Natalee Case Discussion #693 11/25 - 11/26/2007

[SunnyinTX]

I'm still curious of Joran's "minority" status. He was 17 at the time of the crime -- now 20. Does he still get his "17" status/treatment?  Can he be tried as an "adult" under Dutch law?

Wreck I don't know Aruban law but I would think he would still get his 17 status.

That would be my "guess" as well, but I would think they would have to allow him to speak to his parents immediately. They have not!

Yes but when he was first arrested he was only able to talk to Anita because he was under the age of 18 and considered a minor.  Now he is 20 and those rules don't apply.

I agree San, but am afraid he will be charged as a minor and get off scott free!

this is frightening......just the thought is frightening!!

[San]

I'm still curious of Joran's "minority" status. He was 17 at the time of the crime -- now 20. Does he still get his "17" status/treatment?  Can he be tried as an "adult" under Dutch law?

Wreck I don't know Aruban law but I would think he would still get his 17 status.

That would be my "guess" as well, but I would think they would have to allow him to speak to his parents immediately. They have not!

Yes but when he was first arrested he was only able to talk to Anita because he was under the age of 18 and considered a minor.  Now he is 20 and those rules don't apply.

I agree San, but am afraid he will be charged as a minor and get off scott free!

This is what I think they are going for.  They are forcing them to accept a lesser charge and he will probably only get 4 years.  They will say it was an accident and they didn't mean for her to die.  Without a body they cannot prove Joran beat her.  They will say the Kalpoes lied for their friend because they didn't want to see him get in trouble.  The new Kalpoe story will be we dropped Joran and Natalee off at the VDS home and we went home after that and don't know what transpired.  The only way they can rebuff this story is the Jamie Skeeters tape were Deepak admitts they all had sex with Natalee which will prove they raped her.

[SunnyinTX]

Good Morning Monkeys!  I am bringing forward the link to light a candle for Natalee and her family.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH


Hope everyone has a great day!

Justice for Natalee!

Good Morning Marlee...and thanks

[San]

more from Jorans book.  Do we know this judge??

September 1st 2005

Anthony visits again, has not heard back from the judge, only knows that Joran will be confronted with Deepak and Satish again on Saturday. Anthony leaves but returns ten minutes later and says, "Judge Williams has decided to release you on Saturday at 15:00." Joran jumps for joy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1097.0

Couln't find anything in Sunfreak's Aruban Who's Who!   San I thought it was Smid!

From Natalee's Freebirds:

JUDGE RICK SMID SHIELDS MAIN SUSPECT FROM PROSECUTION

In a hearing on June 1, 2005 Dutch judge Rick Smid ruled there was sufficient evidence to keep Joran van der Sloot in detention for an additional 30 days. Then in a baffling move, he flies back to Curacao and faxes in a reversal of the ruling he’d made only a few hours earlier, freeing van der Sloot from jail. Within three days Joran van der Sloot was on an airplane for Holland, and to make sure van der Sloot would never face prosecution, the judges gave Joran and the Kalpoe brothers immunity from ever being questioned again about this case.

ASSOCIATED PRESS
September 1, 2005

The judge in the case issued two rulings: In the first, he agreed with prosecutors' request to extend the period of van der Sloot's pretrial detention by 30 more days.

But later Thursday, the judge issued another ruling that sided with the defense — an order to immediately suspend the execution of his earlier pretrial detention order.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9163292/

[SunnyinTX]

I found it:

Take a close look at Joran's picture.  Is it just me or does it look like he has dark circles around his eyes and a wistful, oh shXt look on his face? 

J2K..the jig is up!!!

It does look like he has dark circles under his eyes...but to me the look is more like one of ho hum!

[can]

Hi Can and welcome! I don't think they can keep the suspects from seeing a lawyer, but there's a gag order issued. I can't imagine that the lawyers don't talk with one another, and maybe that's even an exception to the gag order. Anyone know?

It's my understanding that their lawyers have not been allowed to be present when the evidence is put before the judge, so he can decide to hold them further or not.

CBB and Can I did read that the Kalpoes could not even have access to their lawyer until Friday. This may have been because the Judge insisted that they have separate lawyers. Did see it posted from an article that Joran could have access to his over the weekend. Read it yesterday and this morning both, but don't know which article it was.

Buckeye Thanks for the reminder about laptop, but agree he shouldn't have been carrying anything!

Leslie Still following you on this!!!!!!

Maybe this is silly...but I wonder if they meant last Friday.  The Kalpoes were detained on Wed. and new lawyers had to be appointed.

Leslie...I really can't tell if that's Anita or not.  For a time she had curly...well kinda fuzzy hair...so maybe it will become more evident if news outlets capture pic's of her.  If they do, it would be a hoot if she were in PURPLE!!

[San]

I found it:

Take a close look at Joran's picture.  Is it just me or does it look like he has dark circles around his eyes and a wistful, oh shXt look on his face? 

J2K..the jig is up!!!

It does look like he has dark circles under his eyes...but to me the look is more like one of ho hum!

Exactly Sunny he is bored plus he just arrived on a flight from the Netherlands.  He is so friggin ugly.

