Natalee Case Discussion #690 11/21 - 11/23/2007

[2NJSons_Mom]

I thought I heard Dave or someone say that one ship's purpose was a documentary.  Maybe I'm wrong.

Happy Thanksgiving, all.  We'll be on our way to dinner shortly.

[casa]

OK now that i can post lol I was wondering... This am on CNN the woman lawer for Joran ... She said "he is being requestioned about the crime well I mean not the crime just going over original statements" I was like opps u really screwed up with that! I think it spoke Volumes as to what she does and doesnt know! Im wondering is anyone else saw it was tryin to find vid of it all mornin but no luck. if it has been said im sorry just been trying to catch up and get signed in

I also noticed that and also think it is a very telling slip of the tongue.

[Rob]

We have two new Fox News Videos

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

Paul Reynolds and also from Aruba - Ricardo Yarzagaray.

For those unable to get FOX, you will find a lot of the new videos there.

***All videos courtesy of Carpe Noctem***

[Nut44x4]

ARUBA 3 BUSTED AGAIN - NEW EVIDENCE IN NATALEE VANISHING
 
The three major suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba were rearrested yesterday because prosecutors say new evidence has come to light.

Dutch national Joran van der Sloot, 20, and Surinamese brothers Satish, 21, and Deepak Kalpoe, 24, were collared on suspicion of involvement in manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that caused the death of the 18-year-old vacationer, the Aruban public prosecutor's office said in a statement.

"The public prosecutor's office has ordered their renewed arrest because further investigation into the disappearance has led to new incriminating evidence," the statement said.

Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar with the three men on May 30, 2005, hours before she was set to board a plane home with high school classmates celebrating their graduation on the island.

Van der Sloot was arrested in Holland, where he attends college. He's expected to be flown to Aruba, a territory of the Netherlands. The Kalpoe brothers were arrested in Aruba.

The brothers are set to appear in Aruban court tomorrow, when prosecutors will likely present the new evidence to a judge. A court date in the island had not yet been set for van der Sloot.

Wim de Bruin, a spokesman for the Dutch national prosecutor's office, said van der Sloot could be sent to Aruba without an extradition hearing and the transfer would occur "within several days."

New York lawyer Joe Tacopina, who represents van der Sloot, said didn't know what kind of new evidence investigators had but was confident it wouldn't implicate his client. "We've been through all this before. I don't put too much stock in an arrest in this case," he told The Post.
His client and the Kalpoe brothers were first arrested in June 2005, but a judge ordered their release, citing insufficient evidence.

All three have denied any part in her disappearance. They were the last people seen with her.

Van der Sloot has said he dropped her off at her hotel and never saw her again.

Tacopina suspected any new material would not be forensic, but rather late-to-the-game witnesses.

"They've searched every grain of sand in that island and they've found nothing," said Tacopina. "I'm confident that this kid had nothing to do with her disappearance."
In April, investigators from the Netherlands dug around the home of van der Sloot's family for two days without revealing what prompted the search.

Then in May, Dutch and Aruban investigators visited the home where Deepak and Satish Kalpoe live with their parents for an "inspection.".

Ronny Wix, the Kalpoes' attorney, did not return requests for comment. The victim's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, didn't return calls.

Scott Balber, an attorney for Beth Holloway, last year filed a civil suit against the three suspects that was dismissed for being out of jurisdiction. Yesterday, he said the rearrests are "certainly vindicating."

Vinda de Sousa, an attorney for Dave Holloway, Natalee's father, said: "I'm as excited as the Holloway family can be. Anything new in this case . . . just gives you rekindled hope that one day this will be solved." 
http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100020825&docId=l:705285849&start=4

OMG..I hate JoeyT ...I can't wait to see his face when Joran goes to the pokey for good  hehehe

[San]

Joran liked to gamble and chances are from what we have read, he won a few and lost many.  I wonder how someone as young as he is, who has admittedly stolen money from his own parents could possibly pay a big gambling debt off if such occurred, which given his personality as we have seen, if it had not occurred, would occur soon. 

You cannot keep gamble ad nauseum without some way to make payment.  If he had carte blanche to the casinos, there must have been an arrangement as to how he could cover his gambling debts.  It makes one wonder what Guido's real role was here.  Was Joran being leaned on to repay some gambling debts?  Was Guido making arrangements to assist.

Hmmm.  I wonder if a snuff video would pay back a few gambling debts.  How many trips did he and his cohorts have to make to C&C's to find enough women to finally get to the point where this was possible to have that video. 

