JonBenet Ramsey

[mbs]

First, I want to say this is an observation, and a first glance impression I got tonight with Hannity & Combs interview with Greg Ramsey, JonBenet's cousin.  IMO, he resembled this composite drawing more than Karr.  I think it was more the hairline & hair style and the facial structure.  Did anyone else see this?  No malice intended toward Greg...it was just my perception when viewing.

I don't see it so much in this picture, but in some of Karr's other pictures, I do see quite a resemblance between sketchman and Karr. Kind of spooky. Also, a neighbor reported seeing someone walking by the Ramsey house Christmas afternoon, who resembled the Ramsey's older son, John Andrew.  John Andrew was definitely in Georgia at the time, but there's a resemblance between John Andrew and Karr, I believe. Especially the way Karr looked 10 years ago. But none of it means anything if they can't place Karr in Boulder at the time.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Jaq, I'll have to check the article out...I know she had worked a lot in these cases.  I just had to ask if anyone else had the same thought...the hairstyle was so similar...

[mbs]

And he seems so spaced out and whacky.

Maybe he is in a daze now because of all the media attention but I'm sorry on sight alone, and after hearing him speak I would RUN FORREST RUN before I let him near any kid.

I hear that, he is strange!  Some of the people they've interviewed who grew up with him seem surprised, but not that surprised, if you know what I mean.  I think he's always been a little off.  Or a lot off.

[Jacqueline]

And he seems so spaced out and whacky.

Maybe he is in a daze now because of all the media attention but I'm sorry on sight alone, and after hearing him speak I would RUN FORREST RUN before I let him near any kid.

I hear that, he is strange!  Some of the people they've interviewed who grew up with him seem surprised, but not that surprised, if you know what I mean.  I think he's always been a little off.  Or a lot off.

Yep.  I mean look at the ages of his ex wives when he married them. One 13, but now they are saying she was even younger and the other wife 16.

Creep a zoid.

[mbs]

I've always believed someone broke into the Ramsey's house and killed JonBenet, but I've always thought it would turn out to be either an acquaintance of the family, like a business associate or family friend, someone who had worked on the house, like a construction worker or handyman, or at least someone who lived in Boulder and had been in the house during one of the Christmas open houses the Ramsey's held. Even if Karr could have flown to Boulder and killed her, then flown right back to Alabama, when did he become obsessed with her, and when did he case the house?  I suppose he could have seen pictures of her, or had some brief contact in Georgia since I believe his father lived close by some of the Ramsey's relatives, and might have seen her during a family visit, but I always thought it would be someone close by, who had time to observe JonBenet, and the family.

[Jacqueline]

U.S. delegate visited John Karr a few hours ago.

All she would say is that he will be back in the States with in a week.

Karr had been living in thailand for several months.

Had just been hired in a prestigious school.

But he was frightening the children so he was sacked.

he was too strict.

What do we know about his past?

any proof where he was that night...

Denver Post :
Reporter:  We have not found anything to show that he had been to Colorado that night.  

Everybody we talked to said that he had no connection with Colorado at all. He is in the records of the board of education of trying to get a job.  It was after he left Alabama in 2001 perhaps.

married twice, he was 19 married to a 13 year old.  next time he was 27 and married a 16 year old.

Marriages both failed.

In the 2nd divorce degree she was afraid for the sake of her children.

One of his first jobs, sub teacher in Hamilton where he grew up, lasted about three months...superintendant said he was fired cause he was too intimate with the kids.  they sat in his lap, they combed his hair.  there were rumors flying around the town.  there was no criminal record but they got rid of him anyway.

He decided to move in California, perhaps for work. he managed to get several jobs as a sub teacher.

In 2001 he was arrested for child pornography, then he fled.  he was convicted in abstentia.


John Karr said he wrote letters .

Patsy was considering meeting with Karr if it could have helped.

Pam:  No, never heard the name until wed or thursday, only thing i was aware that patsy knew was info that she and john were given with the da.

we continuted a private investigation, john said he would never ever stop looking for the killer of my child.  we have never stopped. we have had private investigators looking....

then mary lacy came in and kept digging and i do not think she would have made this move if she did not have good reason to.

Yes, I was in the Boulder home many times....

The window in the basement was in a different room than jb was found.

I had only been down in the basement a few times.

The window that you have seen many times that was open, that would have been directly facing an alley way.

1st floor kitch, hall way etc...and then there was a little mezannine...

a butlers kitchen and then when you went up the back stairs or front, that would lead to the floor where you had burkes bedroon and jon benets...

further up the steps would have been patsy and john's room

My thought about john karr....

I am optomistic period that this will be solved at some point.

I don't know if this guy is the one or not....

I don't think this guy is dealling with a full deck of cards...but yet I would say that it takes a person like this who could do something like that.

Coming up:

Key Clues...

Dr Baden coming up.

