Natalee Case Discussion #696 11/27 - 11/29/2007

[BUCKSHOT]

    “With attention to the lying declarations that the son of Paulus, Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (hereafter Joran) gave about his last contact on the 30th of May 2005 with the disappeared Natalee Holloway, the suspicion is not unreasonable that he made himself guilty of a conduct that can be qualified as murder, manslaughter, or kidnapping that resulted in death.
    The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a tapped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The tapped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”


FRANK AND OTHERS - WONDER WHAT THEY WILL DO WITH REAGARD TO AN EARLIER RULING BY ARUBAN COURT THAT DETERMINED PAULUS WAS NO LONGER A SUSPECT. WILL THIS DECISION BE REVERSED OR DOES NEW CHARGE HAVE TO BE BROUGHT AGAINST HIM?

THOUGHTS MONKEYS.....................

[memphis]

Evidence, Penalty, Coverup...

EXCELLENT post!!!

[BUCKSHOT]

KLAASEND - THAT MAKES SENSE. OR FLY TO ARUBA AND JOIN THEM.

[Katysmom]

I was wondering why the judge divided the lawyers up for 2K and then send multiple copies to Jorans lawyers outside of Aruba? Unless someone did something they were sworn not to do.

What makes you think JoeT actually has copies of anything?

Hmm good point, its much better to bluf your way back into the game.

JoeT is FOS.  He hasn't seen anything, he's reporting what Joran's Aruban attorney has told him.  He's a mouth piece and will be sorry he ever took the case.

Hi, trying to catch up; still back on page 10.  I don't know why joe taco is trying so hard to convince the American people that Joran is innocent.  In the end the only one who has to be convinced is the judge and that ain't gonna happen.

[Nut44x4]

He will have plenty of time to get on that boat...he doesn't necessarily need to leave on it 

[ldstlou]

I was wondering why the judge divided the lawyers up for 2K and then send multiple copies to Jorans lawyers outside of Aruba? Unless someone did something they were sworn not to do.

What makes you think JoeT actually has copies of anything?

Hmm good point, its much better to bluf your way back into the game.

JoeT is FOS.  He hasn't seen anything, he's reporting what Joran's Aruban attorney has told him.  He's a mouth piece and will be sorry he ever took the case.

Hi, trying to catch up; still back on page 10.  I don't know why joe taco is trying so hard to convince the American people that Joran is innocent.  In the end the only one who has to be convinced is the judge and that ain't gonna happen.

He likes to hear himself talk?

Good news that Mos DOESN"T have to show all his cards to get j2k an extended vacation in the slammer!!
What's up with renho? meltdown? she keeps getting it wrong! lol

[BUCKSHOT]

KATYSMOM -

I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS !!!

IN MY OPINION, HE IS JUST TRYING TO SHAPE PUBLIC OPINION. PUBLIC OPINION IS VERY IMPORTANT IN NATIONAL / INTERNATIONAL CASES LIKE THIS ONE.

UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS CASE, THE ODDS OF ACCOMPLISHING THIS ARE SLIM TO NONE WITH REGARD TO JORAN. PUBLIC OPINION HAS ALREADY BEEN FORMED ABOUT HIM, KALPOES, PAULUS, AND ARUBA'S (OLD) JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

JOE T., IN MY OPINION, WILL BE UNSUCCESSFUL IN HIS ATTEMPTS.  KEEP IN MIND, HE IS PAID BIG BUCKS TO DO THIS, AND GIVES HIM SOME TV TIME. IT MAY HAVE AN EFFECT ON VERY FEW, BUT THE MAJORITY SEE THIS CHARADE FOR WHAT IT IS.

[Maggie]

There were multiple people involved in the cover-up that we have not seen or heard from in a long time...some of them Paulus' friends, like Von Straaten.
He would know what happened, probably straight from Paulus' mouth.
Could he be Mos' ace in the hole?
Karin J?
Etc?

[klaasend]

There were multiple people involved in the cover-up that we have not seen or heard from in a long time...some of them Paulus' friends, like Von Straaten.
He would know what happened, probably straight from Paulus' mouth.
Could he be Mos' ace in the hole?
Karin J?
Etc?

Very possible Maggie.  We'll just have to wait and see MOS's next move. 

[Frank]

I don't think Mos needs any ace in the hole.

This case is much simpler than we realize. I think the corruption issues are a distraction at this point and in the sense of nailing the 4 suspects, not really relevant yet.

He's keeping it simple and I love the fact that he brought up Joran and Paulus's claim to know more.

Now is the time, let's bring Natalee home.

[MumInOhio]

Evidence, Penalty, Coverup...

EXCELLENT post!!!

Yes It was Hammer...been some really good ones the past few days.

[dennisintn]

Anymonkey help me out....Didn't Steve Croes get fired from the Tattoo gig because he took out one of the boats ?

i think i heard he was fired because he was supposed to be on the boat on watch that night and left the boat.  never heard anyone say why he left.  and that might have just been an excuse to get rid of bad publicity.
dennisintn

[NYC_lover]

Tim Miller/Equusearch has a large membership of volunteers.  They have a group that has the sonar equipment etc for the water searches in Bolingbrook.  Tim need not be there.  I'm sure Tim will be on the ship.  Even if Tim doesn't leave with theh ship I'm fairly certain the ship has a helipad and he could join up with them once in Aruba waters.

