JonBenet Ramsey

[Jacqueline]

Even as authorities were preparing to extradite John Mark Karr, a teacher who admitted involvement in the 6-year-old's death a decade ago, her father was hounded by camera crews Friday as he took his son to college at Purdue University, attorney Lin Wood said.

"He cannot go back to his home in Michigan because it is surrounded by the media," Wood said. "Last night, I've never heard him so angry. He is upset. He is worried about his son's physical safety … I'm not sure John Ramsey will ever speak to a member of the media after what happened to him yesterday."

It appears that the media is closing in on John Ramsey.

I don't get how it is ok for reporters to set up camp outside someones home, invade their privacy ~

But if an average Joe did this it would be considered stalking.

[Carnut]

Saw this evening on FOX that Trace Galager said the 'Santa Bear' was found to be an award that JBR won in one her contests.

So wasn't left behind by any mysterious stranger.

[Jacqueline]

Saw this evening on FOX that Trace Galager said the 'Santa Bear' was found to be an award that JBR won in one her contests.

So wasn't left behind by any mysterious stranger.

Ah, thanks Car.

The evidence keeps getting thinner and thinner.

[mrs. red]

thank you for the scribing Jac... I missed these shows...


This guy guilty of this crime or not.. should never be around kids...

[Jacqueline]

John Karr on plane to US.

Photographers were allowed on plane to take pic's of him.

The DNA sample he gave in Thailand is still be anyalyzed.

He once sought a Dr's consultation in reference to having a sex change.

[Frijole]

John Karr on plane to US.

Photographers were allowed on plane to take pic's of him.

The DNA sample he gave in Thailand is still be anyalyzed.

He once sought a Dr's consultation in reference to having a sex change.

This guy is one sick cookie.  Good news about a sex change is that if he "loses his manhood"- at least we know he won't get any more 12 yr olds pregnant.  He needs to be locked up - if not in prison, then in a hospital.

Just heard them say someone from Fox is sitting near him on plane and he drank some champagne.  Give me a break.

[Jacqueline]

John Karr on plane to US.

Photographers were allowed on plane to take pic's of him.

The DNA sample he gave in Thailand is still be anyalyzed.

He once sought a Dr's consultation in reference to having a sex change.

This guy is one sick cookie.  Good news about a sex change is that if he "loses his manhood"- at least we know he won't get any more 12 yr olds pregnant.  He needs to be locked up - if not in prison, then in a hospital.

Just heard them say someone from Fox is sitting near him on plane and he drank some champagne.  Give me a break.

Ya Know this is getting more bizarre as the days go by.

How long does it take to get those DNA results?

If it's not a match let's be rid of this sicko.

[klaasend]

Someone posted on the front page that they know someone close to the investigation and the DNA results are in and NOT a match.  Take this with a grain of salt though.

[Frijole]

Someone posted on the front page that they know someone close to the investigation and the DNA results are in and NOT a match.  Take this with a grain of salt though.

This should be interesting.. I heard Wendy Murphy on Fox ... gotta love her.... talking about the Boulder DA basically saying... "Certainly she wasn't so STUPID as to not make a simple phone call to that ex wife to find out where he was that Xmas.... etc. etc."  You can just hear her sarcasm... Point is that if this guy is simply a nut case (which sadly I expect) then some heads need to roll in Boulder (again).

Sigh - I sure hope that I am wrong.

[lexie]

Someone posted on the front page that they know someone close to the investigation and the DNA results are in and NOT a match.  Take this with a grain of salt though.

This should be interesting.. I heard Wendy Murphy on Fox ... gotta love her.... talking about the Boulder DA basically saying... "Certainly she wasn't so STUPID as to not make a simple phone call to that ex wife to find out where he was that Xmas.... etc. etc."  You can just hear her sarcasm... Point is that if this guy is simply a nut case (which sadly I expect) then some heads need to roll in Boulder (again).

Sigh - I sure hope that I am wrong.

One of the latest AP articles stated that Karr was not extridited, he was expelled from Thailand as an "undesirable".  How does one get expelled from a country where anything goes???.  I will try to find the article, but am not sure I know how to bring it into the forum.

[mbs]

One of the latest AP articles stated that Karr was not extridited, he was expelled from Thailand as an "undesirable".  How does one get expelled from a country where anything goes???.  I will try to find the article, but am not sure I know how to bring it into the forum.

I heard that on one of the Fox news reports also. I understood that the reason he was expelled was because of the arrest for JonBenet's murder, but I could be wrong.  The sex change operation story is really weird, I didn't think men who wanted to have sex change operations were usually pedophiles, yet this guy has been convicted of child porn charges, and sure sounds like a pedophile.  He either wants to have sex with little girls (after all he married a 12 year old when he was 19) or he wants to become a girl.  Can you have both problems in the same guy?

[Carnut]

One of the latest AP articles stated that Karr was not extridited, he was expelled from Thailand as an "undesirable".  How does one get expelled from a country where anything goes???.  I will try to find the article, but am not sure I know how to bring it into the forum.

I heard that on one of the Fox news reports also. I understood that the reason he was expelled was because of the arrest for JonBenet's murder, but I could be wrong.  The sex change operation story is really weird, I didn't think men who wanted to have sex change operations were usually pedophiles, yet this guy has been convicted of child porn charges, and sure sounds like a pedophile.  He either wants to have sex with little girls (after all he married a 12 year old when he was 19) or he wants to become a girl.  Can you have both problems in the same guy?

