Natalee Case Discussion #697 11/29 - 11/30/2007

[crazybabyborg]

Shep just said that there are new translators and are coming up with different versions of what's been said on tapped calls, and listening devices.

Is this a defense position?

[Tylergal]

Why on earth would Paulus contact any of those kids when he had mature, willing friends such as Vocking and vdStratten who would have enough sense to keep their traps shut?

My list of those involved has shrunk over the last year as no one has come forward spilling the beans.  Who would want to live under this cloud for Joran?

Paulus never lost control of things and certainly I can't see him involving a gang of juvenile delinquents in something this career ending.

MO

His career was over when Natalee took her last breath.  My mind flips about Paulus' involvement.  Did he assist or participate.  Paulus is a criminal and has a criminal mind just like Joran.  Deepak said to Joran you are just like your father.

Participated.

[Magnolia]

I think Kock on one of the shows mentioned the hearing on whether K2 would be extended another 8 days would be either Thursday OR Friday.  Looks like that hearing will be tomorrow now. 

Thanks, Klaas,

Guess a whole day of work was just more than the judge was up to!

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Reckon he'll spend the night with Paulus and Anita or fly back tomorrow?

[Tylergal]

Shep just said that there are new translators and are coming up with different versions of what's been said on tapped calls, and listening devices.

Is this a defense position?

Sounds like a "shep" problem.  Geez, I suggested to Brit that he put Shep on that news time instead of Laurie Dhue, what was I thinking?

[Lala'sMom]

Shep just said that there are new translators and are coming up with different versions of what's been said on tapped calls, and listening devices.

Is this a defense position?

How are these calls being released to the news media?  What happened to hush-hush?  This is what I feared.

[Tamikosmom]

I think Kock on one of the shows mentioned the hearing on whether K2 would be extended another 8 days would be either Thursday OR Friday.  Looks like that hearing will be tomorrow now. 

Thanks, Klaas,

Guess a whole day of work was just more than the judge was up to!

.

Anna and Klaas

I speculate that your speculations are right on!   

Luv ya both.

No more speculations from Tamikosmom for the afternoon ... I am off.

Later, Janet
12:30 PM

[klaasend]

Pretty far from Aruba but large earthquake for the Caribbean area:

Earthquake Details
Magnitude 7.4
Date-Time Thursday, November 29, 2007 at 19:00:19 UTC
Thursday, November 29, 2007 at 03:00:19 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones 
Location 14.951°N, 61.241°W
Depth 143.1 km (88.9 miles)
Region MARTINIQUE REGION, WINDWARD ISLANDS
Distances 23 km (14 miles) NNW (332°) from Le Morne-Rouge, Saint-Pierre, Martinique
23 km (14 miles) NW (306°) from Le Lorrain, La Trinité, Martinique
24 km (15 miles) NNW (344°) from Saint-Pierre, Saint-Pierre, Martinique
42 km (26 miles) SSE (159°) from ROSEAU, Dominica
270 km (168 miles) NW (320°) from BRIDGETOWN, Barbados
 
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 4.3 km (2.7 miles); depth +/- 6.6 km (4.1 miles)
Parameters Nst=202, Nph=202, Dmin=268.1 km, Rmss=0.8 sec, Gp= 40°,
M-type=moment magnitude (Mw), Version=7 
Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
 
Event ID us2007kha5

[Tylergal]

A fish trap or a body would easily fit in the Vander Sloot Jeep.
A ripped down shower curtain would be a perfect thing to wrap a
body to keep from leaving traces.

Brings to mind the bloody bathtub pictures posted by some of Val and Joran's friends.

[crazybabyborg]

Shep just said that there are new translators and are coming up with different versions of what's been said on tapped calls, and listening devices.

Is this a defense position?

How are these calls being released to the news media?  What happened to hush-hush?  This is what I feared.

Lala's, I don't know how much of the content is being released. The existance of the taps and bugs is certainly out there.

[klaasend]

Shep just said that there are new translators and are coming up with different versions of what's been said on tapped calls, and listening devices.

Is this a defense position?

YES

[robots]

the only difference in the translation is

joran says he only hit Natalee 8 times and the K2 brothers say he hit her 12 times


defense SPIN

[Lala'sMom]

Shep just said that there are new translators and are coming up with different versions of what's been said on tapped calls, and listening devices.

Is this a defense position?

YES

Is this like the Skeeter's tape all over again?  Gosh! 

[klaasend]

Shep just said that there are new translators and are coming up with different versions of what's been said on tapped calls, and listening devices.

Is this a defense position?

YES

Is this like the Skeeter's tape all over again?  Gosh! 

I believe that KLPD found, after actually watching the videos of the interrigations, that some of the PV's weren't accurate.  Honest mistake or intentional???  My money says intentional.

[robots]

Shep just said that there are new translators and are coming up with different versions of what's been said on tapped calls, and listening devices.

Is this a defense position?

YES

Is this like the Skeeter's tape all over again?  Gosh! 

I believe that KLPD found, after actually watching the videos of the interrigations, that some of the PV's weren't accurate.  Honest mistake or intentional???  My money says intentional.

[klaasend]

I love it when posters at RU out other RU members as liars: 

[NYC_lover]

Wrote at RU:

Motions in Aruba are Concluded - Nov 29, 2007

From: Silfies, Tim
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Tarrant, Angela
Sent: Thu Nov 29 11:23:25 2007
Subject: Motions

The Kalpoe motion is over. David Kock and Hans argued their respective sides–no decision until tomorrow

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Joran’s motion is over. Hans left without speaking. Joran’s lawyer spoke on his way to the car. Said “they have nothing…..Joran was questioned as recently as last night”. A Dutch reporter told us that in Dutch, the lawyer said that the new evidence is “based mostly on a mistranslation between Dutch and Papiamento”

[Spock]

The New Evidence Is:


We know now, the new evidence includes taped conversations at the suspect homes (electronic bugging). We also know anything gathered since the Summer 2005 release of the suspects is also considered "new" for the purpose of re-detaining the boys. To be specific, we have learned one of the Kalpoe boys was heard admitting that he returned to beach after the 3 am text messages to Joran and that the earlier declarations had significant gaps that were recoved from the original video taped interogations.

I brought this over from the previous discussion. Much of this was said on Greta the last few nights. Tacopino dropped the "bomb" about one of the brothers returning to the beach. The "gaps" in the transcripts were also mentioned.

[Tylergal]

Shep just said that there are new translators and are coming up with different versions of what's been said on tapped calls, and listening devices.

Is this a defense position?

YES

Is this like the Skeeter's tape all over again?  Gosh! 

You gotta believe the church sister is right there, with hand out, wanting to transcribe.

[igsigs]

Klaas - i think K Hemingway is Moonshadow, Anita's *friend*.

[Tylergal]

The New Evidence Is:


We know now, the new evidence includes taped conversations at the suspect homes (electronic bugging). We also know anything gathered since the Summer 2005 release of the suspects is also considered "new" for the purpose of re-detaining the boys. To be specific, we have learned one of the Kalpoe boys was heard admitting that he returned to beach after the 3 am text messages to Joran and that the earlier declarations had significant gaps that were recoved from the original video taped interogations.

I brought this over from the previous discussion. Much of this was said on Greta the last few nights. Tacopino dropped the "bomb" about one of the brothers returning to the beach. The "gaps" in the transcripts were also mentioned.

Taco dropped a lot of hot air.  If he ever dropped any honest information, it would mean he is comatose.