Natalee Case Discussion #697 11/29 - 11/30/2007

[2NJSons_Mom]

Tyler,
I remember what you are talking about Joe T and Rosemary being involved at least in some capacity from that Rizzio or whatever his name was, think he may have died since then?  Or one of the did but that was the time false evidence was being found all over the island like the duct tape, etc.

But you may be right about that being the time they became involved and I think that Rizzio was supposedly hired by Paulus who has no such money.  Always thought it was by Posner but cannot substantiate that.  Anyway, I think it is old mob connections from Posner's olden days.  He is why they were all there so very early.

Just my opinion only.

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Rizzo...Frank, I think....Philadelphia

[Anna]

personally

i think Mos has the 3 punks and he is trying to get the sweaty whale(s)


let the 3 punks sit in jail until they  puke up some info on sweaty whale


thats my opinion

why only get 3 when you can get 4 or more
 

All he needs is Deepak and Satish talking it over when they think they are alone plus someone infiltrating to get Joran to say the same thing in Holland and he has them.

Yes, let's hope it includes all involved.  At this point I don't think it is much more than J2K + Pvds.  I posted twice yesterday but it was ignored that new article on America's Most Wanted where Ed Miller says those close to the investigation say Geoffrey von Cromvoirt is believed to have sold them the date rate drugs.

But normally in a crime like this we never even know who the drug dealer is because could have been bought on any street corner especially in druggy Aruba.

MO only.

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[BUCKSHOT]

LEAVING C&C TOGETHER, NATALEE DISAPPEARING, AND VERY FEW OTHER 100% CONCRETE FACTS EXIST IN THIS CASE.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS RUMOR / DEDUCTIVE THINKING / SPECULATION.

FELLOW MONKEYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB COMBINING INTERVIEWS, LEAKED INFO, LOGICAL THINKING, ETC.. TO REALLY COME UP WITH A VALID TIMELINE, PERIPHERAL PERSON(S) INVOLVED, ETC. ---- VERY IMPRESSIVE. I THOROUGHLY ENJOY PLAYING ONLINE DETECTIVE WITH ALL THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTE.

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas ... would please change the yellow highlite in my quote to red.

Thanks

Janet

Thanks Klaas.

Now if you give me the option of editing my own posts ....

I promise not to tell the other Monkeys.

Janet

[Anna]

Tyler,
I remember what you are talking about Joe T and Rosemary being involved at least in some capacity from that Rizzio or whatever his name was, think he may have died since then?  Or one of the did but that was the time false evidence was being found all over the island like the duct tape, etc.

But you may be right about that being the time they became involved and I think that Rizzio was supposedly hired by Paulus who has no such money.  Always thought it was by Posner but cannot substantiate that.  Anyway, I think it is old mob connections from Posner's olden days.  He is why they were all there so very early.

Just my opinion only.

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Rizzo...Frank, I think....Philadelphia

Yeah, him.  Real early in all this.

And 2NJ, don't be offended when people pick on Italians!  Think what they have said about the Dutch and I just carry on, LOL.  I get mad at them, too, the Dutch, much of the time.  They know better and sometimes I can tell when they are just punking us but can't prove it so just let it slide.  Makes me mad when they do that but I can pick up on it sometimes.  We are not seeing good examples of either Italians or the Dutch.  Except maybe Mos.  I like him.  And deVries.  The rest seem to really suck and are not typical I am sure.

But Frank Rizzio went to Aruba to help very early, Paulus supposedly and he is connected to Posner some how in the mob hierarchy.  Maybe I should not say that?  On my third hard drive already.

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[GabbyG]

Local news abc3340 led with Natalee Holloway story tonight...pretty much the same stuff we already know except the interview with Dave Holloway.  Mentioned the boat that left from Louisiana today and the new search that was planned.  Dave said the prosecutor told him a "couple weeks" ago that Natalee was no longer alive. 

Next question that Hammer has been asking for 2 years now...HOW DOES MOS KNOW SHE IS DEAD?

Someone told them...showed them...or they heard it from the wire taps. 

Dave/TES/KLPD/FBI/Prosecutor all working together.  They know Natalee is not alive.  Maybe they do have a pretty good idea where in the ocean she was put?

