Natalee Case Discussion #693 11/25 - 11/26/2007

[robots]

joran looks sick...

physically sick

[MuffyBee]

Sneeking in a post from work:

Surfer guy on FOX said that Joran's attys would be present for his hearing today.

Oh really.  Hmm.  I thought I read the Kalpoes had their hearing without their prospective attorneys present.  So-why does Joran get to have an attorney present for his hearing?  Or do I have this all wrong?

[Tylergal]

Why is it always Anita on the airwaves? Does Paulus have a spine at all? I don't buy that attorney angle either for if that were a concern, Paulus would insist Anita keep her mouth shut.

Why the stop in Curacao?

Morning Nonesey! Anita must think Joran gets a free ticket for holding off being charged for 2 1/2 years. Somebody please wipe that cold cream out of her eye sockets, it's impairing her vision.

This charade, this mockery of justice would have been over and we would have a body and a trial by now but for Anita.  She is the PRODUCER, THE DIRECTOR, THE STAGING PERSON.  Send in the clowns!  They sent Paulus and Joran.  They are her puppets and she assumed the world would be her stage for acting out her fantasies.

[San]

joran looks sick...

physically sick

joran makes me sick

physically sick

 

[Kimmy53]

Does anybody think that it is the least bit suspicious that Paulus van der Sloot has not been detained?

Does anybody think that it is the least bit suspicious that the Trolls are not enraged that Joran van der Sloot has been implicated?

Could it be that there is a new Aruban agenda ... an agenda to convince Natalee's family ... the American media ... that Joran, Deepak and Satish were the only participants in the events of the morning of May 30, 2005 ... participants in an unintentional tragedy ... participants who panic.

Janet

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JULIA RENFRO - EDITOR - ARUBA TODAY

As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
By Carol J. Williams
June 9, 2005

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."


Gerold Dompig
48 Hours Mystery
March 22, 2006

"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.

The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.

"We’re not talking about killers here," he says.

I have thought the same thing Janet.... Perhaps this is the most sanitary of the scenarios.  If they bring the perps forward, give some measure of justice, then the other crimes(ie coverup etc) will be forgotten and all will be back as before.  IMO - this goes much deeper than the 3 killing Nat.  Now, whether we see any justice from what came after, I don't have much confidence we will.  Of course, I have been surprised with the re-arrest of J2K.

[Nut44x4]

Opinions please!
If you look at the picture, in Diario, of Joran sitting in the Curacao airport there is a person three rows behind him with their head down.  Maybe, I have become very paranoid but that head looks like Anita's to me.  It is the well coiffed head of an older woman with the colour similiar to hers.  Is it possible?

Leslie I can't find the picture.

IMO - no it's not Anita.  Joran does look like his goose is cooked though 

Morning Klaas...thanks for enlarging the pix....it looks like a man's head to me now...before I couldn't tell

That looks like my head. Of course, it's not me but I have a slender little head like that.  If I had been in the area that day, there are people who would have thought that was my head.   I have 2 sons who have heads that look exactly like that.  It's hard to tell from the top of the head who someone is. 

Not when it is Paulus in the casino photo though 

[San]

[Anna]

Janet,

Over time, I have come to think that these are the only ones involved.  I think Paulus is also but that may well be the only ones who are responsible for Natalee's disappearance.

I think Paulus and Joran or with the help also of Deepak handled the original concealment of Natalee's remains.  After that, Paulus either moved them or arranged for them to be moved so Joran could not tell where she was.

That may not be what they had in mind originally but I think Natalee was deceased too quickly for them to carry out any other evil plans they may have had.  I think she died in a manner that required them to conceal her because of some violence evident on her body probably inflicted by Joran or Deepak.

To me, those are the most guilty.  Who might have sold drugs to them or assisted in the final concealment of Natalee are peripheral at the most and if these suspects with Paulus added for his role are brought to justice, I will be satisfied that justice has been served.  We almost never know who a drug dealer or others distant from the actual crime even are.

I don't think there are many involved because like Joran, they would have talked long ago.

This is just my opinion.

Anna

[robots]

joran looks sick...

physically sick

joran makes me sick

physically sick

 

me tooooooooooooooooo

[klaasend]

Sneeking in a post from work:

Surfer guy on FOX said that Joran's attys would be present for his hearing today.

