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« on: August 16, 2006, 07:23:49 PM »

Suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder arrested in Thailand

Breaking News from CNN: A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand, Denver TV station KUSA reports. CNN working to confirm.



According to reports, the unidentified suspect has confessed to certain elements of the crime. However, the parts that have been confessed to would have been unknown to the general public. The Boulder County DA stated that the suspect will be brought back to the United States in the next couple of days.

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http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/08/16/suspect-in-the-jonbenet-murder-arrested-in-thailand/
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2006, 10:45:41 PM »

Arrest Made In JonBenet Ramsey Case
http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_228163454.html

(CBS) BOULDER, Colo. A former schoolteacher was arrested Wednesday in Thailand in the slaying of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey -- a surprise breakthrough in a lurid, decade-old murder mystery that had cast a cloud of suspicion over her parents.

Federal officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, identified the suspect as John Mark Karr, a 42-year-old American, and one law enforcement official told The Associated Press that Boulder police had tracked him down online.

Sources tell CBS News that the suspect will be brought back to the United States this weekend. Law enforcement found Karr because of a series of e-mails he allegedly sent regarding the case, reports CBS 48 Hours correspondent Erin Moriarty.

ABC News reported that Karr was charged in 2001 with possession of child pornography in Sonoma County, Calif., and is also wanted in California for failing to appear in court.

CBS' San Francisco affiliate, KPIX-TV, confirmed with authorities that a man with the same name as the suspect taught in Petaluma schools at the time.

Dr. Carl Wong, Sonoma County Superintendent of Schools, says Karr worked as a substitute teacher in elementary schools in five different districts throughout Sonoma County.

KPIX-TV has spoken by phone with Nathaniel Karr in Atlanta, who says he is John Mark Karr's brother. Nathaniel Karr confirms that his brother is the one arrested in Thailand and that he did live in Petaluma.

"We have only positive things to say about my brother. We believe he is totally innocent and the evidence is circumstantial," Nathaniel Karr says.

Nathaniel says his brother grew up in Alabama with his grandparents.

The Ramsey family's attorney in Atlanta pronounced the arrest vindication for JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey. Patsy Ramsey died of ovarian cancer on June 24.

"John and Patsy lived their lives knowing they were innocent, trying to raise a son despite the furor around them," Lin Wood said. "The story of this family is a story of courage, and story of an American injustice and tragedy that ultimately people will have to look back on and hopefully learn from."

The attorney said the Ramseys learned about the suspect a least a month before Patsy Ramsey's death. "It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," Wood said.

Karr was a teacher who once lived in Conyers, Ga., according to Wood. The attorney said the Ramseys gave police information about Karr before he was identified as a suspect.

Wood would not say how the Ramseys knew Karr. But JonBenet was born in Atlanta in 1990, and the Ramseys lived in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody for several years before moving to Colorado in 1991.

A source close to the investigation said Karr confessed to elements of the crime. Also, a law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials.

Boulder County district attorney Mary Lacy said the arrest followed several months of work, but she said no details would be released until Thursday. Lacy was set to disclose more details at a news conference in Boulder on Thursday at 10 a.m.

Karr was being held in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges, authorities said. CBS reported he will be brought back to the United States this weekend.

JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the family's home in Boulder on Dec. 26, 1996. Patsy Ramsey reported finding a ransom note in the house demanding $118,000 for her daughter.

The image of blonde-haired little JonBenet in a cowgirl costume and other beauty pageant outfits has haunted TV talk shows ever since, helping feed myriad theories about her killer, and the case became one of the most sensational unsolved murder cases in the nation.

Over the years, some experts suggested that investigators had botched the case so thoroughly that it might never be solved.

Investigators at one point said JonBenet's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion" in the slaying. And some news accounts cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother. But the Ramseys insisted an intruder killed their daughter, and no one was ever charged.

In the months after the slaying, Patsy Ramsey went before the cameras, vigorously defending herself and her husband, chastising the media and blasting local law enforcement as incompetent.

In a statement Wednesday, John Ramsey said: "Patsy was aware that authorities were close to making an arrest in the case, and had she lived to see this day, would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder."

The Ramseys moved back to Atlanta after their daughter's slaying.