I believe they do, at least within a reasonable zone...otherwise it would be worse than finding a needle in a haystack. That is one huge pond out there, ya know.

Mos knows that Natalee is deceased and also knows more, obviously. I think he probably learned how she died and where her body is either from the phone taps, the house bugs, videos, etc. and I believe he was decent enough to share that information with either the FBI who informed Dave, or perhaps he even shared it with TES or Dave directly. I think Tim knows exactly where to look and I believe he will bring Natalee home at long last, and I believe we will have Mos to thank for that.

[robots]

personally

i think Mos has the 3 punks and he is trying to get the sweaty whale(s)


let the 3 punks sit in jail until they  puke up some info on sweaty whale


thats my opinion

why only get 3 when you can get 4 or more
 

All he needs is Deepak and Satish talking it over when they think they are alone plus someone infiltrating to get Joran to say the same thing in Holland and he has them.

Yes, let's hope it includes all involved.  At this point I don't think it is much more than J2K + Pvds.  I posted twice yesterday but it was ignored that new article on America's Most Wanted where Ed Miller says those close to the investigation say Geoffrey von Cromvoirt is believed to have sold them the date rate drugs.

But normally in a crime like this we never even know who the drug dealer is because could have been bought on any street corner especially in druggy Aruba.

MO only.

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yes and as you said the other day. let them go after the corruption at another date

i want the people that raped and killed and hid Natalee's body brought down

K2, joran and paulus are the players

[robots]

Local news abc3340 led with Natalee Holloway story tonight...pretty much the same stuff we already know except the interview with Dave Holloway.  Mentioned the boat that left from Louisiana today and the new search that was planned.  Dave said the prosecutor told him a "couple weeks" ago that Natalee was no longer alive. 

Next question that Hammer has been asking for 2 years now...HOW DOES MOS KNOW SHE IS DEAD?

Someone told them...showed them...or they heard it from the wire taps. 

Dave/TES/KLPD/FBI/Prosecutor all working together.  They know Natalee is not alive.  Maybe they do have a pretty good idea where in the ocean she was put?

I believe they do, at least within a reasonable zone...otherwise it would be worse than finding a needle in a haystack. That is one huge pond out there, ya know.

Mos knows that Natalee is deceased and also knows more, obviously. I think he probably learned how she died and where her body is either from the phone taps, the house bugs, videos, etc. and I believe he was decent enough to share that information with either the FBI who informed Dave, or perhaps he even shared it with TES or Dave directly. I think Tim knows exactly where to look and I believe he will bring Natalee home at long last, and I believe we will have Mos to thank for that.

i agree

thank you Mister Hans Mos 

[Observer]

Rizzo...Frank, I think....Philadelphia

I thought he was from chicago and his name was ernie rizzo??. Was a bit of a legend from chi-town and sometimes appeared on TV as a commentater?? I always thought it was Posner's PI as well. When Posner spoke about it he said he hired Investigators as in more than one. I read up on what I could about this guy as he was old school and had a great rep. He bragged about his ability to look up cell phones numbers and impersonate people.

[Anna]

Joran has not let anything stop his love of gambling.
http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot   
One of his nicknames is angryshark 68

Here is a new cute mug shot  http://joranvandersloot.spaces.live.com/photos/cns!9E74C66583487C84!780/
(Dont know how to post pictures)

Thanks..Looks like he he was on cloud 9 with his biggest win ever on 11/20/07. He won $4,776 on a $33 tourney. The next day he wasnt so lucky 

For real???

I can't believe a jobless college freshman can play in that kind of stakes.

But I don't think Joran sells drugs because he is too lazy.  He would have to really hustle in either Aruba or Netherlands, too much competition and he is just not going to work that hard to make any amount of money to support all this.

I don't know where he gets his money but might be money laundering for the casino owners or something like that but Joran is not one to work hard enough to make money selling drugs in my opinion only.

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[klaasend]

Klaas ... would please change the yellow highlite in my quote to red.

Thanks

Janet

Thanks Klaas.

Now if you give me the option of editing my own posts ....

I promise not to tell the other Monkeys.

Janet

   Actually when I saw it, I changed it from yellow to orange.  Then you requested red and CBB fixed it before I could to red.