Was Croes in Florida the person whose information was in Deepak's pocket when he was arrested that would lead to a video that was downloaded.  Was that video downloaded before someone realized this was a real problem, that not only had Natalee passed out but she was now dead, unintended consequences to a snuff-video-gone-bad.  My understanding is that in only a few snuff videos does the victim actually die, but fakes death.  Natalee was not a willing player so they had to drug her to get her to be near death, but death ensued.

Was this video made in hopes of blackmailing her family who Joran believed was "loaded with money, living on a plantation?" But the video became bigger than blackmail. 

There was obviously some financial gain sought by these pimps in making this appointment with destiny.  No doubt these skanks have been involved in similar activity in the past --- oh, yeah, nothing ever happened in those more than 20 times, but then it went bad that night. 

Why did it go bad?  Did they use more drugs on already intoxicated little person,  whose kidneys and liver just could not go on detoxing?

Did Deepak attempt to retrieve the video?  Did Freddy have the equipment?  What equipment was he "keeping?"

Yes I believe they were making a video to distribute.  Deepak must have had the video because they went to Freddy's house to return the camera.  What was on that camera.  Anita tried to throw everyone off by saying they took her camera.  They were never interested in Anita's camera.

[Tamikosmom]

Okay, thanks for clearing it up for me.  I guess I was interrupting incorrectly...when I read that Dave had hired a search "today", I was taking it literally. 

Dave mentioned on TV yesterday that he had just looked at the ship that would be doing the search.  I'm assuming it's the same ship Tim Miller has been talking about.  I could be wrong and their could be 2 difference ocean searches.  Didn't Dr. Hodges mention something about 2 different ocean searches on Dana last night?

I still think Dave is working with Tim on this one though.

Klaas ... in June, 2007 Tim Miller did reveal that two ships with the latest technology would be headed for Aruba to search for Natalee but ... it is my understanding that hurricane season was given as the reason the postponement.

Janet

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Tim Miller
FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007

MILLER: I don't think they can stand in our way. With the equipment we got and if we have to go in off of Venezuela. Whereever we need to go into, we've got the equipment. In fact they are more than welcome to be on the ship with us. The ships that we are taking over are a 265 foot ship and a 340 foot ship which have all the latest technology on it. In fact the owner of this company, Louis Shaeffer of Superior Offshore International, Louis called Dave Holloway up about two months ago when I was at Louis' house. He said "Mr Holloway, I'm going to promise you something, if your daughter is in a metal container out there in that water, we are going to bring her home."


Tim Miller
Dana Pretzer Show
June 8, 2007

Tim:  How can you put a timeline on it but you know with the size of these ships, the technology that we're going over there with, we're optimistic. These ships are actually equipped (inaudible) incredible company that's offering these services and again we're going to be interviewing them next week and it's something we've been wanting to make happen, for somebody to step forward. I've been talking to them since December ....

Credit: Heli - RU Site

[San]

From Scrux:

Jonathan45


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 Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:16 am    Post subject:   

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Anita van der Sloot said on the phone on Dutchtelevision [SBS-Actienieuws] tonight that she was told by the police that there will be a full reconstruction based on the timeline and the OM-woman Dop Kruimel stated new evidence was found by using new forensic technics.
She also confirmed that the remains of Natalee Holloway not have been found.
 

How would she know?  Oh maybe they are in her yard that's why.

[San]

So all those who say they are in the know...friends of anita.....didn't know she and Val were brought in for questioning.....even renHO didn't know it.....ROTFLMAO


 from RU.........all10suspects Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:48 pm   
Anita and Val interrogated!

Black-Tulip wrote:
Reaction from Anita.

Has no idea what evidence. The parents and Joran's lawyer were not notified in advance about this arrest. She is mainly angry because of the way this is handled.

Anita was asked to come to the police station two weeks ago. The was interrogated for three and a half hours. Same for Joran's 17 yo brother.

There the got the impression the police has not a shred of evidence, absolutely nothing.  guess anita got the wrong impression


I thought this should get its own thread. How come we never knew that
Anita and Val were brought in for interrogations? 

They brought Anita and Val in because I bet they have the proof they need that Val was with Anita in the Netherlands when Natalee died.

Paulus dragged another son into this crime to help cover for what he did by saying he had to go home and pick up his other kids who were at a friends house.  Even Joran jumped on the bandwagon and said my father had to leave to watch my little brother.  Then we have the lie about them getting on the bus without Joran.

[GrnLizrd]

Casa.... Im glad someone else saw that and the look she had as she stumbled to recover. Im glad Klaas reminded me she was civil Lawer but im sure she also has info to. Just seemed very tellin since no ifo is being leaked yet. Was trying to reply to your but still gettin used to the new site set up not sure how to reply to specific post yet and I was also busy fixing my cool Lizrd Klaas found me

[MumInOhio]

I wonder if this time when they questioned Anita and Val someone asked if the two young ones were in Aruba or in the Netherlands with Anita?

