JonBenet Ramsey

[mrs. red]

Stranger everyday!

I heard this morning that the family came up with another photo from Christmas -- but still without him in it.

I don't know about you -- but until they come up with a photo of that Christmas with him IN IT -- proving he could not have been in Boulder -- I'm not too interested in their family photo album.

This is just way too strange.

I wish we could hear more about the possible connection with the Boulder man who committed suicide and his 'partner's' get rich quick scheme.

That 'sbtc' in the yearbook really creeps me out

this entire thing creeps me out.... it's all too much to even follow.. I have to wonder about the photographs too... why can't they find any? The DNA is the one thing I really count on... I think Dr. Baden and Dr. Lee said that there is still a possibility of the DNA being able to answer some questions...

and I think the college professor - Tracey is egging Karr on... he has a book out and seems to be interviewed and making $$ too.....

[Jacqueline]

Stranger everyday!

I heard this morning that the family came up with another photo from Christmas -- but still without him in it.

I don't know about you -- but until they come up with a photo of that Christmas with him IN IT -- proving he could not have been in Boulder -- I'm not too interested in their family photo album.

This is just way too strange.

I wish we could hear more about the possible connection with the Boulder man who committed suicide and his 'partner's' get rich quick scheme.

That 'sbtc' in the yearbook really creeps me out

this entire thing creeps me out.... it's all too much to even follow.. I have to wonder about the photographs too... why can't they find any? The DNA is the one thing I really count on... I think Dr. Baden and Dr. Lee said that there is still a possibility of the DNA being able to answer some questions...

and I think the college professor - Tracey is egging Karr on... he has a book out and seems to be interviewed and making $$ too.....

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Not surprised to hear that.

Sad. very sad.

[mrs. red]

Stranger everyday!
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and I think the college professor - Tracey is egging Karr on... he has a book out and seems to be interviewed and making $$ too.....

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Not surprised to hear that.

Sad. very sad.

I think Greta and Nancy Grace both mentioned Tracey....

[cp405]

Did anyone else hear on the news yesterday that one of his exwives said he had signed SBTC on some letters to her?  I think it was Fox, but not sure.  I only heard it one time and if true, I think that is quite compelling.  But we all know, we do get a lot of misinformation from the MSM.

[Jacqueline]

SBTC Ministry of Small Business, Tourism, and Culture (Canada)
SBTC Saved By the Cross
SBTC Small Business Technology Coalition
SBTC Stream-Based Trace Compression


I did not hear that yet CP...

Only that the yearbook contained it...

This is so bizarre.

[Jacqueline]

John, what about this phraseology? I mean, he uses this "SBTC" in notes through the years, starting in high school and then going on later. It doesn't appear in the ransom note, but this "shall be the conqueror," do you see people — well, it is in the ransom note in the bottom, "SBTC," and it's in the yearbook. Is that a giveaway that the same person wrote it?

HARGETT: I wouldn't necessarily say that's a giveaway, but I have to admit that it's very interesting that the "SBTC" appeared both — "shall be the conqueror" — in the yearbook and the "SBTC" appearing on the note.

[sharon]

John, what about this phraseology? I mean, he uses this "SBTC" in notes through the years, starting in high school and then going on later. It doesn't appear in the ransom note, but this "shall be the conqueror," do you see people — well, it is in the ransom note in the bottom, "SBTC," and it's in the yearbook. Is that a giveaway that the same person wrote it?

HARGETT: I wouldn't necessarily say that's a giveaway, but I have to admit that it's very interesting that the "SBTC" appeared both — "shall be the conqueror" — in the yearbook and the "SBTC" appearing on the note.

That's why I think he was involved.

Even if he was not the actual perpertrator.

Still would like to hear more about the Boulder man who comitted suicide right after the Boulder police reported that they were 'very close' to eliminating all but one suspect from their list (which was not the truth -- just a tactic).

Or is this just a wierd series of coincidences
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[cp405]

Found this on Fox, it was the mother of his first wife.

Ray's mother, Melissa Shotts, said she recalled seeing the initials S.B.T.C. at the bottom of the letters Karr wrote to her daughter. Those initials also appeared at the bottom of the ransom letter that John and Patsy Ramsey told police in Boulder, Colorado, they found in their house when their daughter disappeared.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209953,00.html

[Jacqueline]

Found this on Fox, it was the mother of his first wife.

Ray's mother, Melissa Shotts, said she recalled seeing the initials S.B.T.C. at the bottom of the letters Karr wrote to her daughter. Those initials also appeared at the bottom of the ransom letter that John and Patsy Ramsey told police in Boulder, Colorado, they found in their house when their daughter disappeared.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209953,00.html

Thanks CP.

This is soooooooooooo creepy.

