Natalee Case Discussion #694 11/26/2007

[NYC_lover]

My translation of the Kock interview: 

My clients are innocent
No new evidence (although the judge thought otherwise)
blah blah blah

I'm waiting for what's said after Joran's meeting with the judge today.

Oh, I were mean this....lol...a summary did u want....probably not good understand, or I already sleeping...lol..
Yeah, I think we all waiting..... I think it becomes still 8 days detention.
What are u all thinking?

No NYC - you did fine.  It's just really hard to translate Pap 

Well, I understand. Yes Papia is hard to translate, because the languages has around 5 languages in it. French, Portugese, Spanish, Dutch, and English.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Suspense, suspense.....inquiring minds want to know...

  147 Guests, 47 Users
Users active in past 15 minutes:
2NJSons_Mom, Port Valerie, robots, Dihannah1, San, Angiex911dsptchr, thirdstrike, islanders, igsigs, klaasend, Scandi, Starr, Katysmom, Frank, Stella, NYC_lover, greeneyedlady, Magnolia, Altruist, blah, Sue, jlunderdog, Ree, Tamikosmom, Puzzler, Slogger, oldencrabby, Maggie, Atlmetroguy, JuJu, nimrod, SunnyinTX, Blonde, Patriot, wreck, ospainter, cp405, Desert Rat, Chata, Tylergal, eep, Kimmy53, Rooscrew, lexie, Marlee, MumInOhio, Kkial
 
Most Online Today: 206. Most Online Ever: 206 (Today at 02:41:57 PM) 

[SunnyinTX]

My translation of the Kock interview: 

My clients are innocent
No new evidence (although the judge thought otherwise)
blah blah blah

I'm waiting for what's said after Joran's meeting with the judge today.

Oh, I were mean this....lol...a summary did u want....probably not good understand, or I already sleeping...lol..
Yeah, I think we all waiting..... I think it becomes still 8 days detention.
What are u all thinking?

I think the same...8 more days for loverboy

[Tamikosmom]

I will concede that Holland and Aruba are truly seeking justice for Natalee Holloway if ... Paulus van der Sloot and the sons of the elite are arrested for their participation in the events of that fateful morning when an 18 year old American citizen went missing.

Janet

++++++++++++++++++++

Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

DANIELS: It definitely smells that way. You know, if you take the prosecution‘s statement at its face, we are talking on a whole new level, the charges here. We are talking about drugs. We are talking about rape and we are talking about rape of many different people. There are four guys now in custody, four best friends. What does that tell you?

MANSUR: Well, what it tells me is that, really, these four guys are friends. They belong to the same group, these party boys that go out and prey on young, unsuspected girls or other kinds of girls also that are out to have a good time, not suspecting what they‘re in for with these predators around.

And they are—they not only appear in photographs together, but I understand that Freddy lives very near to the Joran house. So, there is a bond between them. There is a group that they call themselves the pimps, in which all of these participate.

[SunnyinTX]

im going to get a match and go light a cigar up right now

thats how good i think the news will be ..soon enough

i dont even smoke cigars, but it seems like a good idea 

I agree!!  I think that they may not be messing around this time...

I'm putting my money on all THREE of the suspects being held to the fire this go 'round.  I think Joran's "Get Out of Jail Free" card has finally hit it's expiration date.  Even his Mr. Magoo looking Papa ain't going to be able to help him this time!!

Of course, that's only my 3 cents!! 

Hi TS...good to see you....

[islanders]

So far it sounds like the K2 aren't talking. If their lawyer said the new evidence isn't enough to issue them a parking ticket.

Do you think they have seen everything?

[Nut44x4]

My translation of the Kock interview: 

My clients are innocent
No new evidence (although the judge thought otherwise)
blah blah blah

I'm waiting for what's said after Joran's meeting with the judge today.

BINGO...that is what I got from the 24ora too...POPPYCOCK!

[Kimmy53]

Jossy is saying it is phone calls from what the defense lawyers are saying.

He said the Chief Prosecutor has said they have new evidence.

Shep said he is wondering why they are saying she is dead now.

Jossy doesn't think they are doing all this just to close the case.

That also struck me as odd...considering all the time that has passed.  Could some of these taped phone conversations include any references to her being in fact deceased?  Why all of a sudden?  Gosh, I'm hoping I'm right...

Very possible...remember Van der Strattens comment - "because I have seen the evidence"  They are looking at new and old evidence.  Maybe it all just ties it together...\

I think the admission that she is dead is huge.

