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« Reply #960 on: November 29, 2007, 11:38:40 AM »

If Joran didn't confess that they buried her by the FH's, why did the ALE take him there to show them exactly where?

Joran and Tcao will tell you that they never took him there  Rolling Eyes


What to believe. . . my lying eyes that watched them or Joran and Taco?

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well, you just imagined him having a hard time closing the car door, with handcuffs on. Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #961 on: November 29, 2007, 11:38:46 AM »

Janet, thank you for the back up.....I was beginning to think my post above was invisible to all but me.  Wink
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« Reply #962 on: November 29, 2007, 11:39:50 AM »

From Greta's blog:

Another Email From Aruba:
by Greta Van Susteren
 See below …an email from OTR Producer Tim Silfies in Aruba:

From: Silfies, Tim
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Tarrant, Angela
Sent: Thu Nov 29 11:23:25 2007
Subject: Motions

The Kalpoe motion is over. David Kock and Hans argued their respective sides–no decision until tomorrow

By the way, if you have forgotten who Tim is, scroll back through the blog entries to the video of Tim we shot in Aruba on Tuesday


I believe this was only the MOTION to allow K2's the same attorney.
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« Reply #963 on: November 29, 2007, 11:40:57 AM »

From Greta's blog:

Another Email From Aruba:
by Greta Van Susteren
 See below …an email from OTR Producer Tim Silfies in Aruba:

From: Silfies, Tim
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Tarrant, Angela
Sent: Thu Nov 29 11:23:25 2007
Subject: Motions

The Kalpoe motion is over. David Kock and Hans argued their respective sides–no decision until tomorrow

By the way, if you have forgotten who Tim is, scroll back through the blog entries to the video of Tim we shot in Aruba on Tuesday


Does Joran go tomorrow before the Judge?
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« Reply #964 on: November 29, 2007, 11:41:05 AM »

From Greta's blog:

Another Email From Aruba:
by Greta Van Susteren
 See below …an email from OTR Producer Tim Silfies in Aruba:

From: Silfies, Tim
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Tarrant, Angela
Sent: Thu Nov 29 11:23:25 2007
Subject: Motions

The Kalpoe motion is over. David Kock and Hans argued their respective sides–no decision until tomorrow

By the way, if you have forgotten who Tim is, scroll back through the blog entries to the video of Tim we shot in Aruba on Tuesday


if there was nothing new, they would be out TODAY


hehehehehheheeheeheh Cool
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« Reply #965 on: November 29, 2007, 11:41:15 AM »

From Greta's blog:

Another Email From Aruba:
by Greta Van Susteren
 See below …an email from OTR Producer Tim Silfies in Aruba:

From: Silfies, Tim
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Tarrant, Angela
Sent: Thu Nov 29 11:23:25 2007
Subject: Motions

The Kalpoe motion is over. David Kock and Hans argued their respective sides–no decision until tomorrow

By the way, if you have forgotten who Tim is, scroll back through the blog entries to the video of Tim we shot in Aruba on Tuesday


I believe this was only the MOTION to allow K2's the same attorney.

well, with Greta on the job, we'll never know WTF is REALLY going on anyhow
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« Reply #966 on: November 29, 2007, 11:41:52 AM »

last night i put on my rescue suit with the mask and tank ( fire fighter type)
sat on the couch and turned the TV on.

Kids walked by and said "what you doing now  dad?"  Cool Laughing Laughing Laughing


i said the STENCH from JOE TACOIPINA is coming thru the television
it is overwhelming the room. please evacuate the room !!!

even they thought it was funny

my daughter said when she saw JOE on TV  "eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww
he is disgusting"

i said "you got that right"


my son just stood there shaking his head and laughing  Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing




Robots you are soooo funny!  Razz

You bring a lot of joy to this forum, which is a quality I know we all appreciate very much, because our hearts get very heavy thinking of Natalee and her family.

I bet the look on your children's faces was priceless.  Wait...you're Robots, you're children are probably used to your antics!!   Razz

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« Reply #967 on: November 29, 2007, 11:42:19 AM »

If Joran didn't confess that they buried her by the FH's, why did the ALE take him there to show them exactly where?