[Jacqueline]

I've always believed someone broke into the Ramsey's house and killed JonBenet, but I've always thought it would turn out to be either an acquaintance of the family, like a business associate or family friend, someone who had worked on the house, like a construction worker or handyman, or at least someone who lived in Boulder and had been in the house during one of the Christmas open houses the Ramsey's held. Even if Karr could have flown to Boulder and killed her, then flown right back to Alabama, when did he become obsessed with her, and when did he case the house?  I suppose he could have seen pictures of her, or had some brief contact in Georgia since I believe his father lived close by some of the Ramsey's relatives, and might have seen her during a family visit, but I always thought it would be someone close by, who had time to observe JonBenet, and the family.

Yes, and from what I have heard they had a lot of people doing work in there house and sets of keys were given to some people.

Anyone could have made copies and come back...and they would have known the lay out of the house, which was like a maze.

Only in the beginning did I think they may have had something to do with it.  But the more I saw them I felt no way.

These people were hurting and I believed them.

[Jacqueline]

on the record

continued...


aug 18 06

Dr. Baden:

(drawing of the basement on now)

broken window, alley runs back.

Body found in the lower part. what kind of clues would you have found?

As Mark Fuhrman pointed out, that window still had cobwebs around it when the window was first seen.

An entomoligist said that the cobweb could have been broken then respun.

Baden: there could have been fingerprints, fabric from clothing, shoe prints, and i think that was looked for eventually but not initially, and the crime scene was not preserved from the beginning.

And how the body was brought in is also a confusing scenario.

There was dna, if it matches Karr, then it's a home run.

They have the profile of jon benet's dna will not deterioate.

If any of it matches this is a homerun...

They should have done this BEFORE they arrested him and made this international incident.

They have forensic capability in Thailand to have tested his dna.

[Jacqueline]

John Karr emails:

Sometimes little girls are closer to me than they are to their own parents.

He indentifies with people like M. Jackson.

He then asked this college professor to go to her home and asked him to read the ode to her he wrote.

Jeff Brwon:  He is a whacko. he is. but there is a difference between being crazy and being a killer.

Jim:

I do alot more investigationg, but you do not want to rush the gun.  THe key will be the dna.   This whacko could have attached himself to this case for attention.

Jeff:  He had outstanding warrants against him, they could have picked him up for that.  I think he wanted a free ticket back to the US.

My understanding is he had no idea they were looking for him.  I don't know why they rushed.

Jim: in defense of the da , they were trying to get a dna sample fromhim.  He could be a whacko or a killer.

(or both....my words, not jims)


You would think that someone connected to him could put him in Colorado but no one can.

Greta:  at least there is a connection that he applied for a teaching job there.

Jeff Brown: that press conference was crazy. they were just praising everyone. I am scared to death they have the wrong guy here.

Coming up:

Polly klass case.

[mbs]

Jim also pointed out that they may have had to arrest Karr to get the DNA sample, which makes sense.  You can't just go up and stick a swab in someone's mouth.

[Jacqueline]

According to divorce papers...

karr was fascinated with the guy who killed Polly Klaas.  Richard alan davis.

They searched his cell today, and looked at records, but could not find that any correspondence had taken place between the two.

We went thru the material today, we are now convinced that there was any corrpndce took place.

Jim:  If this is correct and he is making up, it appears this guy has a pattern of making things up, and liking little girls...

one thing in the da's favor..if he gave details about the murder scene that no one else knew. that could mean something.

Greta: why the public press conference...this could have beendone privately.   investigate, but keep it on a low profile.

Jeff:  he will be brought back, have an arraignment and then do the discovery phase part.

without even a formal command,,,,,they may not waive speedy trial.

Jim:

I think that all these mysteries are going to be resolved soon. with the results from the dna.  If the dna does not match.....this is not your guy.

Coming Up:

Speaker of the house Newt.

[mbs]

Never mind, I see my last comment was already covered in Jacqueline's recap of the show. Thanks for the recap, I didn't hear the first part of the show.

[Jacqueline]

Never mind, I see my last comment was already covered in Jacqueline's recap of the show. Thanks for the recap, I didn't hear the first part of the show.

Ya know, I wish in a way that they arrested him but made it on the down low.

Then after the DNA results were in and if they matched, THEN announce it.

They could have done that right?

[sharon]

Jacquie -- thanks for the summaries/transcripts.

I too, have a hard time watching MSM this days You make it much easier for me

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[sharon]

This makes me think of the creepy poems that Charles Croes  writes
   

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/suspects-e-mails-yearbook-possible/20060816163809990004?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Suspect's E-Mails, Yearbook Possible JonBenet Clues
'Sometimes Little Girls are Closer to Me Than With Their Parents'
By DEBORAH HASTINGS, AP

BOULDER, Colo. (Aug. 19) - The writings are the stuff of love letters: unrequited obsession, reaching beyond the grave, from a man who pledges all to someone he can never have.

They were written to a dead 6-year-old girl by a teacher named John Mark Karr, who also claims he killed the child, JonBenet Ramsey, in her parents' home 10 years ago. And now anything he's ever written is headline fodder.

Boulder prosecutors are in contact with a former classmate of Karr's because a yearbook signed by him more than 20 years ago may explain why a ransom note in the Ramsey home was signed "S.B.T.C.", the Rocky Mountain News reported Friday.