Wood lashed out at the frenzy that long surrounded the case, and he accused the media of "the most obscene false accusations." "I think the public's mind was so poisoned against this family that no one was able for too many years to look at the evidence," he said.

Patsy Ramsey's sister, Pam Paugh, of Roswell, Ga., said the family was celebrating the news of the arrest. "We are elated. We are elated. If this is, in fact, the killer, then we have a very heinous killer off the streets to never harm another child," Paugh said.

Lib Waters of Marietta, Ga., visited the gravesites of Patsy and JonBenet Ramsey in the Atlanta suburb immediately after hearing news reports about the arrest.

Waters, who described herself as a longtime friend of the Ramsey family, taped a piece of notebook paper to JonBenet Ramsey's headstone that read: "Dearest Patsy, Justice has come for you and Jon. Rest in peace."

In 2003, a federal judge in Atlanta concluded that the evidence she reviewed suggested an intruder killed JonBenet. That opinion came with the judge's decision to dismiss a libel and slander lawsuit against the Ramseys by a freelance journalist, whom the Ramseys had named as a suspect in their daughter's murder. The Boulder district attorney at the time said she agreed with the judge's declaration.

"Today is additional vindication of the family," Wood said.

Wood said he and the Ramseys "have been totally amazed and impressed with the professionalism of law enforcement" under Lacy's direction. Lacy became district attorney in 2001.

Lawrence Schiller, author of the 1999 book "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" about the case, said Wednesday he understood the man had been on a list of sexual offenders who were suspects for a long time.

"There are a lot of facts about her actual death that the public does not know." Schiller said. "If he did confess to some facts of the murder, to reveal those facts of the case, that would finish the puzzle."

Among the facts he said were not generally known was the murder weapon and what the killer did with it.

DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear, but Wood said two years ago that detectives were unable to match it to anyone in an FBI database. It was not immediately known Wednesday whether investigators had any DNA evidence against Karr.

Bob Grant, a former Adams County district attorney who worked on the case, said there was never enough evidence to convince him that any potential suspect could be successfully prosecuted.

"I wasn't convinced it was an inside job, nor was I convinced it was an outside job," he said. "All the outside suspects were cleared after exhaustive investigation, and there were a whole lot of outside suspects."

"A conviction isn't necessarily going to be a slam-dunk here. All of the problems that plagued investigators and police for all these years -- the contamination of the crime scene and all that -- doesn't just go away now," CBS News legal analyst Andrew Cohen said.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2006, 11:25:10 PM »

Link to resume of John Karr (originally from Huff's crimebog.us)

http://www.job4teacher.com/Candidates/JohnKarr.html
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2006, 12:12:58 AM »

Time of the crime was in 1996 so what was the suspect doing at that time and where?

Real estate (1981-1996) Privately owned rental business. Restoration of mansions from the Queen Victoria Era.


Was one of those mansions the Ramsey's house???

People that kill other people or violent crimes usually know that person..  So is this the connection..
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2006, 12:21:52 AM »

If this sicko killed JonBenet and I believe he did, then he was around little kids unsupervised for a long time now.. Its a scary world for those of us with kids, and who do we trust?  We think that these monsters have signs tatooed on their forehead saying I'm a pedofile and not someone that looks clean cut..  The real monsters are those that blend into our society, not the ones that stand out..
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2006, 12:34:14 AM »

Quote from: "Buckeye"
Link to resume of John Karr (originally from Huff's crimebog.us)

http://www.job4teacher.com/Candidates/JohnKarr.html


Guy seems a little vague about what was going on prior to 1996?

Seems to have traveled around a bit after 1996.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2006, 01:12:39 AM »

A friend of mine who lives in Calif. sent the following.  I assume KGO is the tv  station:

Ramsey Suspect's Bay Area Ties
Ex-Wife Talks To ABC7
KGO By Carolyn Tyler

Aug. 16 - KGO - A former schoolteacher who worked in the Petaluma School District is now in custody in Thailand in connection with the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

The suspect, John Mark Karr, lived for a time in the North Bay with his wife and three kids.

41-year-old John Karr and his then-wife, Laura, once lived in Petaluma. She told us they were married back in 1989 and lived in Alabama until the year 2000 when they moved to Petaluma.

