Lively Case Discussion #513 8/17 - 8/18/2006

[IBE]

I am still reading this thread on page 27, but I see Shango is starting to be discussed....

If we get into Shango's code or script again don't forget to inform Anna and Dutchlady and let me know too... I came her from the Travel site right after she was announced missing, the RWV, then to Code Talkers.

Saw the bus last night and could even find BENDEX!

So many of us are still here and that is good for Natalee and her familiers! This will be solved. IMO it will not be much longer... gut feeling only.

We all (me mostly lurking) plus many of you on the thread now were in Code Talkers.

IMO
Not doubt Shango was real
Very intelligent
Had a literature, history background plus myths esp. of the that area
Knew about the porn filming and told us, long before others and he/she ref. it
I think filming porn connected was pooh poohed at the time
IMO Shango is a he; highly educated or self taught
Reads alot
Extremely well read; perhaps older
Knows the hist. and past/current at the time, the workings of the ALE on the Island
Was giving us hints we needed to heed and sometimes didn't
IMO no doubt this was being monitored by the FBI et al or it was released with their blessing??
Monitored on SM on the Internet, also, as a 'fishing" to see who and what the responses would be???
Knew Deepak and others he ran with were perhaps monitoring this on SM
We tried to break the Shano Code and did
I have stated in the past and still believe he/she knew the script well as this was coming down

Was it in Shango that it was said "I have danced with the Red Cowboy?"
So could be a woman writer unless in folk dances/ie groups?

Do we still have the Code Thread that could be posted again or was it lost in the first crash.

Back to reading and trying to catch up.

OT didn't get much sleep last night after being here

Glad to see the Monkeys pulling together.

Too bad in the JonBenet case we didn't have SM.

IMO it is important to remember that the man, Mr. Karr, in Thailand is a loner; has time for in depth Internet research and was thinking of a book

[klaasend]

Mrs. Red and/or Klaas, I have a question.

Not sure how to get this across, but am looking for a little hope to hang my hat on, sotaspeak.

Can you, or will you tell me if there is hope behind the release of the statements? In other words, do we need to really tear them apart because it could make a difference, or are we going to be utterly frustrated because it will become clear just exactly what they are getting away with.

I hope this is understandable, but I will probably look at it tomorrow and not understand it myself.

I can't answer that question for you but hopefully Red can.  Unfortunately, Red is having PC problems tonight and he rebooted a little while ago and I haven's seen him online again.

Mrs. Red - maybe you could yell at him   and ask him what Memphis just asked.

[mrs. red]

Mrs. Red and/or Klaas, I have a question.

Not sure how to get this across, but am looking for a little hope to hang my hat on, sotaspeak.

Can you, or will you tell me if there is hope behind the release of the statements? In other words, do we need to really tear them apart because it could make a difference, or are we going to be utterly frustrated because it will become clear just exactly what they are getting away with.

I hope this is understandable, but I will probably look at it tomorrow and not understand it myself.

let me say that they are released with the intention that the more ppl know the more powerful the boycott becomes... and with that... that maybe someone in arbua will read and come forward... in short ... we should do all we can to keep this posting and thoughts up... to bring resolution for Natalee... now it's about JUSTICE!

[sb]

Right now with all the tension in here, it might be best to let the Shango ID matter lie quietly for a while. That thing created a flap that this board has never gotten over.

I am really just sitting back and shaking my head at all the unraveling of nerves we have had the last few days. What in the WORLD is going on, guys?

We are getting close to understanding what happened that night... or at least CLOSER... and we can't afford to let infighting derail things.

I am hoping we can all pull together out of mutual love and respect for None and lay aside all the foolishness.

[anidac]

At one point Shango even accused Simian of being an impostor. It was as if there were TWO Simians posting, one telling the truth, the other feeding disinformation... and Shango knew it.

I think this is all an internal conflict between Aruban LE.

I alo am doubting highly, the ID of Shango and Simian that we got from a former poster. anidac, if you're in here, I know you were party to some of that... can you add anything to this? You seemed to have had some inside Shango and Simian info.  

We REALLY need some kind of a move forward today, what with all the bad news for our Monkeys. Something that represents some kind of progress, no mattre how small.

Plus, I am fighting my DSL again...  

SB - I do not know who your are referring to as the former poster.  If it is me then opps!  I am not a former poster as far as I know.  To answer you question (sort of)  Yes, I did most of the research in tracking them down in the past.  I say, doubt away and get out there and find them folks.  I have learned that it would matter if you had a persons drivers license and birth certificate to post there some people that just want to argue that Red is Blue and Jane is Jack.  I no longer share the Shango/Simen research.  I have never asked any one to believe any thing.  Hopefully, some of the others in the cage can ID them for themselves if they think it is really important to do so.  Sorry SB nothing personal but I don't like being slapped around on this topic and charish my time in the cage too much to get up set with people I care about over something like Shango which really doesn't matter in the end.

[anidac]

Still here and lurking but not touching the Shango stuff with a 10" pole.  Good luck with that.  LOL

I understand perfectly.  

