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« Reply #400 on: August 08, 2007, 12:02:02 AM »

I just don't believe the intruder theory ~ how did the person get inside?
I don't know but several doors and windows were unlocked and there were 26 keys that had been given out to contractors and one key hidden near the front door.
The basement window grate had been lifted and replaced down on top of fresh green vegetation with some indictions of debris having been brought from the ledge to the interior of the basement as if by someone scooting into the home through the building.

>Why would John Ramsey leave the house after his discovery of her body?
Well, the police told him to. That might be the reason he did it.

I remember all the keys given out.  Good grief!
There was also big discussion about the spider web(s) which had not been disturbed.  Talking about the basement window.
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« Reply #401 on: August 08, 2007, 12:38:29 AM »

the intruder could not find the front door to get jonbenet out of the house

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he was walking all around the house, writing notes, making things to choke people
moving bodies, and could not find a way to gt the girl out of the house

and must have have brought gloves but did not bring his own pen, paper, rope


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« Reply #402 on: August 08, 2007, 01:02:28 AM »

So, do you think Patsy killed her, and John helped or did the entire placement of her body....told Patsy what to write, etc.?

Or, did Patsy take care of everything, with John not finding out 'til morning?

Robots ~ how do you think it happened?
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« Reply #403 on: August 08, 2007, 01:07:09 AM »

So, do you think Patsy killed her, and John helped or did the entire placement of her body....told Patsy what to write, etc.?

Or, did Patsy take care of everything, with John not finding out 'til morning?

Robots ~ how do you think it happened?

it was a situation where patsy freaked out about the bed wetting

she didnt mean to kill her,,, but she died



patsy did everything, wrote the letter, put out all the fake stuff like the rope around the neck, put her in the basement, etc etc etc


john knew it, he helped patsy cover it up by supporting her...

why he did that..........because i think even he knew it was an accident

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« Reply #404 on: August 08, 2007, 01:12:31 AM »

So, do you think Patsy killed her, and John helped or did the entire placement of her body....told Patsy what to write, etc.?

Or, did Patsy take care of everything, with John not finding out 'til morning?

Robots ~ how do you think it happened?

it was a situation where patsy freaked out about the bed wetting

she didnt mean to kill her,,, but she died



patsy did everything, wrote the letter, put out all the fake stuff like the rope around the neck, put her in the basement, etc etc etc


john knew it, he helped patsy cover it up by supporting her...

why he did that..........because i think even he knew it was an accident
Agree with all of the above ~ guess Patsy took it to her grave, and obviously John will never say a word . . .

Earlier, when I mentioned Burke, my brother (clinical psychologist) lived in Boulder at the time; he and some of his cohorts felt that Burke might have done *something* to JonBenet, due to jealously blah blah blah.

And, of course, then Patsy had to take care of the mess. 
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« Reply #405 on: August 08, 2007, 01:57:23 AM »

So, do you think Patsy killed her, and John helped or did the entire placement of her body....told Patsy what to write, etc.?

Or, did Patsy take care of everything, with John not finding out 'til morning?

Robots ~ how do you think it happened?

it was a situation where patsy freaked out about the bed wetting

she didnt mean to kill her,,, but she died



patsy did everything, wrote the letter, put out all the fake stuff like the rope around the neck, put her in the basement, etc etc etc


john knew it, he helped patsy cover it up by supporting her...

why he did that..........because i think even he knew it was an accident
Agree with all of the above ~ guess Patsy took it to her grave, and obviously John will never say a word . . .

Earlier, when I mentioned Burke, my brother (clinical psychologist) lived in Boulder at the time; he and some of his cohorts felt that Burke might have done *something* to JonBenet, due to jealously blah blah blah.

And, of course, then Patsy had to take care of the mess. 

i could easily go along with that... it makes sense

he banged her head.....

and the cover up went on from that point
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« Reply #406 on: August 08, 2007, 01:43:47 PM »

Concerning this "left the house and then returned an hour later":

Didn't happen. Never left. Not for an hour. Not for a minute. Its pure internet fantasy.

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« Reply #407 on: August 08, 2007, 04:51:49 PM »

I don't think that's it. There's no explanantion for the sexual abuse or the DNA. Or the shoe print, or the scuff mark on the wall.
If Patsy had been upset about the bed wetting, someone would have known that it bothered her.....the pediatrician, Patsy's friends,.....someone. Why hit a kid with a heavy flashlight, anyway? That makes no sense either. JB was not abused ever before, so why would Patsy just hit her hard enough to kill her with the flashlight all of a sudden one night?
And if Burke hurt JB...why a cover-up? He would never have gone to jail. By all accounts, he's a nice, normal kid considering what he's been through. I can't see him hitting his sister in the head with a flashlight either.
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« Reply #408 on: August 08, 2007, 04:53:51 PM »

Concerning this "left the house and then returned an hour later":

Didn't happen. Never left. Not for an hour. Not for a minute. Its pure internet fantasy.