Why are they go searching in this case in the water, in Bolingbrook?

Why not here? Or one place that look like on this?

[Nut44x4]

POSTED by Debbie@BFN
Organization to Search for Holloway's Body in Aruba 

The Texas EquuSearch team to conduct deep-water search 

Last Edited: Tuesday, 27 Nov 2007, 4:58 PM CST 
Created: Tuesday, 27 Nov 2007, 4:58 PM CST 
 
Members of a missing-person organization are hoping their trip to Aruba will bring the body of Natalee Holloway back to her family.

The Texas Equusearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team announced it's scheduled to arrive in Aruba sometime next week to conduct a deep-water search for Holloway's body, according to the organization's Web site. The organization, along with deep-water surveyors, will conduct the search.

"It's been a long two-and-a-half years of planning, and we are finally in the position to accomplish our goal and bring this family some much-need closure," the organization stated on its Web site.

Holloway, who was 18 at the time of her abduction, was celebrating with classmates her high school graduation in Aruba when she went missing on May 30, 2005. She last spotted with the three men leaving a bar, hours before she was scheduled to fly back home to Mountain Brook, Ala. 

Three suspects have been detained in connection with Holloway's case. Surinamese brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe and Netherlands resident Joran van der Sloot, were all arrested Nov. 21.

None of the suspects have been formally charged, and all three suspects have pleaded innocent. 
 
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5053973&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1
 
 

[Getagrip]

Hi guys...quick in 'n out. I was reading through Diario and went ahead and translated what was up today. Getting a sense of deja vu so here goes:

IT APPEARS THERE ISN’T ENOUGH TO SOLVE THE CASE OF NATALEE
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/
Diario Aruba

11/28/2007

ORANJESTAD (AAN) – The investigation into the Natalee case is getting to the point where the Aruban Public Ministry and Police, with the cooperation of Dutch Police, must get solid proof in order to bring the case to Court.

At the moment, the proof that they are now presenting does not have enough weight to solve the case and to bring clarity to what really happened to Natalee. The case has taken a very negative turn for justice in the totality of the Dutch Kingdom and also badly affects Aruba’s image.

In America, there is big hope that the truth comes to light now and if this time again the investigation gets to the point where all the suspects go free and there is no case in Court, the issue of new evidence could backfire for Aruba and Holland.

Again, all attention is directed only to the three suspects because for a long time there were one or more people in Aruba who were talking [?] and came across certain people while they were partying.

Perhaps the influence of alcohol in combination with use of drugs resulted in guilty consciences? According to rumours that are going around in closed circles, there are one or more persons who were able to hear, with the help of certain maneuvers, about the case of the disappearance of Natalee and where apparently there are at least 4 more persons involved and for some strange reason this has not drawn police attention.

Does this have to do with some person who helped dispose of Natalee’s body? Who are the three people who police and the Public Ministry has to severely interrogate and if they break under pressure that would solve the case?

Sitting at a bar and close to certain people, sooner or later it gets to the ears of those who can bring key information to those who can solve the case.

On the other hand, it has already been said that there are at least three people who have key information but because of fear they have not approached the Public Ministry.

The moment has come for the Public Ministry to issue a press release where they offer anonymity and protection to all persons who can provide key information to solve the case of Natalee.

If they can give protection to those who buy fake driver’s licenses, then what is it to give protection to those who can help solve a case that has harmed all of Aruba and now even the Dutch Kingdom?

[Helen Back]

Anymonkey help me out....Didn't Steve Croes get fired from the Tattoo gig because he took out one of the boats ?

i think i heard he was fired because he was supposed to be on the boat on watch that night and left the boat.  never heard anyone say why he left.  and that might have just been an excuse to get rid of bad publicity.
dennisintn

Thanks, couldn't remember the circumstances.  Just remember he showed up next at C & C's.

[Peaches]

Anymonkey help me out....Didn't Steve Croes get fired from the Tattoo gig because he took out one of the boats ?

i think i heard he was fired because he was supposed to be on the boat on watch that night and left the boat.  never heard anyone say why he left.  and that might have just been an excuse to get rid of bad publicity.
dennisintn

So if he wasn't on the Tattoo, he would be free to go out on a different boat and make on ocean drop off. 

[Maggie]

Mos is going to be on the island for 2 1/2 more years. He either has to:

A. Clean it ALL up (and live in peace). Return to NL with a good record, to be assigned more good cases.

B. Don't clean any of it up (and live under their thumb for the next few years). Return to NL with less of a reputation than he has now.


What do you think?  IMO it's one or the other, no middle ground.

[Helen Back]

Re:  Diario Aruba article

Seems to me Mos's silent treatment is making everyone nervous.   

[Anna]

GETAGRIP, Good Morning and Thank You for the translation!