Natalee Case Discussion #690 11/21 - 11/23/2007

[Peaches]

Jossy just said as soon as the Judge of Instructions was done today, we'll know what the evidence is.  He told Megyn "oh we'll know".

NONE!! And Tyler here at the same time.  Three arrests.

It's a great day.

[San]

Today will be an interesting day.  RUN Paulus RUN!  If Deepak and Satish have a brain in their collective bodies, they'll start spilling the beans - and JVDS will arrive to a sea of not knowing what hit him.  Hopefully this weekend, they'll haul PVDS in too.

The fact that they have not hauled Paulus' ass in prison makes me suspicious.  Ben Vocking, Rudy Croes, Dennis Jacobs are Paulus' friends and they are still in charge.

To me the Van der Sloots are playing the I'm so worried and this is not fair to Joran with the media.  I believe they know exactly what is happening.  Anita is actress and she can turn it on and off with the best of them.

I am watching it all play out and if it results in the conviction of Joran I will say they have done their job.  If it doesn't I will say this was all part of the overall plan.

[San]

Fox and Friends (8.23) Jossy Mansur on the phone - must be some scientific evidence - something to do with the findings of the forensic team.  Doesn`t think it could have been an accidental death.  

Because of all the blood involved.

[MumInOhio]

Has anyone heard who the Judge of Instruction is?  Are we still left with Paulus' cronies? TIA

[igsigs]

Gretawire

K hearing between 1 and 3:00 today.

They snagged vid of Sweaty leaving the courthouse. 

[Leslie]

Jossy said that Joran is expected to be on the 9.15 PM (21.15) KLM flight from Amsterdam.
http://www.airportaruba.com/en/flightinfo/arrivals/

[San]

I was under the impression that Val had been questioned before, but going over the Dr. Phil document request he is not listed. (unless I missed it). Does anyone remember hearing if he was. If indeed he was not, then I am led to believe that he was not in the house that night. And if ALE knew he was in the Netherlands they may not have questioned him early on. So why bring him in for questioning now? Is he involved in the new evidence they have? Was Joran so sure he was home free that he would discuss this with his younger brother? Sounds like he talked to someone, what an idiot!

You did not miss it he was not questioned.  I have always believe he was not in the house and he was in the Netherlands.  Maybe the reason they are questioning him now is because the KLPD noticed that both Joran and Paulus used him has part of their alibi in their statements by saying he was home and they know for a fact he was in the Netherlands with fathead Anita.

[AZLady]

Jossy said that Joran is expected to be on the 9.15 PM (21.15) KLM flight from Amsterdam.
http://www.airportaruba.com/en/flightinfo/arrivals/

We should get video of this arrival.  Wonder if Mommy and Daddy will meet his plane?   

[Leslie]

I noticed that the time in Aruba is one hour ahead of the eastern time zone.  I am in the same time zone as NYC and it is now 9.34 AM
42 Flights found at 10:32 (local time) on Friday, November 23rd 2007
Therefore, noon in Aruba is 11 AM in Montreal.

[Red]

Morning Monkeys.

Did any of us really think that these 3 were going to be able to keep their mouths shut?

Did any of us really think that if the evidence was really looked at by professionals w/o an agenda and an investigative case was really done behind the scenes that these 3 would not be nabbed?

Did any of us think that if Aruba was continually kept in the crosshairs and continued to be affected by tourism and the Natalee Holloway case did not go away that Aruba/Dutch police were going to have to do the right thing?

In any event the dominos are falling ...

[AZLady]

You did not miss it he was not questioned.  I have always believe he was not in the house and he was in the Netherlands.  Maybe the reason they are questioning him now is because the KLPD noticed that both Joran and Paulus used him has part of their alibi in their statements by saying he was home and they know for a fact he was in the Netherlands with fathead Anita.

I agree, San.  I've never read or heard of Val ever being questioned.  I, too, believe Anita had both younger boys with her in Netherlands.  This alibi of Paulus' was just a story.  Remember shango's alibi that was not an alibi?  I think it was Paulus he referenced, but that's just my opinion.

[San]

Jossy said that Joran is expected to be on the 9.15 PM (21.15) KLM flight from Amsterdam.
http://www.airportaruba.com/en/flightinfo/arrivals/

We should get video of this arrival.  Wonder if Mommy and Daddy will meet his plane?   

Just follow the trail of sweat.