It is a good change of topic for the time being though.  All my thoughts are still with None tonght.

And I agree totally, too.

SB - Thank you for being so understanding.  I mean that....

[mrs. red]

Mrs. Red and/or Klaas, I have a question.

Not sure how to get this across, but am looking for a little hope to hang my hat on, sotaspeak.

Can you, or will you tell me if there is hope behind the release of the statements? In other words, do we need to really tear them apart because it could make a difference, or are we going to be utterly frustrated because it will become clear just exactly what they are getting away with.

I hope this is understandable, but I will probably look at it tomorrow and not understand it myself.

I can't answer that question for you but hopefully Red can.  Unfortunately, Red is having PC problems tonight and he rebooted a little while ago and I haven's seen him online again.

Mrs. Red - maybe you could yell at him   and ask him what Memphis just asked.

His answer would be better... but he is doing the shango tango with his eye-lids... snoring like a mad man here beside me on the couch.... I will tell him to post it tomorrow.... I know that we are seeing these for a reason...

[klaasend]

IMO - Shango and Simian were real people that were attempting to tell us what was going on.  

The problem is, it's too late now to act upon what they told us.  There was nothing we could have done then.  They were "secretly" trying to tell us but even if they were believed 100% back when they were posting I don't think it would have changed anything.  

Looking back on what they posted, most of it seems very real now doesn't it?

[klaasend]

Mrs. Red -     Next time he says to me he's having PC problems I'll tell him he's snoring too loud!  

[mrs. red]

Right now with all the tension in here, it might be best to let the Shango ID matter lie quietly for a while. That thing created a flap that this board has never gotten over.

I am really just sitting back and shaking my head at all the unraveling of nerves we have had the last few days. What in the WORLD is going on, guys?

We are getting close to understanding what happened that night... or at least CLOSER... and we can't afford to let infighting derail things.

I am hoping we can all pull together out of mutual love and respect for None and lay aside all the foolishness.

Actually SB... I started the Shango thing today... I  was curious about it... and there is no reason why there should be a flap about Shango... I mean some ppl believe it  and others don't... but as long as we discuss it respectfully why not discuss it?  

I think the high feelings are due to frustration... but with all the statements out there  - there is a lot to discuss....

and I have begged everyone to get back in the cage and back to business ...  and I have to say that we all need to remember that NOT ONE person here would EVER intentionally hurt another.... and we need to remember that first and foremost...

and of course None is in all of our prayers.... we all have the deepest sorrow for her... and her family...

[Lala'sMom]

So how many times did Paulus actually change his own story to fit with Joran's?   I still want to read Freddy's statement.

[sb]

anidac, I was referring to a male poster who is no longer with us.

I think you have made very valuable contributions. I am not fully aware of what role you played in the research. I hope you didn't take what I said as something against you, I absolutely didn't mean it that way. I knew though, that whatever the info was, it led to controversy. That's why I understand why you would be hesitant to bring any of that up again.

I have just been posting that now is the time we need to AVOID controversy betewn Monkeys... I hope we'll all accomplish that!

[Sleuth]

Nice work on finding the Fabienne Maessen stuff, Klaasend..

[klaasend]

Nice work on finding the Fabienne Maessen stuff, Klaasend..

Thanks Sleuth  

[mrs. red]

Mrs. Red -     Next time he says to me he's having PC problems I'll tell him he's snoring too loud!  

honey hush... if he is sleeping it's due to pc problems.... other wise he would be up there pounding away...

and Andiac...I understand your frustration... but I do recall that you offered to share the info... however, I respect your choice not to share....

[sb]

Ummm... at the risk of sounding dumb... who is Fabienne Meissen?

Maybe this is a OT subject a male Monkey won't want to touch LOL...  

[mrs. red]

Mrs. Red -     Next time he says to me he's having PC problems I'll tell him he's snoring too loud!  

honey hush... if he is sleeping it's due to pc problems.... other wise he would be up there pounding away...

and Andiac...I understand your frustration... but I do recall that you offered to share the info... however, I respect your choice not to share....

and I tend to agree with SB... it has more to do with the male former poster.....

[mrs. red]

Ummm... at the risk of sounding dumb... who is Fabienne Meissen?

Maybe this is a OT subject a male Monkey won't want to touch LOL...  

the girl with jvds... the new pictures... that girl.. Klaasend found them!!

[Lala'sMom]

From Joran's June 9 statement:
I told Deepak to drive to the Lighthouse because Natalee had said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I had told Natalee that there were no sharks but she insisted that she had seen sharks already. At no point had Natalee said to me that she wanted to go to the North Coast. With Deepak's car one cannot drive to the North Coast because his car is too low. [/b]

That little statement bothers me for some reason. What is the reference to the North Coast?  Was Joran accused of being seen there?  Is this the place where the most recent witness claims to have seen Joran with Natalee?

[memphis]

Klaas and Mrs Red, you understood!

Thank you, and, yes, Mrs Red, it is hope that justice will prevail.