I'd be willing to bet that DOES NOT include JoeT or Rosemary A 

[Anna]

joran looks sick...

physically sick

Remember they were saying he had mono?  I wonder.  Looks like something more serious to me.

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[robots]

EXPLOSIVE


the word for the day


i dont expect 1 person arrested today



i expect at least 3 

[Kimmy53]

Janet,

Over time, I have come to think that these are the only ones involved.  I think Paulus is also but that may well be the only ones who are responsible for Natalee's disappearance.

I think Paulus and Joran or with the help also of Deepak handled the original concealment of Natalee's remains.  After that, Paulus either moved them or arranged for them to be moved so Joran could not tell where she was.

That may not be what they had in mind originally but I think Natalee was deceased too quickly for them to carry out any other evil plans they may have had.  I think she died in a manner that required them to conceal her because of some violence evident on her body probably inflicted by Joran or Deepak.

To me, those are the most guilty.  Who might have sold drugs to them or assisted in the final concealment of Natalee are peripheral at the most and if these suspects with Paulus added for his role are brought to justice, I will be satisfied that justice has been served.  We almost never know who a drug dealer or others distant from the actual crime even are.

I don't think there are many involved because like Joran, they would have talked long ago.

This is just my opinion.

Anna

Anna:  I think that the crime was a simple one too, I would like to see Paulus arrested as well.  But what burns my butt is the incompetance/coverup/favoritism that came during the so called investigation... Those who were involved in that - van der stratten, dennis jacobs, etc. should be brought to justice... I don't see it happening, but one can wish.

[Anna]

Janet,

Now I am considering the corruption as a separate crime and only dealing with Natalee at present.

I would love to see those who refused to do their jobs brought to justice but just can't wrap my mind around that happening or know if it is even possible.

I think at least four are guilty of dereliction of duty at a level that should be criminal.  But I can only deal with Natalee right now and hope for secondary justice after we have this under way.

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[Kimmy53]

joran looks sick...

physically sick

Remember they were saying he had mono?  I wonder.  Looks like something more serious to me.
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Perhaps that is his "I just pooped my pants" face.

[oldencrabby]

joran looks sick...

physically sick

Yea, red ears, dark eyes, pale.  Looks like he's ready to   

[Tylergal]

joran looks sick...

physically sick

Remember they were saying he had mono?  I wonder.  Looks like something more serious to me.

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Mono can be a pretty bad illness, which can include hepatitis, encephalitis, etc.  Many people end up with paralysis from mono, but this picture looks like he has perplexitis.

[Anna]

MuffyBee,

Apparently the Kalpoes had their attorneys present for the hearing because remember one was saying the evidence was nothing, was old, etc.  I think old evidence is all Mos released SO FAR but he is saving the new stuff to keep them in jail longer until his case is prepared and is just right.

MO

How that works is they can't confer with attorneys in private before the hearing but when actually in the presence of the judge they are allowed to have an attorney to assist them in dealing with the judge and answers for him.

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[Anna]

Someone, I think Mum, posted excerpts from Joran's book early this morning and he calls his attorney Anthony.  I am an adult and my attorney is a personal acquaintance but in court, etc. I call him Mr.  Joran also called the Headmaster Bob.

OK, so Joran is an adult and should be tried as one since he uses first names to adults like that.  Also calls his father Paulus.

Everything about him irritates me no end.

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[Tylergal]

My understanding was that the Kalpoes had their respective attorney(s) present for hearing but they were not privy to the information beforehand.  Is that right/wrong?  Just thinking that we heard that someone had witnessed one of the K2 attorneys dashing away saying there was nothing new he learned in the hearing.

Are we to assume the attorneys know K2 are turning evidence on VDS2 and their attorneys are also stating the same as Joe just to give cover to himself and K2.

I think K2 raped Natalee, just like Joran.  I think they were there when she was drugged, beaten and raped, just like Joran.  I think Joran set the whole thing up and needed K2 to go with him since Jaime was busy that night.  I think otherwise, there would have been a different outcome.

But this whole thing would have been different if Paulus and Miss Piggie had been parents instead of self-indulged selfish overgrown, overindulged hippies.