In the 1982 yearbook, Karr ended his missive with the line: "Though, deep in the future, maybe I shall be the conqueror and live in multiple peace." Investigators wonder if "S.B.T.C" means "shall be the conqueror."
   
The newspaper also published excerpts of the worshipful e-mails Karr sent to University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey, who produced several documentaries on the Ramsey case.

"JonBenet, my love, my life. I love you and shall forever love you," according to an e-mail Karr sent on Dec. 23, 2005, just before the anniversary of her death. "I pray that you can hear my voice calling out to you from my darkness - this darkness that now separates us."

"Sometimes little girls are closer to me than with their parents or any other person in their lives. When I refer to myself as JonBenet's Closest, maybe now you understand," he wrote in another message.

Police asked JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, if she would meet with Karr. The mother was willing, but she died from ovarian cancer in June before investigators went any further, family attorney Lin Wood said.

And she never saw Karr's words because his messages were secretly being intercepted by authorities. "He thought that he was corresponding with Patsy, but he wasn't," Wood told The Associated Press.

Karr, 41, is in a Thailand jail awaiting deportation to face U.S. charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault. He told reporters he was with JonBenet when she died in the basement of her Boulder home on Dec. 26, 1996 but her death was "an accident."

Karr is scheduled to fly to the United States on Sunday, a police official said Saturday.

"The tickets for John Mark Karr's departure are ready," Thailand's immigration police chief, Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, told reporters. "He is leaving for the United States on Sunday evening."

A U.S. Embassy official, speaking on condition of anonymity, could not confirm Karr's departure date, saying that authorities were working through legal paperwork to expedite his deportation.

On Friday, Suwat recanted details he gave of Karr's confession - details that raised suspicions that Karr was lying to gain entry to a sensational killing that fascinated him.

Suwat initially said Karr confessed to sexually assaulting the girl and giving her drugs. But her autopsy showed no signs of drugs. He also told reporters that Karr had claimed to have picked up JonBenet at school, though her death came during the holiday break.

On Friday, Suwat confirmed to the AP his account of the sexual assault. But asked if Karr gave the girl drugs, Suwat said the suspect described the encounter as "a blur." Suwat said the part about JonBenet being picked from school was based on his recollection of watching a documentary about the case.

Other Karr claims drew scrutiny Friday: Prison guards searched the death row cell of Polly Klaas' killer after learning he may have corresponded with Karr. No letters were found.

But a Northern California woman exchanged e-mails and recorded hours of phone conversations with Karr in which he described his fascination with JonBenet's and Polly's slayings, according to published reports.

Wendy Hutchens, 49, of Roseville, Calif., told police about her 2001 conversations with Karr weeks before the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office arrested him on five misdemeanor child pornography charges, The Press Democrat of Santa Rosa reported Friday in its online edition.

There is no public piece of evidence tying Karr, a divorced father of three, to Colorado. Eric Yoder, an investigator for the Colorado Department of Education, said Karr was never licensed to teach in the state and there is no record of him applying for a teaching job.

In Washington, federal officials said they want to question Karr about his writings and confessions, including an e-mail from Karr claiming he was under investigation in four states for child murder and molestation.

"There is no four-state federal case" in which Karr is wanted or even suspected, said a Washington official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is being handled by local prosecutors in Colorado.

Tracey, the professor, refused to discuss the e-mails he received from Karr.

The Ramseys' attorney suggested authorities may have more against Karr than his confession. "There have been e-mail confessions in the case before," Wood said. "John Ramsey has received e-mail confessions in the past and nobody was arrested."

Patsy Ramsey's sister said the family would wait and watch.

"We are optimistic, but it's wait-and-see," said Pamela Paugh from her home in Roswell, Ga. "We've been patient for nine and a half years, what's a few more months?"

Associated Press writers Harry R. Weber in Atlanta, Matt Apuzzo in Washington, Doug Gross in Roswell, Ga., and Margie Mason in Bangkok contributed to this report.


8/19/2006 03:56:34 EDT

[Easywriter]

I don't know what to think!  There are some very strange circumstances surrounding all of this.  The guy will be flying back to the U.S. tomorrow, so maybe next week some of it will become more clear.

[Peaches]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  He is definitely a weird duck.

[LouiseVargas]

I am interested in the handwriting sample from the yearbook and the ranson note. The "a's" are the same.

The ransom note is somewhat sloppy but if I compare my handwriting in my yearbook to mine now, it has degraded considerably.

[Jacqueline]

Could mystery santa stuffed animal prove to be something?

A stuffed animal that was dressed up like santa was found in Jon Benet's bedroom, and the family say that was not one of her toys and do not know where it came from.

John Karr has a photo with himself and a similar santa stuffed animal.

In any event.....

karr will be arriving in California Sunday evening.

[sharon]

I agree Jacquie. I can't wait until they get results from dna tests.

I haven't read the news yet, so I hadn't heard about the possible Santa connection.

He is creepy though.

And all those other children he was in contact with -- physical contact

And the marriages. And the reasons for the divorces and restraining order. Even if this confession is just another part of this sick #@*^ game, they need to find another reason to keep him off the streets and away from juveniles.

imo


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