Joran and Tcao will tell you that they never took him there  Rolling Eyes

their fall back positions will be: l.  y'all are all delusional and didn't see a video showing jvds in cuffs on the beach.  2.  jvds was doing volunteer community service that day by helping the a.l.e. harvest frosted flakes from the frosted flake trees that are abundant in that area.
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o.k., i realize that they aren't really good explanations, but they're as good as the ones we've heard from jvds and taco before.  and a hell of a lot better than the crap the fobru's produce.
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« Reply #968 on: November 29, 2007, 11:43:14 AM »

Joran's 8 day extension was reported right-away. Maybe the Kalpoe attorney request and the Joran scented TP request are delayed...only.
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« Reply #969 on: November 29, 2007, 11:43:32 AM »

From Greta's blog:

Another Email From Aruba:
by Greta Van Susteren
 See below …an email from OTR Producer Tim Silfies in Aruba:

From: Silfies, Tim
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Tarrant, Angela
Sent: Thu Nov 29 11:23:25 2007
Subject: Motions

The Kalpoe motion is over. David Kock and Hans argued their respective sides–no decision until tomorrow

By the way, if you have forgotten who Tim is, scroll back through the blog entries to the video of Tim we shot in Aruba on Tuesday


Does Joran go tomorrow before the Judge?

No, not until December 7th.  Joran's attorney is in court today argueing to allow him less restrictions.
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« Reply #970 on: November 29, 2007, 11:44:23 AM »

Joran's 8 day extension was reported right-away. Maybe the Kalpoe attorney request and the Joran scented TP request are delayed...only.

Yes Igsigs, that's my guess
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« Reply #971 on: November 29, 2007, 11:46:11 AM »

Joran's 8 day extension was reported right-away. Maybe the Kalpoe attorney request and the Joran scented TP request are delayed...only.

Yes Igsigs, that's my guess

So next the judge will go to the separate jails and hear the motion to further detain the Kalpoes on which he is likely to rule immediately?

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« Reply #972 on: November 29, 2007, 11:46:21 AM »

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/11/29/

klaas: There's a photo of Greta & Jossy for this one - might be good to grab.

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Greta van Susteren di bishita na DIARIO
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Riba e potret aki por mira e conocido presentador di e programa “On The Record” di Fox News Channel, esta Greta van Susteren, kende a haci un bishita di cortesia na Jossy Mansur na DIARIO.

E periodista Mericano aki a bira conoci na Aruba ora cu na 1991 el a cuminza traha na CNN y a presenta den e programa “Burden of Proof” y “The Point”.

Pero desde 2001 e ta cu Fox News y desde Juni 2005 e ta cubriendo e storia di Natalee Holloway na Aruba for di punto di bista legal y hudicial.

Online Pap translation:

greta van susteren of visit at daily paper

oranjestad (aan): on the potret here can see the conocido presentador of the declaration of policy “on the record” of fox news channel, esta greta van susteren, that owing to haci one visit of cortesia at jossy mansur at daily paper.

the journalist mericano here owing to become conoci at aruba hour cu at 1991 past owing to cuminza work at cnn y owing to present in the declaration of policy “burden or proof” y “the point”.

but by 2001 the is cu fox news y by june 2005 the is cubriendo the storia of natalee holloway at aruba for of sharp of view legal y hudicial.

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Probably just another typical drug/theft episode, but it's the shot gun that caught my eye.

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Personahe hopi conoci pa esnan den husticia deteni….
SUPUESTO DETENCIONNAN TA SIGUI CAY DEN E CASO DI DROGA

 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Informacion cu a yega na nos mesa di redaccion ta bisa cu tin un detencion a cay relaciona cu e caso di droga, extorsion y labamento di placa.

Dia cu e prome detencionnan a cay tabata tin un cas unda te hasta tiro a cay ora cu e team di aresto a drenta.

Aki ta trata di tiro cu a sali for di un shot gun.A base di esaki mes parce cu tin un detencion a cay unda e homber M.F.P. kende ta un figura conoci pa cu maneho di husticia na Aruba ta ser liga cu e shot gun usa dia di e detencion.