Guess he always wanted to be a lesbian?

[klaasend]

http://tinyurl.com/s4g8r

Source: Karr visited sex-change clinic
By SUTIN WANNABOVORN, Associated Press Writer
Sun Aug 20, 3:55 AM ET
 
The suspect in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey visited a Bangkok clinic specializing in sex-change operations and cosmetic surgery, clinic officials said Sunday.

Dr. Thep Vechwijit, a doctor at the Pratunam Polyclinic, said John Mark Karr, 41, had been his patient but declined to provide further details. "He was one of my patients," Vechwijit said.

A staffer at the clinic, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak to the media, said Karr had consulted the doctor about a sex-change operation.

Karr was to be flown later Sunday to the United States to face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault in connection with the 1996 killing of 6-year-old Ramsey.

Thai police said that Karr was "a bit nervous" Sunday as Thai and U.S. officials prepared to fly him back to the United States.

"Generally he is fine, but a little bit nervous as the time of his departure approaches," immigration police head Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul told The Associated Press.

"We treat him well since he is a high-profile suspect. Yesterday he said that he wanted to eat American food so we ordered from Kentucky Fried Chicken for him, but this morning he had the standard breakfast," Suwat said.

Suwat said Karr would be taken out of his cell at the immigration department prison and taken to the airport for the 7:10 p.m. flight to Los Angeles. He is being expelled from Thailand and does not have to go through an extradition proceeding.

A U.S. Embassy official, speaking on condition of anonymity, did not confirm details of Karr's leaving, saying only that authorities were working to expedite his departure.

Karr was only being allowed visits from legal officials at the immigration jail.

On Sunday, an official at a Bangkok clinic specializing in sex change operations and cosmetic surgery said Karr has visited the facility.

A doctor at the Pratunam Polyclinic confirmed that the 41-year-old former schoolteacher had been one of his patients. But Dr. Thep Vechwijit declined to provide details of the consultation.

A staffer at the clinic, who demanded anonymity since she was not authorized to make statements to the media, said Karr had consulted the doctor about a sex-change operation.

This could not be confirmed by other sources.

The JonBenet Ramsey case, which people in Thailand were generally unaware of before Karr's arrest, has been drawing increasing attention. The local focus has been on the qualifications of expatriate teachers, and whether there are checks in place to weed out criminals and deviants.

A divorced father of three children once detained on charges of possessing child pornography, Karr in recent years apparently traveled to Europe, Central America and Asia to search for teaching jobs.

He was arrested a day after he began teaching second grade in Bangkok, Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy told reporters in Colorado. Thai authorities said he had also worked at two schools in Thailand.

An official at one of the Thai schools, the prestigious elementary school at Bangkok Christian College, said Karr was fired in mid-June after only two weeks on the job because he was too strict with students.

Thai Education Minister Chaturon Chaisang said Saturday he had ordered his ministry to look into the screening of foreigners seeking teaching jobs.

It has been too easy for unqualified foreigners to be hired, in part because those with the proper qualifications are too expensive for many schools, Chaturon was quoted as saying by the state Thai News Agency.

[Frijole]

Well, that explains his "breasts" then... Probably already on estrogen.  

Many years ago, in college, I did a study on transexualism for biology class.  People who want a sex change TRULY believe they are trapped in the body of the wrong sex.  Seems to me he was doing just "fine" as a man, raping young girls and "marrying" them...  

I don't think he always wanted to be a lesbian... makes no sense.... I think he wanted to hide his identity.

Regardless - one sick puppy.

[Carnut]

Yeah, a couple of standard deviations away from normal.

[Jacqueline]

Yeah, a couple of standard deviations away from normal.

The more time goes on with this I am almost 100 percent certain this guy is not the guy who killed her.

I understand wanting to investigate him for a plethera of reasons but why did they have to make such an issue of this until they knew for sure?

Stupid move.

[Carnut]

Unoh, here's a story that says a person can have two different DNA's in their own body.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2315693&page=1

Might cause problems with DNA matches on some things in the future.

[tidycat]

There was a CSI episode where the perp had two different DNAs in his body.  
Explanation was he was a Chimera.  Have to look up that definition!  Part human, part something else in mythology, but for some logical biological reason, it can happen that a person has two strains of DNA.

??

[mrs. red]

There was a CSI episode where the perp had two different DNAs in his body.  
Explanation was he was a Chimera.  Have to look up that definition!  Part human, part something else in mythology, but for some logical biological reason, it can happen that a person has two strains of DNA.

??

how interesting... but then would you be the only with that match of DNA of either strain?

[thirdstrike]

There was a CSI episode where the perp had two different DNAs in his body.  
Explanation was he was a Chimera.  Have to look up that definition!  Part human, part something else in mythology, but for some logical biological reason, it can happen that a person has two strains of DNA.

??

how interesting... but then would you be the only with that match of DNA of either strain?

Yeah, just watched a show about this just last week (ABC Primtime: Medical Mysteries).  They profiled (2) women who the state was trying to take their kids away because DNA tests done to compare them did not match (even though in one case, the child was born in the presence of a state social worker).  Again, they threatened to remove the child from the home...

Turns out that this condition does, in fact, have the person carry (2) seperate DNA strands.  One is their own, and one is from a lost twin who lives microscopically inside the person.  Pretty strange stuff...but it does exist.