Natalee Case Discussion #693 11/25 - 11/26/2007

[truthseeker2]

Janet,

Over time, I have come to think that these are the only ones involved.  I think Paulus is also but that may well be the only ones who are responsible for Natalee's disappearance.

I think Paulus and Joran or with the help also of Deepak handled the original concealment of Natalee's remains.  After that, Paulus either moved them or arranged for them to be moved so Joran could not tell where she was.

That may not be what they had in mind originally but I think Natalee was deceased too quickly for them to carry out any other evil plans they may have had.  I think she died in a manner that required them to conceal her because of some violence evident on her body probably inflicted by Joran or Deepak.

To me, those are the most guilty.  Who might have sold drugs to them or assisted in the final concealment of Natalee are peripheral at the most and if these suspects with Paulus added for his role are brought to justice, I will be satisfied that justice has been served.  We almost never know who a drug dealer or others distant from the actual crime even are.

I don't think there are many involved because like Joran, they would have talked long ago.

This is just my opinion.

Anna

I have to agree with you, Anna.  I think the actual crime against Natalee was committed by these three guys...and maybe, just maybe....Paulus.  After that it was cover up time Aruban style.  This cover up wasn't to protect Paulus as much as it was to protect money in the form of tourism.  Tourism is the cover for everything in Aruba.  Hopefully the Dutch will set things straight and do the right thing.

[Tylergal]

Let's get to 50 before the court proceedings are known so that we don't all jump and get lost in the shuffle.

Sorry to be OT, Klaas, but you need to go to the grocery store now while things are slow.  I know it only takes you a short time but . . . . . . .

Who was the judge on Fox that said the Dutch had a lot, otherwise, the judge in the NL would not have made the decision he did to detain and extradite Joran.

[Katysmom]

Janet,

Over time, I have come to think that these are the only ones involved.  I think Paulus is also but that may well be the only ones who are responsible for Natalee's disappearance.

I think Paulus and Joran or with the help also of Deepak handled the original concealment of Natalee's remains.  After that, Paulus either moved them or arranged for them to be moved so Joran could not tell where she was.

That may not be what they had in mind originally but I think Natalee was deceased too quickly for them to carry out any other evil plans they may have had.  I think she died in a manner that required them to conceal her because of some violence evident on her body probably inflicted by Joran or Deepak.

To me, those are the most guilty.  Who might have sold drugs to them or assisted in the final concealment of Natalee are peripheral at the most and if these suspects with Paulus added for his role are brought to justice, I will be satisfied that justice has been served.  We almost never know who a drug dealer or others distant from the actual crime even are.

I don't think there are many involved because like Joran, they would have talked long ago.

This is just my opinion.

Anna

I have to agree with you, Anna.  I think the actual crime against Natalee was committed by these three guys...and maybe, just maybe....Paulus.  After that it was cover up time Aruban style.  This cover up wasn't to protect Paulus as much as it was to protect money in the form of tourism.  Tourism is the cover for everything in Aruba.  Hopefully the Dutch will set things straight and do the right thing.

I agree.  Paulus was/is a wanna be.  They wouldn't initiate this coverup to protect him; it was to protect themselves

[San]

Let's get to 50 before the court proceedings are known so that we don't all jump and get lost in the shuffle.

Sorry to be OT, Klaas, but you need to go to the grocery store now while things are slow.  I know it only takes you a short time but . . . . . . .

Who was the judge on Fox that said the Dutch had a lot, otherwise, the judge in the NL would not have made the decision he did to detain and extradite Joran.

Tyler I saw that judge but I didn't catch his name because I caught the end of what he said.

[Port Valerie]

Let's get to 50 before the court proceedings are known so that we don't all jump and get lost in the shuffle.

Sorry to be OT, Klaas, but you need to go to the grocery store now while things are slow.  I know it only takes you a short time but . . . . . . .

Who was the judge on Fox that said the Dutch had a lot, otherwise, the judge in the NL would not have made the decision he did to detain and extradite Joran.

Tyler I saw that judge but I didn't catch his name because I caught the end of what he said.

