JonBenet Ramsey

[mrs. red]

There was a CSI episode where the perp had two different DNAs in his body.  
Explanation was he was a Chimera.  Have to look up that definition!  Part human, part something else in mythology, but for some logical biological reason, it can happen that a person has two strains of DNA.

??

how interesting... but then would you be the only with that match of DNA of either strain?

Yeah, just watched a show about this just last week (ABC Primtime: Medical Mysteries).  They profiled (2) women who the state was trying to take their kids away because DNA tests done to compare them did not match (even though in one case, the child was born in the presence of a state social worker).  Again, they threatened to remove the child from the home...

Turns out that this condition does, in fact, have the person carry (2) seperate DNA strands.  One is their own, and one is from a lost twin who lives microscopically inside the person.  Pretty strange stuff...but it does exist.

oh... I have heard about the twin thing... that's still kinda weird... and they were taking the kids just based on DNA?  We need to start another thread on this one... it's very interesting to me...

[thirdstrike]

There was a CSI episode where the perp had two different DNAs in his body.  
Explanation was he was a Chimera.  Have to look up that definition!  Part human, part something else in mythology, but for some logical biological reason, it can happen that a person has two strains of DNA.

??

how interesting... but then would you be the only with that match of DNA of either strain?

Yeah, just watched a show about this just last week (ABC Primtime: Medical Mysteries).  They profiled (2) women who the state was trying to take their kids away because DNA tests done to compare them did not match (even though in one case, the child was born in the presence of a state social worker).  Again, they threatened to remove the child from the home...

Turns out that this condition does, in fact, have the person carry (2) seperate DNA strands.  One is their own, and one is from a lost twin who lives microscopically inside the person.  Pretty strange stuff...but it does exist.

oh... I have heard about the twin thing... that's still kinda weird... and they were taking the kids just based on DNA?  We need to start another thread on this one... it's very interesting to me...

Yeah, basically, the mother was applying for financial assistance (i'm not sure if it was welfare or some other program).  Anyway, they tested the kids to make sure they were hers, and that she wasn't falsifying the application for her own economic gain.  When the test came back, they threatened to remove the kids from the home, as they were testing as not being hers.  That's the reason why they were going to take the kids initially...

It was a very interesting program though...

[LouiseVargas]

Well, John Karr arrived in Los Angeles today and a helicopter took him downtown to the Twin Towers jail. He will not drink champaign there, nor eat prawns. He had a bologna sandwich and an apple for lunch.

Does anyone want to discuss handwriting samples? We have three samples but I've only seen the yearbook and the ransom note but not his handwriting in Thailand.

A handwriting expert in Boulder declared at the time that the ransom note was written by Patsy Ramsey.

Anyone?

[KatzHome]

Do we have a handwriting sample of his, Louise?  I'd like to see what an expert has to say about it...

But, mostly I'm interested in hearing about DNA evidence...

Was there DNA evidence under Jon Bennet's fingernails as well as some in her panties?

And I'd like to know if his DNA matches up...

I haven't had a chance to keep up with the news these last couple of days ~ I'm getting ready for eye surgery tomorrow morning....  sorry ~ in a few days I'll be back up to speed...

[LouiseVargas]

FOX news is saying the exwife contends John Karr was home with her and the children on Christmas of 1996. She has produced some videos of John, of the children and of her ... but none of them show him with her and the children all together.

So he may very well have been in Boulder. My impression is that he was in Boulder for a while and knew the layout of the house.

There are also the emails he exchanged with a professor who finally alerted the authorities. I'd like to know more about them. Does anyone have info?

PS: The exwife also showed videos of when he was younger and he had that haircut you all call a "mullet." He played guitar and sang.

[mrs. red]

The Biography Channel is doing a piece on this case...

it's older I think...and it seems so slanted to the parents did it... and the DA and the police got into arguments...

I would love to know more about the handwriting... I just heard Greta say they said they couldn't prove it was Patsy's writing but they couldn't prove it wasn't...

I hope there is closure for this case eventually!!

[LouiseVargas]

KatzHome,

I'm going to look for the samples. I find that part fascinating.

Best of luck on your eye operation.

With love, Louise

[mrs. red]

I am watching this special... there was a stun gun used on this poor child?  there was a foot print and hand print in the basement.... WOW... I didn't knwo a lot about this case... not at all...

there was evidence that the grate was moved and that there was evidence that there was an intruder....

[KatzHome]

I am watching this special... there was a stun gun used on this poor child?  there was a foot print and hand print in the basement.... WOW... I didn't knwo a lot about this case... not at all...

there was evidence that the grate was moved and that there was evidence that there was an intruder....

Thank you, Louise {{{hugs}}}  I love you!


And, yeah, Mrs. Red ~ there were marks like from a stun gun on her...  I kinda wish I got that channel...

