Natalee Case Discussion #690 11/21 - 11/23/2007

[MumInOhio]

OK>>>Dutch searches last spring at Jorans and Kalpoe compounds and placed phone/wiretaps. Later TES announces big ships w/ big equipment heading for Aruba water search. Perps phones start ringing to each other when they fear TES may know a location to look for Natalee. Perps blab back and forth...OMG WE HAVE TO MOVE HER...how can we figure out a way to move her so they do not find her (and the shit they dumped with her tying them to her)etc., etc....TES search is delayed but inevitable so they continue to TALK to each other....phone/wiretaps ring in on all this chatter. BINGO---now they GOT EM' and now they probably know exactly where to search for Natalee.
ANY takers on this theory???

Been wondering about this...If as Dave says, Natalee is deeper than they have already searched, the perps are not able to move her!  They do not have the equipment available to Tim and Dave.

[wreck]

Klaas

Think this may be a new handcuff picture.....with a "maturing" plaid shirt.

http://www.omroepgelderland.nl/pagina.php?id=12&bericht=36613

YEP - THANKS!

Ugly POS that he is.  Cuffs look good on him.

Klaas doesn't that look like an Aruban police officer.

Yes, and Aruban police officer would probably be escorting him back to Aruba, IMO

What is the temperature in the Netherlands about now -- short sleeve shirts!

[Starr]

Wouldn't it be a little too cold in Holland to be dressed like that?

[klaasend]

Posted at RU:

sarge Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:37 am   

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21937936/

Holloway’s parents, Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty, are both returning to Aruba following the arrests. Texas EquuSearch, a volunteer organization that helps search for missing persons, is also going to the island with a 125-foot research vessel packed with equipment that can search the waters offshore for Natalee’s body. The searchers, NBC’s Michelle Kosinski reported, will focus on trying to find a large lobster trap that went missing the night of Natalee’s disappearance in the belief that her body may have been placed in the trap and sunk in deep waters offshore. 

[klaasend]

Posted at RU:

Black-Tulip Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:42 am   

http://www.rtl.nl/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/

Buren 'blij' met arrestatie Van der Sloot ...


Neighbors 'happy' with Van der Sloot's arrest ... he wasn't exactly liked in Arnhem. He is known as an annoying licentious youth. 

[AZLady]

Wouldn't it be a little too cold in Holland to be dressed like that?

Good point.  Local temperature in Arnhem on Friday afternoon (today) is 8 degrees Centigrade or about 46 degress Fahrenheit.

[klaasend]

Posted at RU:

Pronkjewail wrote:
From www.telegraaf.nl

The Telegraaf (a dutch newspaper) says the evidence has to do with conversations on the phone by the suspects. Suppoesdly the boys got sloppy during their tapped phonecalls and made remarks which could indicate they know more about her dissapearance.

[San]

Klaas

Think this may be a new handcuff picture.....with a "maturing" plaid shirt.

http://www.omroepgelderland.nl/pagina.php?id=12&bericht=36613

YEP - THANKS!

Ugly POS that he is.  Cuffs look good on him.

Klaas doesn't that look like an Aruban police officer.

Yes, and Aruban police officer would probably be escorting him back to Aruba, IMO

What is the weather this time of year in the Netherlands.  He has short sleeves on.

[klaasend]

Wouldn't it be a little too cold in Holland to be dressed like that?

Good point.  Local temperature in Arnhem on Friday afternoon (today) is 8 degrees Centigrade or about 46 degress Fahrenheit.

Good point

[Rob]

Klaas

Think this may be a new handcuff picture.....with a "maturing" plaid shirt.

http://www.omroepgelderland.nl/pagina.php?id=12&bericht=36613

YEP - THANKS!

Ugly POS that he is.  Cuffs look good on him.

Klaas doesn't that look like an Aruban police officer.

Yes, and Aruban police officer would probably be escorting him back to Aruba, IMO

I''m sure Joran would be wearing a coat if that occurred in Holland. It's cold there now.

[Frijole]

Hi all!  What a glorious day for us all.  Justice will happen this time.  I just know it.

Wreck - agree that is a great theory.  also agree old photo due to climate.

I gotta believe this is VERY solid evidence since both families are going to Aruba.  Trust me,  they wouldn't waste their time if they didn't think it was very solid.  Also JQK rated it a 7-8 on a scale of 10.  You know he'd never say 10 so it's gotta be solid.   