A busca contacto cu fiscal relaciona cu e detencion aki, pero no por a logra haye contacto cu ningun fiscal.

E caso ainda ta canando su rumbo y aunke RST cu a traha dos aña largo riba dje a spera mas den e caso aki, tog e caso no a resulta asina grandi manera nan a pinte cerca ministerio publico y tambe huez comisario cu a duna ok pa e team investigativo actua.

Kizas algun transaccion di droga cu sigur ta contra tur ley, pero e curpanan y cantidad di droga cu tabata ser busca no a ser haya.

Te hasta fiscal tabata busca desesperadamente dia di e detencion riba un tereno na Cashero, pero nan a dal den bashi.

Tabata tin aparato special ta coba, pero tampoco a yuda.E caso aki hopi lo tin gana di mira kico ta bin afor dia cu e ser presenta dilanti di mesa berde.

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personahe much conoci for esnan in husticia deteni….
supuesto detencionnan is follow cay in the caso of drugs


oranjestad (aan): informacion cu owing to arrive at we table of redaccion is tell cu have one detencion owing to cay relaciona cu the caso of drugs, extorsion y labamento of coin.

day cu the first detencionnan owing to cay was have one cas where till even tiro owing to cay hour cu the team of aresto owing to enter.

here is deal of tiro cu owing to leave for of one shot gun.a base of this self seems cu have one detencion owing to cay where he m.f.p. that is one figure conoci for cu maneho of husticia at aruba is being be similar cu the shot gun using day of the detencion.

owing to busca contacto cu fiscal relaciona cu the detencion here, but not can owing to succeed haye contacto cu none fiscal.

the caso still is canando his direction y although rst cu owing to work two year largo on dje owing to wait for more in the caso here, tog the caso not owing to resulta so big as they owing to pinte close ministerio publico y also huez comisario cu owing to give ok for her team investigativo actua.

kizas some transaccion of drugs cu assure is contra all ley, but the curpanan y cantidad of drugs cu was being busca not owing to being achieve.

till even fiscal was busca desesperadamente day of the detencion on one territory at cashero, but they owing to strike in bashi.

was have apparatus special is coba, but niether owing to help.e caso here much will have earn of see kico is come afor day cu the being present fast of table berde.

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Not sure what this is all about. Apparently someone from Surinam killed someone, or was killed, in 1982. Can anyone tell whether this happened on Aruba - or is the article in Diario's "local" section just because Surinam is nearby?

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segun minister di husticia di Suriname,
BOUTERSE A PREPARA ATENTADONAN
 
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Ex lider militar di Suriname Desi Bouterse, relaciona cu e caso contra dje riba e asesinatonan na December ’82 (Decembermoorden), lo a prepara algun atentado.Esaki segun Minister di Husticia di Suriname, Chan Santokhi.

El a bisa tambe cu e informacion a drenta cerca polis y otro instancianan.Segun Santokhi, Bouterse y su siguidornan ta preparando un destabilizacion grandi di e pais.

E destabilizacion aki ta consisti di atentadonan di asesinato planea riba Santokhi mes y otro funcionarionan importante, segun e Minister.Bouterse ta e sospechoso principal pa e caso di “Decembermoorden” di 1982 cu tin cu cuminza Diabierna.

Cada bez el a bisa cu e lo no aparece pa e caso den corte.Segun e Minister, e team di aresto dos siman pasa a hasi un accion den cual a gara un grupo di Surinameño, como tambe stranhero, kendenan tabata leu den nan preparacionnan pa un atentado.E Minister a bisa tambe cu tin simpatizantenan di Bouterse arma, cu ta cla pa bay den accion.

Ademas di esaki lo tin personanan stranhero preparando pa causa disturbionan cu por encera entre otro cende candela.
 

