Natalee Case Discussion #697 11/29 - 11/30/2007

[Dayhiker]

What if Mos had them remove it and refused Joe entry into Aruba as a result? How cool would that be!

Mos and the judiciary should move against him, Tyler. He is releasing privileged court information (of course whatever he can twist as exculpatory for Joran and we know he lies like he did last night) on US media to try to sway public opinion for his client. They need to gag his ass and ban him from Aruba.

No Wreck, you aren't the only one pissed about this.

[Noly]

Why would Joe have ANY of the papers/evidence for what's going on right now?

WHY????

or he just lying about that?

[Spock]

On the longshot that I am wrong, let's check and see, how many other people heard the statement:

"The homes were bugged and one of the Kalpoe brothers admitted he had returned later to the beach that night"

If I am wrong, I apologise.

[blah]

joe calls joran a "BOY"

joran has bigger breasts than some women i know


ooooooopppppps

did i really just say that ?

 

[wreck]

I do think it would be cool if Mos did infact shut out Joe -- but it would be JUST AS WRONG for FOX to redact Joe just because Mos requested it. In journalism -- you play it as it lays!!!!

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:41 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA


Joran and Natalee ended up at his place.  Deepak and Satish left them there and went to clean the car...it was a mess in the back seat...won't elaborate here...don't need to...what happened next is all a mystery, since only the perps know if she was dead already or died there.

Hi Lala'sMom,  Do you know if it was rumor or fact that a blouse or clothing of Natalee's was discovered in Lorenzo's basement?  We learned a lot about Lorenzo in the summer of 2005.  Rave parties - that led no where IMO as we had no confirmation they went there.  He had a boat, but I bet lots of locals have boats in Aruba.  If Paulus had a good relationship with Lorenzo, it could be he asked him to help dispose of a body, but there hasn't been smoke about this, so I really wonder if it is hot.

What I would like to know is how difficult would it be to take a small boat out of the bay and go into the ocean, always active with waves.  A wire cage on board with a body inside, how difficult would that be to dump overboard?  Maybe with 2 guys hoisting it and heaving it overboard it wouldn't be difficult, but there certainly would be a normal reaction of the boat to move in the opposite direction on letting go of it.  Letting it roll off the side of the boat to splash down into the water would leave the possibility of scraping the boat,

It could have been a bit tricky for high schoolers to maneuver, and that would mean if they realized this ahead of time, they would need someone to ferry her out that had enough experience to do the task safely and not jeopardize any lives.  Either SC or Lorenzo come to mind!  ;}

Clothing story was a rumor.  Never saw any evidence, maybe someone else has some info on that.  Truthfully, the Gottenbos have a boat that could possibly carry a body out to sea.  Yes, Lorenzo has a boat also, but as of yet, nothing to substantiate the claims.

[Katysmom]

Why would Joe have ANY of the papers/evidence for what's going on right now?

WHY????

or he just lying about that?

Joe T doesn't know Jack Chit

[snoopy]

If Joe L. said it -- then someone violated the "gag order." It is NOT FOXNEWS' job to cover his tracks for him. In fact, I think it it is downright COLLUSION to edit his (or Joran's attorneys) CRIMINAL act. This should get someone fired!!!!

You're right Wreck. Joe is not a registered lawyer in Aruba and therefore has no right to access of the court files. They should reprimand Joran's lawyers and make sure Joe does not get this information. It is a clear violation of the law. Joe with his big mouth could release evidence or testimony that could taint the case. He has no right to be trying to shape a case for his US client on mainstream media using privileged court information. I hope Mos will move on this.

This really ticks me off too!!  If he does in fact have privileged court information someone from Aruba sent it to him.  I wonder if this information could be ruled inadmissible in court because it was released?  Maybe this is exactly what Tacky Joe is trying to do. Anybody know?  Where's Paulus?  Of course missy Arlene said that "we don't understand their system" .  Mos needs to track this down!         

[Silverfox]

There is one thing that sorta confuses me about the new discussions over the past few hours.

That is the 1:30 washing the car discussion, and then subsequent time lines.

I thought CnC closed at 1:00 am...and that Nat left with the boys in the car at closing time which would also indicate they would be in "closing time traffic" -- other cars also leaving at same time...You know? Traffic jam kinda thing to get out of parking lots, etc....

If so wouldn't be near impossible to have the 2 bros washing car at 1:30 am back at the Kalpoe home?

Something doesn't add up here.  If so, then Nat's demise, if the car is indeed involved, happened very very quickly, right?

