD WHAT THEY WERE DOING SHOWING UP AT A BAR RIGHT BEFORE CLOSING!! The lies started with Joran at the casino and have never ended 30 months later. Why don't they start with why Joran said he was 19 and from Holland?

Why? Because the're stupid. Dumber than dirt. Morally and mentally empty.

[klaasend]

Report by Richard from the PA Travel show:

This is a brief report on today's demonstration/protest against Aruba Tourism Authority.  It was held at the Valley Forge Convention Center, or a name very similar to that, although it was billed as happening in a town called King of Prussia, Pennsylvania.  Somehow there is something appealing in the idea of demonstrating at Valley Forge.  It wasn't QUITE as cold as it probably was in George Washington's day, but none of us mutinied.
 
Anyway, here's a basic overview of what happened, at least as I saw it.  Anyone is free to post this on a blog.  Those participants who took photos will be asked to send them to the key blogs.
 
We had six participants at the maximum.  Four of us post on Scared Monkeys as follows: 10061906, NM, Elaine, and Richard.  JusticeforNatalee and her husband dropped in; she had taken part in the "original" Boston protest, and we were all pleased that she joined us.  None of the rest of us had ever met, but we all worked together effectively.
 
Arrangements had been made with security, who gave us a place to stand near a main entrance to the convention center.  This place had a huge parking lot, so it wasn't like the Boston event, where everyone had to pass by us.  As there was at least one other main entrance, a number of people might have not seen us. 
 
Also, the traffic pattern in the huge parking lot was chaotic at the best.  Anyone who pulled over to take our pamphlets, read our signs, or to just take a look risked incurring an accident.  I think that a post in front of an entrance would have been safer for everyone.
 
Still and all, these were the arrangements that security at the event gave us.  As in Boston, we were not allowed to hand out literature within the convention center, or to wear "protest clothing" inside.
 
Thanks to Jamie of Alabama, we had received a number of her beautiful signs and sweatshirts.  Vicki in Florida deserves lots of credit for supervising all of these things with her usual efficiency and spreading the word to everyone.
 
The main point that's worth making is that (as far as I know) we heard NOT ONE PRO-ARUBA COMMENT.  Not everyone who came to talk with us criticized Aruba, but many did.  A number of people signalled their support of us, and (I think) more people here, than in Boston, took some trouble to tell us that they agreed with us in wanting to boycott Aruba.
 
We also heard some interesting remarks.  One woman said that she goes to this same travel show every year to tell Aruba that she had no plans to return.  She said that he had to cancel one planned trip, and had to forfeit a deposit of $150.  When she called to ask if she could get it back, she said, Aruba began a pattern of what she called harrassment ... making nuisance calls to her from Aruba, threatening, and being generally offensive.  She said that she had complained to the FBI about it.
 
Five or six travel agents took our literature and expressed sympathy.  Two of them told us that the Aruban 'delegation' was annoying all of the other participants; they were loud, noisy, and generally were unpopular and clashed with the others there.
 
Some of us went into the travel show arena (in 'civilian' clothes, of course), and their reports confirmed what we were told by some other people: Aruba had more floor space than any other delegation at the event, and yet its booths were getting very little interest.  This is a subjective opinion, of course, but the consensus was that almost nobody seemed interested in finding out information on Aruba.
 
One woman who had taken our literature earlier in the day told us that the Aruban booths were nearly deserted, and that she was there when one couple wandered over.  One of the workers there began giving them 'sales talk,' and she intervened, telling the couple "Don't go to Aruba, it isn't even safe.  Go ask those people outside (meaning us), and they'll tell you all about it."
 
She said that the worker for Aruba just gaped at her.  Later on, she said, the couple went over to her privately and said they had decided not to go to Aruba.
 
(Incidentally, except for two or three 'exotic dancers,' the staff at the Aruban booths were not Aruban.  They appeared to be from a U.S. travel agency.  One of us, 10061096, said he thought that even the dancers seemed to be depressed by the lack of activity at the Aruban exhibit.)
 
Yet another person said she had a timeshare in Aruba but would never use it again.
 
One woman and her daughter strolled over to us, said that they had heard about Natalee, and on the basis of what they heard would never go to Aruba.
 