Someone posted earlier that Deepak had another phone, I'm sure Paulus had his own and Anita's, then we have Sander's 'lost' phone and Val's broken phone,plus the three perps phones. Lots of phones..broke, stolen and with no minutes..how convenient!

Could the Kalpoes lawyers actually have been stupid enough to turn over computer and phone logs etc in the Dr Phil case? 800 million...who would be that stupid?

The host on Fox kept calling J2Ks 'gentlemen' earlier...and Taco still calls Joran a boy.

[GrnLizrd]

CNN about to run something about "one" thier lawers reactions. Didnt say which of the 3

[Katysmom]

Anita:  "I think it's ridiculous after 2½ years to be doing this."

Why is it ridiculous, Anita???  Did you think that Beth would just walk away and say "oh well"?  It's been 2 1/2 years and Beth still does not have Natalee.  2 1/2 years these three jerks have been walking around going on with their lives while 2 1/2 years ago Natalee's life ended.  The only thing ridiculous is that for 19 1/2 years YOU ANITA taught your son that it was OK to drink, OK to gamble, OK to kill dogs, OK to beat his little brother, OK to steal from your purse, OK to lie to the police.  If my son had done this, yes, I would still love him, but you can bet the farm that I would of been the first person to drag his butt down to the police station and order him to TELL THE TRUTH, TO STAND UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.  2 1/2 years or 50 1/2 years, whatever it takes.....JORAN WILL PAY.  Anita, you are a poor excuse for a mother.  God have mercy on your soul, because he is the only one who will. 

[casa]

Casa.... Im glad someone else saw that and the look she had as she stumbled to recover. Im glad Klaas reminded me she was civil Lawer but im sure she also has info to. Just seemed very tellin since no ifo is being leaked yet. Was trying to reply to your but still gettin used to the new site set up not sure how to reply to specific post yet and I was also busy fixing my cool Lizrd Klaas found me

You look wonderful with your Christmas finery, GrnLizrd!  Yes, very telling!  Sometimes we let what we really feel slip out when we don't mean to!  They are his lawyers whether civil or criminal and have to proclaim his innoncence, but I will be SO glad when the truth is finallly known and they can quit lying for the POS!

[casa]

CNN about to run something about "one" thier lawers reactions. Didnt say which of the 3

Thanks, GrnLizrd!  I am running back and forth between living room and kitchen!  Making dressing and watching tv/computer! haha

[MumInOhio]

San..We're both thinking alike on why they bought Val in again. Wonder about his phone too. Never crossed my mind until today that it could have been broken that night.

[klaasend]

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Van der sloot dilanti huez comisario       
Thursday, 22 November 2007 


Diahuebs Joran van der Sloot despues di a wordo arresta na su cas na Arnhem un dia anterior a wordo presenta dilanti huez comisario na Hulanda. E abogado di e hoben na Hulanda Sr.van den Eeden ta premira cu diabierna Joran lo wordo transporta pa Aruba. E la bisa cu Joran ta hopi emocional debi cu e la custuma cu un bida normal na Hulanda y awor esaki a pasa.

Through translator:

van der sloot fast huez comisario
thursday, 22 november 2007

diahuebs joran van der sloot after of owing to wordo arresta at his cas at arnhem one day anterior owing to wordo present fast huez comisario at the netherlands. the advocate of the young at the netherlands sr.van in eeden is premira cu diabierna joran will wordo transporta for aruba. the la tell cu joran is much emocional debi cu the la custuma cu one life normal at the netherlands y now this owing to happen. come across

My translation:

Joran started crying when he realized he can no longer lie his way out of this
 

[GrnLizrd]

I guess the one good thing about not cooking and being alone today is a I can #1 spend the day here with u guys and # 2 try and keep up with stuff LOL

[Nut44x4]

Anita:  "I think it's ridiculous after 2½ years to be doing this."

Why is it ridiculous, Anita???  Did you think that Beth would just walk away and say "oh well"?  It's been 2 1/2 years and Beth still does not have Natalee.  2 1/2 years these three jerks have been walking around going on with their lives while 2 1/2 years ago Natalee's life ended.  The only thing ridiculous is that for 19 1/2 years YOU ANITA taught your son that it was OK to drink, OK to gamble, OK to kill dogs, OK to beat his little brother, OK to steal from your purse, OK to lie to the police.  If my son had done this, yes, I would still love him, but you can bet the farm that I would of been the first person to drag his butt down to the police station and order him to TELL THE TRUTH, TO STAND UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.  2 1/2 years or 50 1/2 years, whatever it takes.....JORAN WILL PAY.  Anita, you are a poor excuse for a mother.  God have mercy on your soul, because he is the only one who will. 