Me too. Missed his name. Said the whole case had been calming down and so the Dutch would not stir this up again unless they really had something. Natalee's aunt Linda Ellison was on Fox, via phone, just before the judge. Said the family is waiting with bated breath to see what the new evidence is.

[lexie]

Let's get to 50 before the court proceedings are known so that we don't all jump and get lost in the shuffle.

Sorry to be OT, Klaas, but you need to go to the grocery store now while things are slow.  I know it only takes you a short time but . . . . . . .

Who was the judge on Fox that said the Dutch had a lot, otherwise, the judge in the NL would not have made the decision he did to detain and extradite Joran.

Tyler I saw that judge but I didn't catch his name because I caught the end of what he said.

Judge Ferrera... Host/star of "Judge Alex"

[Port Valerie]

In the interest of getting to page 50 -- Maybe AZ Lady should post her students' essays here and we can grade them. What is the topic?

[San]

Let's get to 50 before the court proceedings are known so that we don't all jump and get lost in the shuffle.

Sorry to be OT, Klaas, but you need to go to the grocery store now while things are slow.  I know it only takes you a short time but . . . . . . .

Who was the judge on Fox that said the Dutch had a lot, otherwise, the judge in the NL would not have made the decision he did to detain and extradite Joran.

Tyler I saw that judge but I didn't catch his name because I caught the end of what he said.

Judge Ferrera... Host/star of "Judge Alex"

I thought I saw him before.  Thanks.

[Kimmy53]

In the interest of getting to page 50 -- Maybe AZ Lady should post her students' essays here and we can grade them. What is the topic?

 

[San]

In the interest of getting to page 50 -- Maybe AZ Lady should post her students' essays here and we can grade them. What is the topic?

I will leave the grading to you and Tyler.  You don't want me grading papers.

[Lala'sMom]

Doing my part to move this thread along...let's revisit Shango...

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:02 pm
Do not listen to cowgirls who cast shadows on the walls of doubt….
There will be a sacrifice.
The cowboys will be happy.
The house of Babylon won’t fall and crush the teepees
There will be a sacrifice
Soon many will see smoke signals
Cowboys will go back to fort
But first we need the sacrifice

They arrested the sacrifices...two of them had better start talking and fast!

[Anna]

Someone on Fox, maybe the one some call the Surfer Dude, said Joran was at KIA but the Kalpoes were being kept at another location. 

We have heard everything under the sun on that.  So now we are back to being kept at separate locations!

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[oldencrabby]

I find it interesting that Joran is being held at "the far end of the island" KIA, the "big house,"    while the 2K are held in seperate local stations. No little local station for Joran.
Aw gosh, golly gee. No tears from me!   

[Lala'sMom]

Are we to page 50 yet?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice

[San]

Someone on Fox, maybe the one some call the Surfer Dude, said Joran was at KIA but the Kalpoes were being kept at another location. 

We have heard everything under the sun on that.  So now we are back to being kept at separate locations!

.

They are probably all at home sleeping in their beds.

[klaasend]

Someone on Fox, maybe the one some call the Surfer Dude, said Joran was at KIA but the Kalpoes were being kept at another location. 

We have heard everything under the sun on that.  So now we are back to being kept at separate locations!

.

They have always been in separate locations.  The report they were in the same location was erroneous.

Unless you consider that they are all on the island of Aruba being the same location, lol 

[Sue]

That is what i think about Jorans extradition, they had to have something to bring him from
Holland.. they could have just as easily questioned him there in Holland then to pay to bring him to Aruba
Lets hope this is it and they nail him

[MuffyBee]

Someone on Fox, maybe the one some call the Surfer Dude, said Joran was at KIA but the Kalpoes were being kept at another location. 

We have heard everything under the sun on that.  So now we are back to being kept at separate locations!

.

Maybe it's a good thing there isn't much information, such as which is at what location.  It would mean not much is getting out.

[Anna]

For all the new posters and those who have been away for a while

[Lala'sMom]

Is Shango advocating a burning at the stake?  Can I bring the marshmallows?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
Meetings with his lordship will reveal several mysteries
the sacrifice also knows the fires have been lit

What page are we on now?