But, I'm supposed to be cleaning anyways!!!!!  

[Jacqueline]

As for the handwriting and the note:

John Ramsey was cleared of not writing it by experts...

As for Patsy, no expert actually said she wrote the note but one said that there were a couple of similarities with some letters and that she could not be entirely ruled out.

IMO handwriting anylasis is a good tool, but not an exact science.

I honestly in my heart do not think Patsy had anything to do with the death of her daughter.

[Jacqueline]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-21-ramsey-suspect_x.htm?csp=24

Lance Clem, spokesman for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, said Monday that no DNA from Karr had been sent to the state lab. An analysis could be done within two days, said Kevin Lothridge of the National Forensic Science Technology Center in Largo, Fla., which audits crime labs for the U.S. government.

[KatzHome]

For crying out loud, Jacq ~ what are they waiting for?  Do they need a court order to get a sample from him or something like that?

I had so hoped that they had found Jon Bennet's murderer ~ but I'm just not so sure that they have...

I'm waiting on the DNA testing...

[Jacqueline]

For crying out loud, Jacq ~ what are they waiting for?  Do they need a court order to get a sample from him or something like that?

I had so hoped that they had found Jon Bennet's murderer ~ but I'm just not so sure that they have...

I'm waiting on the DNA testing...

For some reason, even though they took the dna sample in Thailand, they have not sent it over here yet.

Actually, I would feel better if we just took our own sample and had it tested.  It really should not take too long...

How you doin????

[KatzHome]

Yeah ~ I'd prefer it if we just took our own sample too.  And it shouldn't take all that long to get the results either...

DNA under her fingernails?  Do I have that right?  And also in her panties?  I'm leaning towards trusting the fingernails more...

I'm doing good ~ and how about you?  Just doesn't look like I'm gonna get any sleep tonight...  I guess I'll sleep real good later on, when I get home....  

[Jacqueline]

Yeah ~ I'd prefer it if we just took our own sample too.  And it shouldn't take all that long to get the results either...

DNA under her fingernails?  Do I have that right?  And also in her panties?  I'm leaning towards trusting the fingernails more...

I'm doing good ~ and how about you?  Just doesn't look like I'm gonna get any sleep tonight...  I guess I'll sleep real good later on, when I get home....  

Yes, there was male dna under her fingernails and in her panties that could not be matched.

Did I read somewhere where you are getting eye surgery?

Wishing you a speedy recovery!

[KatzHome]

I only read about the DNA under her fingernails since they caught this guy in Thailand...  and I was hoping it wasn't just a rumor...

And yeah ~ I am ~ and thank you very much for the well wishes!  {{{hugs}}}

I'm really getting sleepy ~ I think I'm going to lie down for a half hour nap or something...

[Jacqueline]

A law enforcement official said last week on condition of anonymity that Karr was given a mouth-swab DNA test in Bangkok, but the results of that test were not known.

The Boulder district attorney's spokeswoman declined to comment on any evidence in the case.

Gimme a break with this nonsense...

Don't tell me they're taking tips from how ALE runs their investigations....................

[Jacqueline]

I only read about the DNA under her fingernails since they caught this guy in Thailand...  and I was hoping it wasn't just a rumor...

And yeah ~ I am ~ and thank you very much for the well wishes!  {{{hugs}}}

I'm really getting sleepy ~ I think I'm going to lie down for a half hour nap or something...

Enjoy!
I love naps....

[KatzHome]

A law enforcement official said last week on condition of anonymity that Karr was given a mouth-swab DNA test in Bangkok, but the results of that test were not known.

The Boulder district attorney's spokeswoman declined to comment on any evidence in the case.

Gimme a break with this nonsense...

Don't tell me they're taking tips from how ALE runs their investigations....................

You know they've gotta get this one right, Jacq...  I think they want it to be him so bad...  to finally catch the person who did that to her...

ALE should catch a clue from them ~ and FIND some evidence against Joran & company...

And yeah ~ naps are cool.... so hard to post back...  falling asleep in the middle...  see ya in a bit ~ I have the alarm set...  nighters...

[Jacqueline]

A law enforcement official said last week on condition of anonymity that Karr was given a mouth-swab DNA test in Bangkok, but the results of that test were not known.

The Boulder district attorney's spokeswoman declined to comment on any evidence in the case.

Gimme a break with this nonsense...

Don't tell me they're taking tips from how ALE runs their investigations....................

You know they've gotta get this one right, Jacq...  I think they want it to be him so bad...  to finally catch the person who did that to her...

ALE should catch a clue from them ~ and FIND some evidence against Joran & company...

And yeah ~ naps are cool.... so hard to post back...  falling asleep in the middle...  see ya in a bit ~ I have the alarm set...  nighters...

I know...Patience is a virtue.....

Catch ya later....

Nighty night....