Natalee Case Discussion #694 11/26/2007

[robots]

On the Aruban side, there are still police officers involved who were originally involved because they know what was done and said.

Mos: Kalpoes detained until Thursday. Then they will go for another 8 days.

Joran's second 8 days will expire at the end of next week. Will ask for another 60 days.

If by the 31st December things are not clear, he has told people he wants this case will be dismissed. Leaves himself a small opening -- the 31st unless new evidence appears such as discovery of a body, that would change things.

This part scares me

It doesn't bother me that much.  Afterall, the case has gone on over two years now and we were always told at the 2 year mark the case would be closed.  So this is more than 6 months after when it would have normally been closed.  I think they have the evidence to bring it to trial. 

Han's doesn't want to tip anyone off to what that evidence is.

doesnt bother me at all either

why would he bother going thru all this

nawwwwwwwwwwwwwww...buckle your belts

CONFESSION - coming soon

[lnichols]

Hello Everyone..... I have been catching up and don't have to much time this evening... but wanted to say how thrilled I am at Joran staying behind bars.... and am praying that this is the time... This time they get it done...
and all of the information that you guys put out here is awesome... I appreciate it!

Inichols, don't leave until I give you you're avatar! Hang on a sec!

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[San]

Les Levine said he has no idea what this new evidence is.  He works for Joe T. and he is saying it is old information.

He doesn't know of any documents that have been submitted to Joran's lawyer.

He it totally and completely confident that there was no communication between Joran and the Kalpoes.

He said Joran is doing well in custody and he is confident.

LES IS A MORON 

[mishy]

Hi guys,

JMO, I wasn't very encouraged by what Mos said tonight. In fact, I'm less optimistic than I was before. I am not th rilled with his revelation about trial or dismissal by 12/31...

MOO 

[Port Valerie]

Someone on Joran's team named Les: No idea what the evidence is. Confused as most people. Knows for sure that Joran has had no contact with the Kalpoe brothers since the beginning of past. Doesn't know if documents have been delivered to JVDS.

Greta: Are you sure there has been no contact.

Les: Absolutely confident.

Greta: How's he doing?

Les: He;s doing well. He's confident he will be released. This is the 13th or 14th arrest in this case. He and his family are confident.

[Dayhiker]

 he miaght be a good attomrey for other crap... but IMO he is a peckerhead.... AND how the hell does he keep sayiong he is JVDS attorney????????????  He is NOT.. not for this at least??

That Levine guy is the the life of the party isn't he? Kinda reinforces the mafioso image.

[Dihannah1]

I THINK HANS IS FOS

San, don't hold back, hon, you're among friends. Go ahead, express yourself! 

I'm confused,  Why do you he's FOS, San?  I know most reactions have been pretty positive.. Just curious...

[klaasend]

Les Levine said he has no idea what this new evidence is.  He works for Joe T. and he is saying it is old information.

He doesn't know of any documents that have been submitted to Joran's lawyer.

He it totally and completely confident that there was no communication between Joran and the Kalpoes.

He said Joran is doing well in custody and he is confident.

LESS IS A MORON 

Yep 

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hello, Everyone.  Although I haven't posted on these forums, I have sporadically followed this case.  Anita has made a true statement, albeit not her intention; it is ridiculous for this to be happening after over two years--it should have happened over two years ago.  I think it was the new prosecutor down there who said that this case is not going to go unsolved on his watch.  I think, too, that the Kalpoes are being positioned to be blamed for what happened to Natalee; I don't think, however, that the Van der Sloots will get away with that.  As for Joe Tacopina, he's just nervous; it shows in every word he's said since he found out his "client" was being rearrested; he's out of the loop, and it shows.  Oh, and one more thing about Anita:  didn't she say that her son was not being arrested, just being brought back for a reinactment?  Do you think she believes he's sitting in jail just to reinact his last tenure there?  Oh, well, I guess she will be surprised at the new ending.  Poor thing; hopefully, she will have better luck with her other son.

Welcome Amanda!

 Ditto.. at first I thought you were my daughter Amanda     She said she might think about joining SM     

[Port Valerie]

Fix my typing -- since the beginning of the case.

Also, Les whoever he is seems to be on the same team with Joe T. Talks like a New Jersey private eye. Kind of thuggy.

[Helen Back]

 he miaght be a good attomrey for other crap... but IMO he is a peckerhead.... AND how the hell does he keep sayiong he is JVDS attorney????????????  He is NOT.. not for this at least??

That Levine guy is the the life of the party isn't he? Kinda reinforces the mafioso image.

Wasn't he on "The Sopranos"?

[San]

I THINK HANS IS FOS

San, don't hold back, hon, you're among friends. Go ahead, express yourself! 

I'm confused,  Why do you he's FOS, San?  I know most reactions have been pretty positive.. Just curious...

Because I don't like him and that's good enough for me 

[Blue Moon]

I Like that guy Mos.  He is very concise and to the point with Greta.  There is no way to trick him and he is very credible.