[wreck]

Why would Joe have ANY of the papers/evidence for what's going on right now?

WHY????

or he just lying about that?

Joe T doesn't know Jack Chit

No, but he DOES know Paulus Chit and Joran's real attorneys.

[dennisintn]

Why would Joe have ANY of the papers/evidence for what's going on right now?

WHY????

or he just lying about that?

Joe T doesn't know Jack Chit

No, but he DOES know Paulus Chit and Joran's real attorneys.

so who is going to see that mos gets a copy of the original tape? 
dennisintn

[Anna]

I am not CERTAIN exactly WHEN I heard Joe T say that but did think I heard it at some point in time.

It is very hard to keep straight when he said what.  Today, for example, I could swear he has been on Fox about once an hour proclaiming Joran's innocence.  Does he have nothing else to do?  This is getting ridiculous.

But I can't say for sure when he said it if it was Greta last night or not.

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[Stom]

On the longshot that I am wrong, let's check and see, how many other people heard the statement:

"The homes were bugged and one of the Kalpoe brothers admitted he had returned later to the beach that night"

If I am wrong, I apologise.

That statement was not in last night's Tacopina Interview, and he didn't discuss any new findings at all.

If I were Kock or Figueroa, I'd request an injunction to stop the information flow from Joran's Aruban attorney to Tacopina ...whenever he defends JvdS, he does it in a way that will generate doubts on the other two suspects, to influence public opinion against the brothers.

Has anyone found out if Jose Figueroa (not Figaroa as I thought) is a member of Kick's offices?

[blah]

Why would Joe have ANY of the papers/evidence for what's going on right now?

WHY????

or he just lying about that?

werent the Kalpoes trying to argue some point in the Dr Phil case that Aruba law prevents them from turning over documents to the US courts/lawyers.  Yet here we have them turning over documents to Taco?


It's nice when you can just change the laws at your own convenience

[SunnyinTX]

On the longshot that I am wrong, let's check and see, how many other people heard the statement:

"The homes were bugged and one of the Kalpoe brothers admitted he had returned later to the beach that night"

If I am wrong, I apologise.

I did not hear that....I watched ir...but do not remember hearing that....if it was said I hope someone captured it

[Nut44x4]

Am I the only one spittin' mad that FOX would REDACT/DELETE words actually uttered on their own broadcast simply to "protect" their "guest"??????

This is OUTRAGEOUS!! WHO ELSE WOULD THEY EVER OFFER THIS COURTESY????

 

maybe they are just covering their own asses from possible lawsuit...I don't  know, but I do think it is wrong. FAIR AND BALANCED??? I think not!

[Anna]

On the longshot that I am wrong, let's check and see, how many other people heard the statement:

"The homes were bugged and one of the Kalpoe brothers admitted he had returned later to the beach that night"

If I am wrong, I apologise.

That statement was not in last night's Tacopina Interview, and he didn't discuss any new findings at all.

If I were Kock or Figueroa, I'd request an injunction to stop the information flow from Joran's Aruban attorney to Tacopina ...whenever he defends JvdS, he does it in a way that will generate doubts on the other two suspects, to influence public opinion against the brothers.

Has anyone found out if Jose Figueroa (not Figaroa as I thought) is a member of Kick's offices?

Might you mean Kock's offices, STom.  Please don't tell me there is a whole law firm involved that I haven't even heard of yet.

And if we can't keep these lawyers straight, what are the odds the jailers with ALE can?  What's to stop say the Kalpoes from switching attorneys for a session or two to exchange ideas/

I think there needs to be a list of the attorneys of record for each suspect.  Maybe there is somewhere but we don't have it.

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[Frank]

Wasn't it Jossy who made that comment?

[blah]

This whole thing is strating to smell allot like 2005 all over again.

I dont like it.  Something is not right.  This is another show, these sonsofbitches!!!

[Port Valerie]

I recall it this way:

Greta asked Taco about the new evidence coming from wiretaps. Taco said there were no wiretaps; the new evidence came from bugs placed in their homes. He did not say which homes. Then Greta asked if the the evidence (from the bugs) came after April of 2007. (I think she was wondering whether the bugs were put in place during the investigation around that time.) That's when Taco went all legalish and said he wasn't allowed to say.

I don't recall any mention of what the bugs revealed, or any mention of Deepak going to the beach. It could have been there.  I just don't recall it.

Taco was the first one on the case, as far as I know, and the only one, to offer up the idea that bugs were used.

Are you all saying that Fox took the bug comment out of their transcripts? That would be nuts.