Karr taught in the Petaluma School District as a substitute schoolteacher from December of 2000 until April of 2001. The district says they had no complaints about him. Karr also spent time as a teacher in Napa during the same period, working to become a full-fledged credentialed teacher.
In April of 2001, Karr was arrested at a school in Napa on five counts of possessing child pornography. He did serve some time in jail, but was released on his own recognizance in October and later failed to show up in court. He is wanted in Sonoma County and a warrant is still out for his arrest for failure to appear on those charges.

His teaching credential in Petaluma was suspended, then revoked for violating the education code.

Laura Karr filed for divorce after her husband was charged in 2001. When he was allowed out of jail, it was with a lot of limitations and restrictions, including supervised visits with his own children and he was not allowed to be around other children. He was ordered to stay off the computer. Investigators say he was using the computer for child pornography.
His ex-wife also says her husband did a lot of research on the JonBenet Ramsey case and also on Petaluma's own Polly Klaas.

Laura Karr also tells us she's devastated and embarrassed by these murder charges, but she does not believe that her husband did it. She says that during Christmas season of 1996 when JonBenet Ramsey was strangled and beaten to death in Colorado, they were living in Alabama at the time and she was with him the entire Christmas season.
We spoke with a former neighbor of his, Sylvia Ross, who described him as "friendly, but divisive." She says that everyone in the neighborhood knew about the child pornography charges, but were afraid to talk openly about them.
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2006, 02:01:28 AM »

Looks like the guy may just be trying to get out of Thailand then, unless someone can show a DNA match and some form of travel to Boulder at that time.
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2006, 02:09:21 AM »

If wife is telling the truth about the time period, then dosen't seem possible the guy could have made a quick trip to Boulder, do the deed and then a quick trip back without some sort of inside connection to the family.

Parttime handyman or realtor or something for the Ramseys?
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2006, 02:11:29 AM »

JUST REPORTED ON THE LATE NEWS:

JOHN KARR IS ADMITTING TO KILLING JON BENET RAMSEY
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2006, 02:23:13 AM »

Quote from: "Carnut"
If wife is telling the truth about the time period, then dosen't seem possible the guy could have made a quick trip to Boulder, do the deed and then a quick trip back without some sort of inside connection to the family.

Parttime handyman or realtor or something for the Ramseys?


It does sound like it'd be difficult for him to commit the crime if his wife's time line is correct (as you've so eloquently stated).  I know reports are coming in that someone working at that Thailand prison heard him confess to the crime.  But again...it could be a case where he was looking for a quick flight the hell out of that country...

Time will tell, I guess...
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2006, 02:29:04 AM »

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Quote from: "Carnut"
If wife is telling the truth about the time period, then dosen't seem possible the guy could have made a quick trip to Boulder, do the deed and then a quick trip back without some sort of inside connection to the family.

Parttime handyman or realtor or something for the Ramseys?


It does sound like it'd be difficult for him to commit the crime if his wife's time line is correct (as you've so eloquently stated).  I know reports are coming in that someone working at that Thailand prison heard him confess to the crime.  But again...it could be a case where he was looking for a quick flight the hell out of that country...

Time will tell, I guess...


Well, I do question how well the wife remembers christmas 1996.

I sure don't remember mine.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2006, 02:41:08 AM »

Well, CNN talking to guy in Thailand live says John Karr wasn't in jail in Thailand on anything, but was arrested at U.S. request and once arrested confessed to the killing.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2006, 02:47:15 AM »

Hey, Hey, John Karr is actually holding a press conference live in Thailand right now.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2006, 03:00:13 AM »

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Hey, Hey, John Karr is actually holding a press conference live in Thailand right now.


Where'd you see that?  I'm looking around now...
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« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2006, 03:01:13 AM »

It's on regular CNN here right now. Karr left the room a bit ago.
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« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2006, 03:02:26 AM »

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It's on regular CNN here right now. Karr left the room a bit ago.


What did he say??
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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2006, 03:04:11 AM »

Karr really didn't talk, the Thai cop says that when Karr was arrested and asked what for? he was told it was for 1st degree and Karr said 'no it was 2nd' not intended murder.
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2006, 03:05:16 AM »

karr told Immigration that he was in love with the girl.

Kinda looking like he might be in a bit of trouble if some evidence can back up the admission.
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2006, 03:06:12 AM »

Karr has been very cooperative and has showed a variety of emotions.
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