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according minister of husticia of suriname,
bouterse owing to prepara atentadonan


oranjestad(aan): ex leader militar of suriname desi bouterse, relaciona cu the caso contra dje on the asesinatonan at december ’82 (decembermoorden), will owing to prepara some atentado.esaki according minister of husticia of suriname, chan santokhi.

past owing to tell also cu the informacion owing to enter close police y another instancianan.segun santokhi, bouterse y his siguidornan is preparando one destabilizacion big of the country.

the destabilizacion here is consisti of atentadonan of asesinato planea on santokhi self y another funcionarionan important, according the minister.bouterse is the sospechoso principal for her caso of “decembermoorden” of 1982 cu have cu cuminza diabierna.

cada bez past owing to tell cu the will not aparece for her caso in corte.segun the minister, the team of aresto two week happen owing to make one accion in cual owing to grab one are of surinameño, because; also foreigner, kendenan was far in they preparacionnan for one atentado.e minister owing to tell also cu have simpatizantenan of bouterse arm, cu is cla for bay in accion.

apart from this will have personanan foreigner preparando for cause disturbionan cu can encera among another light candela.

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These cases go to court today. Need to keep an eye on the first one mentioned;  Ramm and I went round and round about vehicular homicide recently.

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CASONAN PENAL DEN CORTE AWE
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Awe manera tur Diahuebs, lo tuma lugar diferente caso penal.E prome caso ta e caso den cual E.W.F.F ta wordo acusa di ocasiona un accidente di auto, cu consecuencia fatal, door di core auto cu velocidad halto y sin pone atencion na trafico.

Despues di esaki, G.F.F mester presenta dilanti di mesa berde, pa motibo cu el a wordo acusa di horta placa for di un negoshi, usando menaza cu violencia.

Ultimo caso awe lo ta e caso den cual M.A.S ta wordo acusa di secuestra un persona. Ademas di esaki e ta wordo acusa di posesion di un arma di candela, sin permiso di Minister di Husticia.E ta wordo acusa tambe di maltrata un persona, unda cu e lo a menaza e persona tambe cu morto.

Online Pap translation:

casonan penal in corte today

oranjestad(aan): today as all diahuebs, will take lugar various caso penal.e first caso is the caso in cual e.w.f.f is wordo acusa of ocasiona one accidente of car, cu consecuencia fateful, door of core car cu velocidad high y without place atencion at trafico.

after of this, g.f.f have to present fast of table berde, for motibo cu past owing to wordo acusa of steal coin for of one business, usando menaza cu violencia.

ultimo caso today will is the caso in cual m.a.s is wordo acusa of secuestra one person. apart from this the is wordo acusa of posesion of one arm of candela, without permission of minister of husticia.e is wordo acusa also of maltrata one person, where cu the will owing to menaza the person also cu dead. {Might m.a.s. be Michael Saladin?}

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Sentencing today in this sad case of child molestation.

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VEREDICTO DEN CASO DI ACTONAN INMORAL DI PADRASTRO
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Awe mainta ta bay tuma lugar sentencia den e caso den cual Wendell R.M a wordo acusa di a comete actonan inmoral cu yiu muher di su casa.E actonan inmoral aki lo a cuminza alrededor di 12 aña pasa, ora cu e mucha tabata tin 8 aña.

Den e caso aki, rapport di polis a mustra cu e mucha muher a denuncia cu na dado momento ora e tabata sinta riba su scochi di su padrastro, e padrastro a haya un ereccion.

E padrastro a cuminza sunchi e mucha muher na su garganta y frega riba dje y mishi cune.Esaki a sigui te ora e mucha tabata tin alrededor di 10 aña.

Despues di un tempo ora e mucha muher a bira 12 aña, su padrastro a cuminza atrobe, ora cu e mama no tabata na cas.

E mucha muher a conta polis cu un dia e homber a drenta su camber y a bise cu su casa(mama di e mucha) no tabata satisface sexualmente y cu quizas e si por satisface e homber, pasobra e ta jong. E homber na dado momento a cuminza mishi cu partinan intimo di e mucha, usando tambe su boca. Wendell mes a admiti na polis loke a pasa y el a bisa cu e sa cu el a hasi malo.

El a bisa si cu e tabata bringa contra loke e tabata sinti y cu despues el a logra controla esaki.Awe mainta huez lo duna su sentencia, den e caso lamentable aki.