Good post Katy. I too have a Son and I agree totally.

[GrnLizrd]

Does anyone else get reminded of Scott Petersons mom Who is STILL in denial?
I also agree your love for your children never stops and some times you cant control there actions but at a point there is a fine line between condoning and denial if i said that right.

[klaasend]

Hope this hasn't already been posted.  From Heli at RU:

FNC Nov 22, 2007 TRANSCRIPT

November 22, 2007


Fox News:

Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested at one point and released for lack of evidence, then yesterday Natalee Holloway's father got the news that they had been arrested again.

Dave:

We knew that we had a deadline of December 31 and when it was going to happen we really weren't sure. I was returning from our deer camp and I got a telephone call from the FBI early today and they indicated that arrests had already been made in the case and it just gives us hope that they're still involved and maybe we'll finally get some answers.

FNC:

Dave Holloway isn't leaving the investigation to police; HE IS HIRING PEOPLE TO DO A PRIVATE SEARCH OF THE WATERS OFF ARUBA hoping to find clues somewhere in the ocean.

Phil Keating is live for us in Aruba right now. Phil, any idea what this new evidence is?

Phil:

No, no idea at all just simply speculation here on the island and in the United States. That remains have been found, most people don't believe that's the case and the speculation with insiders who have followed the case for the past 2-1/2 years is that they believe one of the three suspects has incriminated one of the other two or the inconsistencies have materialized further and they now have enough to file charges.

FNC:

So they haven't found Natalee's remains yet . Are they hopeful that at some time they still might be able to do that?

Phil:

Well, believe it or not her father Dave Holloway is actually coming down to the island with a team of scuba divers as well as navigators to map the floor of the ocean off of Aruba, the western coast of Aruba. Those were actually the waters that were searched 2-1/2 years ago however aruban authorities never searched the ocean below the depth of 330 feet, so her father believes that if they go further than 330 feet, there is a chance that they may actually find the remains of his daughter. Obviously he believes that she was seriously weighed down.

FNC:

Phil what's the reaction of people in Aruba to these arrests?

Phil:

The arubans were never too fond of the american media coverage, they thought the media was blowing it out of all proportions in light of the fact that the United States has a free wheeling press, the First Amendment. Practices and customs here are not as free wheeling here and I talked to some locals here today and I said 'hey, how do arubans feel about the big news, 3 arrests?' I was told by 3 people that nobody's talking about it, that's old news. Big news in the US though, that's for sure John.

FNC:

Phil Keating for us live in Aruba, thanks Phil.

Let's bring in Rob Wheeler, he's a former DC homicide detective. Good afternoon and Happy Thanksgiving.

Two and a half years, what do you suppose this is?

Wheeler:

That's an interesting question and I believe everybody is trying to figure out what exactly could the evidence be. Let me tell you that back in April John of this year, the aruban authorities started digging around the outer portions of the van der Sloot home. Well a month later, in the month of May for some reason, they started digging around the Kalpoe home.

According to the Kalpoe's parents yesterday, the issued a statement saying for the past couple of months the authorities have been aggressively questioning their sons as well as Joran van der Sloot. A lot of people are wondering what could the evidence be.

The other interesting thing John is now the authorities have actually given it a criminal title in terms of voluntary manslaughter (**guess Wheeler wasn't paying attention at the outset of this trial when J2K's were arrested on suspicion of kidnap, murder etc.) So what they're actually saying in essence John is that Natalee's death was the result of an emotional or ental outrage of some kind or some kind of a passionate related death. So I think it's going to be interesting to see exactly what evidence is going to be produced in court tomorrow and on Monday

FNC:

Given all the time that's passed, i would imagine that the stories that these suspects are telling about what happened to Natalee might have changed and maybe that's why police went in and arrested them but doesn't the passage of time also give their defense sort of an out?

Wheeler:

They're definitely going to be looking for an out, but again that's an interesting observation. You see the other part to that John, and this is what I find very interesting, who knows what exactly these Kalpoe brothers or Joran have said to other people over the course of the past two years because I think it could be a combination of some statements that they've said to someone else that could be incriminating but remember, something led the police back to Joran's home, back to the Kalpoe home, they never said what it was but then ultimately it will be real interesting to see what evidence they have.

They're saying John that it's incriminating evidence; it's almost like they have some kind of physical evidence.

FNC:

You think somebody might have been doing some talking in the intervening years

Wheeler:

That always happens John, somebody maybe says something to someone, they tipped of the cops and the cops followed up on it and hopefully the Holloway family will get some closure.