[SunnyinTX]

So far it sounds like the K2 aren't talking. If their lawyer said the new evidence isn't enough to issue them a parking ticket.

Do you think they have seen everything?

I don't think so.....I don't think MOS has to give them everything...not at this point...just what he is presenting to the judge to ensure further detention

[thirdstrike]

Hi TS...good to see you....

It's good to see you too Sunny!!  I've missed all of you terribly...

Hopefully, this happy reunion will be promptly followed by long overdue justice in this case!!  It's damn time that family gets some...that's for sure!!

[NYC_lover]

RTL nieuws (news) with a short video.

http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/actueel/rtlnieuws/home/)/system/video/html/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/miMedia/2007/week48/ma_1930_vandersloot.avi_plain.xml

[islanders]

So far it sounds like the K2 aren't talking. If their lawyer said the new evidence isn't enough to issue them a parking ticket.

Do you think they have seen everything?

I don't think so.....I don't think MOS has to give them everything...not at this point...just what he is presenting to the judge to ensure further detention

that makes sense, wait till Joran gets there so he doesn't learn anything before being questioned.

[Scandi]

Jossy is saying it is phone calls from what the defense lawyers are saying.

He said the Chief Prosecutor has said they have new evidence.

Shep said he is wondering why they are saying she is dead now.

Jossy doesn't think they are doing all this just to close the case.

That also struck me as odd...considering all the time that has passed.  Could some of these taped phone conversations include any references to her being in fact deceased?  Why all of a sudden?  Gosh, I'm hoping I'm right...

Hi Thirdstrike,  I don't have a quote handy, but in the original link that talked about the charge being voluntary manslaughter, it also mentioned having done something like gross bodily harm to her body which caused her death.  That makes me believe this new evidence is information that notes what this is.  IMHO

[thirdstrike]

Jossy is saying it is phone calls from what the defense lawyers are saying.

He said the Chief Prosecutor has said they have new evidence.

Shep said he is wondering why they are saying she is dead now.

Jossy doesn't think they are doing all this just to close the case.

That also struck me as odd...considering all the time that has passed.  Could some of these taped phone conversations include any references to her being in fact deceased?  Why all of a sudden?  Gosh, I'm hoping I'm right...

Very possible...remember Van der Strattens comment - "because I have seen the evidence"  They are looking at new and old evidence.  Maybe it all just ties it together...\

I think the admission that she is dead is huge.

Again, taking a step away from this case gave whomever is now actively investigating it a new, fresh look at what evidence they have, and what new evidence was gathered.  I mean...if you really think about it...would they make these re-arrests based on minimal, irellevant information?  I know they've proven to be umb.  But, that dumb?  I pray not...

[SunnyinTX]

Hi TS...good to see you....

It's good to see you too Sunny!!  I've missed all of you terribly...

Hopefully, this happy reunion will be promptly followed by long overdue justice in this case!!  It's damn time that family gets some...that's for sure!!

 TS..you have been sorely missed....it is long overdue....and I rally hope ths is it...justice for Natalee and her family.....and punishment for the j2k and anyone else involved in this crime and cover up

[thirdstrike]

Hi Thirdstrike,  I don't have a quote handy, but in the original link that talked about the charge being voluntary manslaughter, it also mentioned having done something like gross bodily harm to her body which caused her death.  That makes me believe this new evidence is information that notes what this is.  IMHO

Hello Scandi!!  Nice to meet you...

I think this is a very good point!!  If what they now have is nothing, why the specific description regarding what they believed happened to Natalee?  There's got to be some information guiding them...

I've always thought that Natalee's death was unintentional.  Sure, Joran and the brother's Kalpoe were responsible.  But, I don't take them as cold blooded killers.  IMO, they drugged and raped her, and the excessive drugging contributed to her death.  I think these "new" charges reflects that theory.

Thoughts?

[Nut44x4]

Perhaps the 4th arrest will come this afternoon after Joran's turn w/ the Judge.

[SunnyinTX]

RTL nieuws (news) with a short video.

http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/actueel/rtlnieuws/home/)/system/video/html/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/miMedia/2007/week48/ma_1930_vandersloot.avi_plain.xml

thanks NYC....did y'all notice the looks on the people faces....first the lady when he went to sit down and then those at the counter...it was obvious to me....all of them knew who he was

[Sue]

After watching that video that Klaas posted , if you listen to that guy in video
He said had they had this information before they would have never been released
so you have to really ask yourself,, WHAT DO THEY HAVE????

[Magnolia]

The way I understand it .... Mos has to dole out the evidence
a little at a time because he has to present something new to the
judge each time he asks for further detention.