[MumInOhio]

I was under the impression that Val had been questioned before, but going over the Dr. Phil document request he is not listed. (unless I missed it). Does anyone remember hearing if he was. If indeed he was not, then I am led to believe that he was not in the house that night. And if ALE knew he was in the Netherlands they may not have questioned him early on. So why bring him in for questioning now? Is he involved in the new evidence they have? Was Joran so sure he was home free that he would discuss this with his younger brother? Sounds like he talked to someone, what an idiot!

You did not miss it he was not questioned.  I have always believe he was not in the house and he was in the Netherlands.  Maybe the reason they are questioning him now is because the KLPD noticed that both Joran and Paulus used him has part of their alibi in their statements by saying he was home and they know for a fact he was in the Netherlands with fathead Anita.

We are seeing that they may have missed something from the dossiers. Could it be as simple as something like this? Though don't believe ALE 'missed' this! But it could have been what the Dutch have followed up on.

[Red]

Jossy just said as soon as the Judge of Instructions was done today, we'll know what the evidence is.  He told Megyn "oh we'll know".

NONE!! And Tyler here at the same time.  Three arrests.

It's a great day.

YES it is!

[San]

I noticed that the time in Aruba is one hour ahead of the eastern time zone.  I am in the same time zone as NYC and it is now 9.34 AM
42 Flights found at 10:32 (local time) on Friday, November 23rd 2007
Therefore, noon in Aruba is 11 AM in Montreal.

That's because we changed our clocks two weeks ago so now we are ahead.  When we change our clocks in April we will be on the same time zone again.  (I know you know this Leslie just wanted to explain in case anyone else didn't)

Edited:  Meant to say they are ahead.

[Red]

I will post more later ... I am on the road.

I will try and get more info from Tim, Jossy, Beth, etc ...

[AZLady]

Morning Monkeys.

Did any of us really think that these 3 were going to be able to keep their mouths shut?

Did any of us really think that if the evidence was really looked at by professionals w/o an agenda and an investigative case was really done behind the scenes that these 3 would not be nabbed?

Did any of us think that if Aruba was continually kept in the crosshairs and continued to be affected by tourism and the Natalee Holloway case did not go away that Aruba/Dutch police were going to have to do the right thing?

In any event the dominos are falling ...

This is the reason why we are all still here, Red.  We all knew that the pressure on Aruba had to be maintained if justice was to be served.  We knew as did the rest of the world that the three perps were "guilty as hell."  Thank you for giving us a voice and a place to gather to share our ideas.  Thank you for helping us organize in a manner that really has made a difference.  Yes, many little voices do make a loud noise, but they can only be understood if someone helps them all speak together, in one voice.  You've helped us do that and we appreciate it.

[igsigs]

Morning Monkeys.

Did any of us really think...

Did any of us really think...

Did any of us think...

In any event the dominos are falling ...

Morning RED

No
No
No

Yes!

[Leslie]

I noticed that the time in Aruba is one hour ahead of the eastern time zone.  I am in the same time zone as NYC and it is now 9.34 AM
42 Flights found at 10:32 (local time) on Friday, November 23rd 2007
Therefore, noon in Aruba is 11 AM in Montreal.

That's because we changed our clocks two weeks ago so now we are ahead.  When we change our clocks in April we will be on the same time zone again.  (I know you know this Leslie just wanted to explain in case anyone else didn't)

I was not certain of the time difference and was glad to see the posting on the airport website!   We might know what the new evidence is sooner than we thought. 

[MuffyBee]

Morning Monkeys.

Did any of us really think that these 3 were going to be able to keep their mouths shut?

Did any of us really think that if the evidence was really looked at by professionals w/o an agenda and an investigative case was really done behind the scenes that these 3 would not be nabbed?

Did any of us think that if Aruba was continually kept in the crosshairs and continued to be affected by tourism and the Natalee Holloway case did not go away that Aruba/Dutch police were going to have to do the right thing?

In any event the dominos are falling ...

This is the reason why we are all still here, Red.  We all knew that the pressure on Aruba had to be maintained if justice was to be served.  We knew as did the rest of the world that the three perps were "guilty as hell."  Thank you for giving us a voice and a place to gather to share our ideas.  Thank you for helping us organize in a manner that really has made a difference.  Yes, many little voices do make a loud noise, but they can only be understood if someone helps them all speak together, in one voice.  You've helped us do that and we appreciate it.

Well said AZLady.