I think they found some things at the first house which led them to then go to the Kalpoes to search.  It was solid but not enough for them to feel SURE about getting a conviction... so they waited for more.  Something just happened to give them the comfort they needed (perhaps what Wreck said) and thus the arrests.

I pray for justice.  It is SO overdue.

[AZLady]

I think the news media will be waiting for Joran at the Aruban airport, so we'll see some photos of the sporter in cuffs tonight. 

[Tylergal]

This has made a great Thanksgiving gift for us but what would be even better would be to see the 3 VDS's in jumpsuits for our Christmas gift. Is MR on her way to Aruba, to bring Anita some makeup and jewelry that compliments orange?

[msmarple]

I also read and saw that some ALE went to Holland to fetch JVDS home ...

[Lala'sMom]

1. telephone calls intercepted

2. emails intercepted

3. video - or video phone confiscated

im going with # 3 -- just guessing OF COURSE

too many phones GOT LOST that night and next day

they were NEVER LOST - they were hidden

thank you freddie 

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.



Yes, thank you Freddy. 

[AZLady]

This has made a great Thanksgiving gift for us but what would be even better would be to see the 3 VDS's in jumpsuits for our Christmas gift. Is MR on her way to Aruba, to bring Anita some makeup and jewelry that compliments orange?

That would make my Christmas, Tyler.  They are all three guilty--Joran of killing Natalee and the parents of obstructing justice and multiple other charges regarding the coverup. 

[sandy leiva]

Joran liked to gamble and chances are from what we have read, he won a few and lost many.  I wonder how someone as young as he is, who has admittedly stolen money from his own parents could possibly pay a big gambling debt off if such occurred, which given his personality as we have seen, if it had not occurred, would occur soon. 

You cannot keep gamble ad nauseum without some way to make payment.  If he had carte blanche to the casinos, there must have been an arrangement as to how he could cover his gambling debts.  It makes one wonder what Guido's real role was here.  Was Joran being leaned on to repay some gambling debts?  Was Guido making arrangements to assist.

Hmmm.  I wonder if a snuff video would pay back a few gambling debts.  How many trips did he and his cohorts have to make to C&C's to find enough women to finally get to the point where this was possible to have that video. 

Was Croes in Florida the person whose information was in Deepak's pocket when he was arrested that would lead to a video that was downloaded.  Was that video downloaded before someone realized this was a real problem, that not only had Natalee passed out but she was now dead, unintended consequences to a snuff-video-gone-bad.  My understanding is that in only a few snuff videos does the victim actually die, but fakes death.  Natalee was not a willing player so they had to drug her to get her to be near death, but death ensued.

Was this video made in hopes of blackmailing her family who Joran believed was "loaded with money, living on a plantation?" But the video became bigger than blackmail. 

There was obviously some financial gain sought by these pimps in making this appointment with destiny.  No doubt these skanks have been involved in similar activity in the past --- oh, yeah, nothing ever happened in those more than 20 times, but then it went bad that night. 

Why did it go bad?  Did they use more drugs on already intoxicated little person,  whose kidneys and liver just could not go on detoxing?

Did Deepak attempt to retrieve the video?  Did Freddy have the equipment?  What equipment was he "keeping?"

no but remember papasloot went to florida after jorans firstarrest maybe to retrieve the video ? possible dont ya think

[Tylergal]

1. telephone calls intercepted

2. emails intercepted

3. video - or video phone confiscated

im going with # 3 -- just guessing OF COURSE

too many phones GOT LOST that night and next day

they were NEVER LOST - they were hidden

thank you freddie 

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.



Yes, thank you Freddy. 

Driving Miss Daisy pleaded with Freddy on the front page for a long time. Finally, finally, Freddy.

[Lala'sMom]

Robots, that makes sense.  If the Dutch are going to solve this case, they know (and we know) that Paulus must be contained and not able to influence the judges, the prosecution or any of the other players.  So, it's in the Dutch hands now. 

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
Because the fallen judge agreed, he can sing any song he wants
A poisonous siren in the halls of babylon
He will sing to keep doors open, much to the cowboys distress


Not this time Paulus...the door is going to slam right in your face.

[SunnyinTX]

Good Morning Monks.....the picture is not new...I have seen it before...it is aruba not holland.....

wiretaps??  I hope so......at least it can't be refuted and twisted

WOW...Read Gretawire this morning...it got nasty....i think the really nasty poster is a banned SM  poster....now a RU poster ..same nasty drunken mouth