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veredicto in caso of actonan inmoral of padrastro

oranjestad(aan): today morning is bay take lugar sentencia in the caso in cual wendell r.m owing to wordo acusa of owing to comete actonan inmoral cu child muher of his casa.e actonan inmoral here will owing to cuminza alrededor of 12 year happen, hour cu the child was have 8 year.

in the caso here, rapport of police owing to show cu the child muher owing to denuncia cu at dado instant hour the was sit on his scochi of his padrastro, the padrastro owing to achieve one ereccion.

the padrastro owing to cuminza kiss the child muher at his throat y rub on dje y touch cune.esaki owing to follow till hour the child was have alrededor of 10 year.

after of one time hour the child muher owing to become 12 year, his padrastro owing to cuminza again, hour cu the mother not was at home.

the child muher owing to count ; police cu one day he owing to enter his camber y owing to bise cu his casa(mama of the mucha) not was satisface sexualmente y cu quizas the if can satisface he, because the is jong. he at dado instant owing to cuminza touch cu partinan intimo of the child, usando also his mouth. wendell self owing to admiti at police thing owing to happen y past owing to tell cu the know cu past owing to make bad.

past owing to tell if cu the was fight contra thing the was feel y cu after past owing to succeed controla this.awe morning huez will give his sentencia, in the caso lamentable here.

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« Reply #973 on: November 29, 2007, 11:46:48 AM »

Joran's 8 day extension was reported right-away. Maybe the Kalpoe attorney request and the Joran scented TP request are delayed...only.

Yes Igsigs, that's my guess

So next the judge will go to the separate jails and hear the motion to further detain the Kalpoes on which he is likely to rule immediately?

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« Reply #974 on: November 29, 2007, 11:47:09 AM »

Joran's 8 day extension was reported right-away. Maybe the Kalpoe attorney request and the Joran scented TP request are delayed...only.

Yes Igsigs, that's my guess

I am on info overload...are we sure the K 8-day hearing is today?
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« Reply #975 on: November 29, 2007, 11:48:10 AM »

which one of the kalpoes was recorded as saying they went to the beach after 3am text message.

where did this info come from ??
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« Reply #976 on: November 29, 2007, 11:48:31 AM »

If Joran didn't confess that they buried her by the FH's, why did the ALE take him there to show them exactly where?

Joran and Tcao will tell you that they never took him there  Rolling Eyes


What to believe. . . my lying eyes that watched them or Joran and Taco?

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well, you just imagined him having a hard time closing the car door, with handcuffs on. Rolling Eyes

And banging on the car with his handcuffed fists?  This is when I think Paulus had arranged for the removal and relocation of the remains without telling his Sporter and why Joran angry.  He was sure he could nail Deepak all on his own at that point and Paulus had messed up his plans by doing that.

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« Reply #977 on: November 29, 2007, 11:48:50 AM »

Joran's 8 day extension was reported right-away. Maybe the Kalpoe attorney request and the Joran scented TP request are delayed...only.

Yes Igsigs, that's my guess

So next the judge will go to the separate jails and hear the motion to further detain the Kalpoes on which he is likely to rule immediately?

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Well, the jusdge COULD decide to fly back to Curacao and send his decision back by way of smoke signal.  If he can discover fire in time.
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« Reply #978 on: November 29, 2007, 11:49:18 AM »

Joran's 8 day extension was reported right-away. Maybe the Kalpoe attorney request and the Joran scented TP request are delayed...only.

Yes Igsigs, that's my guess

I am on info overload...are we sure the K 8-day hearing is today?

YES and last time the judge went to them.
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« Reply #979 on: November 29, 2007, 11:50:13 AM »

If Joran didn't confess that they buried her by the FH's, why did the ALE take him there to show them exactly where?

Joran and Tcao will tell you that they never took him there  Rolling Eyes


What to believe. . . my lying eyes that watched them or Joran and Taco?

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well, you just imagined him having a hard time closing the car door, with handcuffs on. Rolling Eyes

And banging on the car with his handcuffed fists?  This is when I think Paulus had arranged for the removal and relocation of the remains without telling his Sporter and why Joran angry.  He was sure he could nail Deepak all on his own at that point and Paulus had messed up his plans by doing that.

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interesting point of view / theory ...........
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