Mos is a breath of fresh air. He has said more in one interview than Janssen said in two years.

Did you catch the "what if" example he gave "if say evidence like---day----a video showing Natalee killed" would be an example of evidence without a body.  Now he isn't expecting that to happen, it was just an example.  Could it be possible a video exists and they have it?

[Yellow Ribbon]

So Monkeys, now that you've heard the prosecutor is this case live or is it Memorex?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I know I am going to get hell for this - but I spent some time looking at Taco's case load... and as I suspected - He's a very good attorney. A very very good attorney. He wins more than his share of cases and I should know. I come from a family of attorneys. At his young age he is draws the mega cases as I posted last night. His skills are actually very good and for his age he knows more than most and I understand why he is drawing these clients.

Taco is very good, but he has no power on Aruba, and he can do nothing but advise.

sorry, but it's the truth. The guy is good.

Now who the heck is paying this very very very good attorney? Should that not be public? IMO it should.

Screaming and yelling makes him look very childish, but in a court room I suspect his demeanor is very different. A US Judge will not tolerate the crap he pulls on TV in a court room.

 he miaght be a good attomrey for other crap... but IMO he is a peckerhead.... AND how the hell does he keep sayiong he is JVDS attorney????????????  He is NOT.. not for this at least??

Right Ang - only in the US

  TY  Rob.

[Dihannah1]

I THINK HANS IS FOS

San, don't hold back, hon, you're among friends. Go ahead, express yourself! 

I'm confused,  Why do you he's FOS, San?  I know most reactions have been pretty positive.. Just curious...

Because I don't like him and that's good enough for me 

Alrighty then!   I was wondering if something specific...   

[amanda]

Thanks for the welcomes, Everyone.  

I agree that Anita hasn't been the most informed of parents.  I mean, really, allowing a minor to live separately from the family and to be so independent as to be able to drink and gamble at will are not the leading qualities of parenting.  I think, though, that her husband leaves her in the shade in the poor parenting department.  It's my opinion that he has been pivotal in this cover-up; he said himself, to Natalee's father, no less, that he would do anything for his son--and I believe he has.  I hope, if this is the case, that he will be made to answer for it.  

As for Joe Tacopina, however good an attorney his record may show him to have been, it is my opinion that he is nervous about this latest turn of events.  I saw an interview with him when this happened and he admitted he hadn't had any contact with the Van der Sloots; he seemed to be floundering without a clue as to what was going on.  Who knows who's paying him; perhaps he's being paid in publicity.

[JustMeT]

So Monkeys, now that you've heard the prosecutor is this case live or is it Memorex?

Some where in the middle?

[BlueKYGirl]

Did you catch the "what if" example he gave "if say evidence like---day----a video showing Natalee killed" would be an example of evidence without a body.  Now he isn't expecting that to happen, it was just an example.  Could it be possible a video exists and they have it?

I think it's a good possibility there is a video, because the boys were known to record their exploits with other girls. If there is one, I hope the prosecution has it.

[Tamikosmom]

Pearl@BFN

Nancy Grace show coming on with the latest from Aruba ........

Aunt, Linda Allison spoke by phone.
Jossy Mansur on phone.
Susan Candiotti reported live.

Per defense lawyers, the Kalpoe clients are refusing to answer questions.  Said questions were not new and wouldn't answer unless new questions.

Per defense lawyers for Kalpoes, they are being kept in deplorable conditions for interrogations, reporter said they cited as intolerable, cockroaches, and rats.

She said cell phone records of where they were, and times are part of latest, video deposition takings that were not properly documented, things overlooked, mistakes made.

Joran next appearance to be 12/7/07
Kalpoes Thursday, 11/29

Prosecutors will have to ask for extensions if further questioning is needed.

Thank you *******.

I speculate that Aruba/Holland will concede an incompetent/botched investigation ... not corrupt ... not a coverup. The world will be assured that those involved in this incompetent/botched investigation no longer hold positions within the Aruban Law Enforcement and ... steps have been taken to assure this type of injustice will never be allowed to occur again.

In other words ... "incompetent/botched" implies that those involved in the Aruban coverup ... the Aruban investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will not be held legally accountable.

Think about ... the key ALE investigators and the prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway case ... where are they today?

The Island of Aruba did not anticipate the strength and determination of a mother by the name of Beth Holloway Twitty. By the time that Aruba realized that this amazing woman was not about to be silenced until her quest for answers regarding her precious daughter were answered … it was too late to turn back. It was no longer just about protecting Paulus and Joran in regards to their role in the events that encompass that fateful morning … it was now about protecting those at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were involved in the coverup … it was now about protecting the sons of the elite … it was now about protecting the judiciary … it was now about the implications of exposing Aruba’s dirty little secrets in regards to organized crime … drugs … gambling … prostitution … pornography … money laundering.

Janet