[Helen Back]

11/26/07 2 pages in Awemainta on the case with Gerald Dompigs picture. Investigate everyone that was in command in the Natalee case??

Headlines

come across if owing to tapa cos for family jvds, then cabeznan have to cai have to investiga all esnan cu was at command durnate the investigacion of caso nh

si a tapa cos pa famia jvds, anto cabeznan mester cai mester investiga tur esnan cu tabata na mando durnate e investigacion di caso NH

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ex comisario gerold dompig owing to acusa huez comisario y functionario high of minesterio publico of owing to perhdica investigacion

ex comisario gerold dompig a acusa huez comisario y functionario halto di minesterio publico di a perhdica investigacion

Morning monkeys!  It's a beautiful day.

Say, I would like to know more about this.   Can anymonkey translate the translation? 

[Magnolia]

Joran looks like Eddie Munster in that picture.

[Puzzler]

Joran looks like Eddie Munster in that picture.

 

[San]

Joran looks like Eddie Munster in that picture.

 

[SunnyinTX]

I found it:

Take a close look at Joran's picture.  Is it just me or does it look like he has dark circles around his eyes and a wistful, oh shXt look on his face? 

J2K..the jig is up!!!

It does look like he has dark circles under his eyes...but to me the look is more like one of ho hum!

Exactly Sunny he is bored plus he just arrived on a flight from the Netherlands.  He is so friggin ugly.

he is ugly....and I'd be willing to bet he still thinks he is untouchable and that he will once again be 'protected' by his father's friends in aruba...but i think he is in for one big surprise!! 

[kkate]

Joran looks like Eddie Munster in that picture.

[SunnyinTX]

11/26/07 2 pages in Awemainta on the case with Gerald Dompigs picture. Investigate everyone that was in command in the Natalee case??

Headlines

come across if owing to tapa cos for family jvds, then cabeznan have to cai have to investiga all esnan cu was at command durnate the investigacion of caso nh

si a tapa cos pa famia jvds, anto cabeznan mester cai mester investiga tur esnan cu tabata na mando durnate e investigacion di caso NH

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ex comisario gerold dompig owing to acusa huez comisario y functionario high of minesterio publico of owing to perhdica investigacion

ex comisario gerold dompig a acusa huez comisario y functionario halto di minesterio publico di a perhdica investigacion

Morning monkeys!  It's a beautiful day.

Say, I would like to know more about this.   Can anymonkey translate the translation? 

hi Helen....I can't help on the translation at all.....I have a terrible time figuring out what's being said even when it's translated

[robots]

one word

EXPLOSIVE


evidence


i anit worried - the slugs are going down

BIG TIME

[SunnyinTX]

Joran looks like Eddie Munster in that picture.

LOL LOL

[MumInOhio]

Hi Can and welcome! I don't think they can keep the suspects from seeing a lawyer, but there's a gag order issued. I can't imagine that the lawyers don't talk with one another, and maybe that's even an exception to the gag order. Anyone know?

It's my understanding that their lawyers have not been allowed to be present when the evidence is put before the judge, so he can decide to hold them further or not.

CBB and Can I did read that the Kalpoes could not even have access to their lawyer until Friday. This may have been because the Judge insisted that they have separate lawyers. Did see it posted from an article that Joran could have access to his over the weekend. Read it yesterday and this morning both, but don't know which article it was.

Buckeye Thanks for the reminder about laptop, but agree he shouldn't have been carrying anything!

Leslie Still following you on this!!!!!!

Maybe this is silly...but I wonder if they meant last Friday.  The Kalpoes were detained on Wed. and new lawyers had to be appointed.

Leslie...I really can't tell if that's Anita or not.  For a time she had curly...well kinda fuzzy hair...so maybe it will become more evident if news outlets capture pic's of her.  If they do, it would be a hoot if she were in PURPLE!!

Sorry can ...didn't make myself clear, again. They were not allowed access to lawyers until last Friday. But have read an article posted here that said Joran could not see anyone except his lawyer over the weekend. This info may not even be correct, but saw the article posted here twice. Read back from the last thread this morning and would never be able to find it. Sorry!

[SunnyinTX]

one word

EXPLOSIVE


evidence


i anit worried - the slugs are going down

BIG TIME

Morning Robots.....

[klaasend]

Opinions please!
If you look at the picture, in Diario, of Joran sitting in the Curacao airport there is a person three rows behind him with their head down.  Maybe, I have become very paranoid but that head looks like Anita's to me.  It is the well coiffed head of an older woman with the colour similiar to hers.  Is it possible?

Leslie I can't find the picture.

IMO - no it's not Anita.  Joran does look like his goose is cooked though 

[robots]

one word

EXPLOSIVE


evidence


i anit worried - the slugs are going down

BIG TIME

Morning Robots.....

good morning

i think the DUTCH had someone get close to the sporter and that person kind of
let a few things hang out there to get the delicious sporter worried about something
the DELICIOUS SPORTER then got on the HORN and started spouting off

all of this was of course RECORDED

GOT YA

joran like cement walls -- well he better start liking them

joran is a KILLER