[Jennifer34]

Did anyone see JonBenet; Anatomy of an investigation with Bill Kurtis on A&E last night?  I saw part of it and fell asleep.  Very good review of how this case got so off course in the beginning and answered some good questions.  I hope its on my dvr so I can see the end of it when I get home.

[sharon]

No, I didn't see that Jennifer34.

If you get to watch the end, please share anything interesting you learned.

thanks

[Jacqueline]

Did anyone see JonBenet; Anatomy of an investigation with Bill Kurtis on A&E last night?  I saw part of it and fell asleep.  Very good review of how this case got so off course in the beginning and answered some good questions.  I hope its on my dvr so I can see the end of it when I get home.

I didn't see it last night, but I love Bill Kurits productions...Usually very accurate and thoroughly done!

[Jennifer34]

I agree about Bill Kurtis also.  That is why I thought this was so well done and informative.  Especially for people trying to go back to the beginning or refresh your memory on the case.  I will let you all know what I find out.

[Jacqueline]

I am certain the Boulder must know the DNA results.

Yet they are not releasing them...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Wonder what that means...

I'm thinking if they matched they would be shouting it out  to the rafters...

[Appeals]

SBTC Ministry of Small Business, Tourism, and Culture (Canada)
SBTC Saved By the Cross
SBTC Small Business Technology Coalition
SBTC Stream-Based Trace Compression


I did not hear that yet CP...

Only that the yearbook contained it...

This is so bizarre.

SUN BURST TALENT CONTEST in Georgia, which JonBenet entered.  There are rumors of child porno/pedophilia ring in Boulder, with high up government officials involved.  One of the photographers of beauty pageants tried to get JonBenet's costume maker to let the costumer's little girl be photographed nude.  That photographer "freaked" after JonBenet's death.  Could the SBTC come back to that pedophilia ring that was tied to the beauty pageants?  A community activist tried to be allowed to testify about the porno ring when the grand jury was meeting on the case.  The judge denied him that opportunity.  Is this underbelly sounding somewhat familiar?  Is the judge assigned to hear JMK's hearing Monday the same judge that ran the grand jury?

[Appeals]

John, what about this phraseology? I mean, he uses this "SBTC" in notes through the years, starting in high school and then going on later. It doesn't appear in the ransom note, but this "shall be the conqueror," do you see people — well, it is in the ransom note in the bottom, "SBTC," and it's in the yearbook. Is that a giveaway that the same person wrote it?

HARGETT: I wouldn't necessarily say that's a giveaway, but I have to admit that it's very interesting that the "SBTC" appeared both — "shall be the conqueror" — in the yearbook and the "SBTC" appearing on the note.

That's why I think he was involved.

Even if he was not the actual perpertrator.


Still would like to hear more about the Boulder man who comitted suicide right after the Boulder police reported that they were 'very close' to eliminating all but one suspect from their list (which was not the truth -- just a tactic).

Or is this just a wierd series of coincidences
.

Is this the same "suicide" where there was a pillow used to muffle the sound?  The one where the gun is found in an almost impossible angle to have been used by the deceased?  When have you ever heard of a suicidal man worrying about who hears the shot?

[Appeals]

What do you all think about Jamie Harmon, the attorney who claims, along with Patience VanZandt, to be representing JMK?

I have personally had communication with someone who had personal experience with Jamie, and if her story of what happened turned out to be true (and I have been told her family has filed a formal complaint with the Ca State Bar), it would look like, in my personal non-professional opinion, to be inadequate legal representation at the very least in that case.


Further, I think I heard on MSM this a.m. that Jamie is pregnant and would be giving birth just a few months after the trial is to start?

And that her firm has hired a 29 year old lawyer with essentially no experience out of Colorado to assist them?  In my personal opinion  this "representation" is getting more and more bizarre by the minute.

And then there is the Boulder Public Defender who claims he has met with Karr within the last 24 hours and that no one outside his office is defending Karr.  (if I heard that MSM clip correctly)

[mrs. red]

Appeals - I read some where that Jamie Harmon has had three allegations of misrepresentation ... uhmm... insufficent experience... dang the term escapes me now, but you will know... like a Real Estate attorney handling a murder.....

I can't remember where i read this...

[Appeals]

Appeals - I read some where that Jamie Harmon has had three allegations of misrepresentation ... uhmm... insufficent experience... dang the term escapes me now, but you will know... like a Real Estate attorney handling a murder.....

I can't remember where i read this...

Good morning, MRS. RED, and anyone else here this a.m.  I believe the correct term is "ineffective assistance of counsel" IIRC.  Nice term for "don't know what the he__ they are doing."  

[cp405]

Appeals, I believe I heard today that it was the same judge.