As in Boston, some people asked whether Natalee had been found yet.  But I think that most people who reacted to our signs and literature remembered the case, and many said they thought there had been some sort of cover-up.  Certainly the broad details were remembered, and many recognized Natalee's picture.  We got quite a number of gestures of support for our cause, and most people who responded seemed to agree that a boycott was a good idea.  Some of them mentioned that they had read the book by Beth, Dave, or both.
 
We will be trying to send photos later on.  On Sunday (tomorrow), only NM and Richard will be able to take part.

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you for the update Richard and ... again my appreciation for all who made the effort to attend this show and ... to be a unified voice that that is striving to expose to America that one of their own has not received a just Aruban investigation and ... until they do please ...

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!

Janet

[JusticeforNatalee]

Thanks for the updates, NM and Richard.

Wow! A lot happened after I left.
I especially love this report:

One of the workers there began giving them 'sales talk,' and she intervened, telling the couple "Don't go to Aruba, it isn't even safe.  Go ask those people outside (meaning us), and they'll tell you all about it."
 
She said that the worker for Aruba just gaped at her.  Later on, she said, the couple went over to her privately and said they had decided not to go to Aruba.

[Red]

Hey Sweet Monkeys,
Natalee's voice was heard today in Valley Forge!

Like J4N said there were so many people who knew about Natalee and showed interest and concern for her, her situation and her family.  Many told us they would never go there or never go there again!
And different people, 20-something guys, 20-something women, men with women, men without women, and women.

More stories later. But one good one. Early in the show 3 people from the aruba booth came outside to check us out.  They were a distance away and didn't come close to us.  As they glared at us, we waved to them and reluctantly they waved back at us, embarrased they were caught checking us out, and walked away.

The signs, sweat shirt, literature are great and I thank all Monkeys that were there and that help make this possible through prayers, thoughts, encouragement, money, coordination, talent and hardwork. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Also, I so enjoyed meeting the Monkeys and their loved ones! What a great bonus.

Nighters.

Great job NM!  Be sure to send any photos you may have taken to me, OK?  Check your email you should have one from me.

Thanks to all of you!

A big second on that ...

Great job. We are all looking forward to your comments, stories and perceptions from the day. Looking forward to pics as well.

We want to set up interviews as well ... check emails.

Thanks again all ...

[JusticeforNatalee]

One woman said that she goes to this same travel show every year to tell Aruba that she had no plans to return.

Love it!

[Red]

Some of us went into the travel show arena (in 'civilian' clothes, of course), and their reports confirmed what we were told by some other people: Aruba had more floor space than any other delegation at the event, and yet its booths were getting very little interest.  This is a subjective opinion, of course, but the consensus was that almost nobody seemed interested in finding out information on Aruba

Words to our ears ...

And Aruba probably still cant figure out why this is happening. Why is no one wanting info?

Gee, we wonder why.

Great job Richard.

[JusticeforNatalee]

Aruba fails to understand that when you deny justice to an American citizen,
a young woman, someone's daughter, you anger a lot of people who can fully relate to the pain of her family.

When will Aruba wise up?

Natalee is loved by MANY Americans who are waiting for her justice.

[Observer]

Some of us went into the travel show arena (in 'civilian' clothes, of course), and their reports confirmed what we were told by some other people: Aruba had more floor space than any other delegation at the event, and yet its booths were getting very little interest.  This is a subjective opinion, of course, but the consensus was that almost nobody seemed interested in finding out information on Aruba

Words to our ears ...

And Aruba probably still cant figure out why this is happening. Why is no one wanting info?

Gee, we wonder why.

Great job Richard.

They should be having second thoughts about spending a few million in NYC and Boston in a few months  It appears educated Americans will not be believing the Aruban lies anytime soon and they have no plans on turning there back on Natalee Holloway and her family. It's important that every American knows what they did to this family in Aruba and continue to do.

[casa]

Good job Monkeys who went to the trade show!  Thanks!

[Elaine]

Hello everyone~! Looks like Richard did a great post on Today in PA. One other thing I thought was VERY interesting. A woman who had come to the table  went into the show, over to the Aruba boothes and told them she's upset about Natalee Holloway.
      The woman behind the boothe replied " There's No Body"