What? I'm not sure I follow you?????
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« Reply #409 on: August 08, 2007, 07:05:10 PM »

Concerning this "left the house and then returned an hour later":

Didn't happen. Never left. Not for an hour. Not for a minute. Its pure internet fantasy.




What? I'm not sure I follow you?????
Fools is talking about my comment: Why would John Ramsey leave the house after his discovery of her body?  That is incredible to me.

I read that in either the Schiller or Thomas book ~ I will try to find it after I fix supper.
Neither of these books have an index which just drives me whacko.  Shocked

You know, I'm not saying everything written is correct/true......I was just talking about what I remember reading.
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« Reply #410 on: August 08, 2007, 07:07:09 PM »

Concerning this "left the house and then returned an hour later":

Didn't happen. Never left. Not for an hour. Not for a minute. Its pure internet fantasy.
But see, how do you *know* this?  Please don't let me offend you......I really want to know how you know he never left?

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« Reply #411 on: August 08, 2007, 07:41:22 PM »

This "left the house and returned" may have started when a police officer saw John Ramsey looking at the mail and assumed he had left the house to get the mail but the house has no mailbox and JR simply picked the mail up from inside the house where it falls after the mailman puts it through the slot.

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« Reply #412 on: August 08, 2007, 10:39:24 PM »

Independent Confirmation of the Handwriting Analysis


Michelle Dresbold - Handwriting Analysis Expert Trained by the U. S. Secret Service:

“The chances that Patsy Ramsey did not write the ransom note are about 2 percent.”

Gideon Epstein - Forensic Document Examiner:

“Based on the presently available documents, there are strong indications that Patsy Ramsey is the author of the ransom note.”

David S. Liebman - Certified Document Examiner:

“There are far too many similarities and consistencies revealed in the handwriting of Patsy Ramsey and
the ransom note for it to be coincidence. In light of the number of comparisons and similarities between Patsy Ramsey and the ransom note writer (51), the chances of a third party also sharing the same characteristics is astronomical. In my professional opinion Patsy Ramsey is the ransom note writer.”

Tom Miller - Attorney, Court Qualified Expert Witness in Questioned Documents:

“Based upon available exemplars compared to the purported "ransom" note in the JonBenét Ramsey murder, the handwriting is probably that of Patsy Ramsey.”

Chet Ubowski - Colorado Bureau of Investigation Handwriting Expert:

Chet Ubowski wrote, "This handwriting showed indications that the writer was Patsy Ramsey.'' He is said to have found 24 of 26 letters in the ransom note which matched exemplars from Patsy Ramsey.

Cina L. Wong - Certified Document Examiner:

“I have made careful examination and comparison of the ‘ransom’ note and the exemplars of Patsy Ramsey. I have reached the conclusion that the handwritings and ‘ransom’ note were very probably written by the same person…it is my professional opinion that Patsy Ramsey very likely wrote the ‘ransom’ note.”

Larry F. Ziegler - Forensic Document Examiner:

“It was determined and is still determined by myself that Patsy Ramsey is the writer of the ransom note.”





 
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« Reply #413 on: August 08, 2007, 10:42:39 PM »

patsy wrote the note


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« Reply #414 on: August 08, 2007, 10:45:09 PM »

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« Reply #415 on: August 08, 2007, 10:53:27 PM »

Kidnappers do not leave 3 page ransom notes
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« Reply #416 on: August 08, 2007, 11:11:21 PM »

Patsy was wearing the same clothes from the night before.


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« Reply #417 on: August 09, 2007, 12:04:57 AM »

Robots ~ Totally agree with the handwriting findings, and yes I remember she had on the same clothes ~ mentioned that she put her make-up on at 4:30 that morning.  Get real.

And yes, what kind of person is going to sit around writing a rambling, somewhat incoherent ransom note of 3 pages.

For me, it was suspicious from day 1. 

Do you remember how the parents distanced themselves from each other ~ when the police were there?  Always thought that was odd, too.
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« Reply #418 on: August 09, 2007, 12:13:54 AM »

Robots ~ Totally agree with the handwriting findings, and yes I remember she had on the same clothes ~ mentioned that she put her make-up on at 4:30 that morning.  Get real.

And yes, what kind of person is going to sit around writing a rambling, somewhat incoherent ransom note of 3 pages.

For me, it was suspicious from day 1. 

Do you remember how the parents distanced themselves from each other ~ when the police were there?  Always thought that was odd, too.

yep, i remember that about the parents

if patsy did it, and john helped in the cover up....

WHY did he help in the cover up  ????

blackmail ???? 





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« Reply #419 on: August 09, 2007, 02:02:02 AM »

>Tom Miller - Attorney, Court Qualified Expert Witness in Questioned Documents:
Disbarred attorney isn't it? He went to a midnight meeting at which a cash bribe of thirty grand was offered. Honest type guy, eh?

>Cina L. Wong - Certified Document Examiner:
She SELLS pens at a stationery store. You know, a retail sales clerk.
She is a member of a document examiner association but ANYONE who pays dues to it can become a member! If you are willing to pay the dues, why don't YOU join it. It won't make you know anything about examining documents but you can put it on your business cards.
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