I doubt the "edit button" will return.  Too much bad history at SM with the edit button.  I don't mind fixing things 

[Observer]

Joran has not let anything stop his love of gambling.
http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot   
One of his nicknames is angryshark 68

Here is a new cute mug shot  http://joranvandersloot.spaces.live.com/photos/cns!9E74C66583487C84!780/
(Dont know how to post pictures)

Thanks..Looks like he he was on cloud 9 with his biggest win ever on 11/20/07. He won $4,776 on a $33 tourney. The next day he wasnt so lucky 

For real???

I can't believe a jobless college freshman can play in that kind of stakes.

But I don't think Joran sells drugs because he is too lazy.  He would have to really hustle in either Aruba or Netherlands, too much competition and he is just not going to work that hard to make any amount of money to support all this.

I don't know where he gets his money but might be money laundering for the casino owners or something like that but Joran is not one to work hard enough to make money selling drugs in my opinion only.

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He was not playing cheap tournaments either. I saw that he played up to $133 a game and judging by his wins he played a great deal. Especially in the last month.

[robots]

frank Rizzo is a JERKY BOY character and is hilarious


i will tell you were joran gets his money

it will make you sick but here it is, i tell it like it is and of course people get upset but
im sure this is what was going on


Joran (gets the girls) to come with him and they do come with him (AT LEAST 20 TIMES before) then he gets the other punks like K2 brothers to PAY him so they can rape the girls, people that are 23 years old and still in high school are not attractive candidates as mates or dates

that is why K2 are willing to HAUL FAT ASS joran around at all hours of the night for free.....

sickening but true

joran gets money this way and of course the old fashioned way
HE STEALS it FROM EVERYONE even his own family
plus there are probably a rash of robberies at the health club

obviously joran wasnt getting any evercise there......delicious sporter

BULL CRAP  BULL CRAP   

i would knock his lights out with my pinky

 

[robots]

i woudl knock his lights out and he would be swallowing his own teeth
and im 89 years old


 

[Tamikosmom]

Other than the Holiday Inn fabrication ... I believe that each of Joran's accounts regarding how he got home that fateful morning as well as the insertion of the missing shoes has everything to do with implicating Deepak/Satish as being the last person/s alone with Natalee Holloway.  If Deepak or Satish admitted to picking up Joran at the beach they would be furthering Joran's agenda of implicating them in what happened to Natalee Holloway.  However ... if they maintain that they only dropped Natalee and Joran off at the Marriot Beach ... then they are implicating Joran as the last person with Natalee.

In my opinion, when you consider the gardener's observation at 2:30 AM on the morning that Natalee disappearance ... Joran, Deepak and Satish are all lying.  Joran, Deepak and (?) were together at 2:30 PM sitting in Deepaks parked vehicle across the street from the Marriot Beach and ... no Natalee.   

Janet

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1.  "I WALKED HOME".

Joran is implying that Deepak/Satish returned to beach after he  contacted Deepak and stated he was in the process of walking home after leaving Natalee at the beach sleeping.


2.  "DEEPAK AND SATISH DROPPED ME OFF AT HOME AND LEFT WITH NATALEE".

Joran is implying that Deepak and Satish were the last persons observed with the missing 18 year old American citizen.


3.  "DEEPAK PICKED ME UP AT THE BEACH AND THEN RETURNED TO LOOK FOR MY SHOES."

Joran is implying that Deepak could have encountered Natalee Holloway at the Marriot Beach where she had been left alone a short time previous


4.  "SATISH PICKED ME UP AT THE BEACH AND THEN RETURNED TO LOOK FOR MY SHOES."

Joran is implying that Satish could have encountered Natalee Holloway at the Marriot Beach where she had been left alone a short time previous.
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Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.


Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
August 17, 2005

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": I don`t know what`s happening, but the gardener, the witness, did stand by his story. He did confirm in front of the judge, in front of the defense attorneys, in front of the suspects, that he recognized, and he even recognized two of the three suspects that were there. He hasn`t changed his story one bit


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2006

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

[Kat_Gram]

Tyler,
I remember what you are talking about Joe T and Rosemary being involved at least in some capacity from that Rizzio or whatever his name was, think he may have died since then?  Or one of the did but that was the time false evidence was being found all over the island like the duct tape, etc.

But you may be right about that being the time they became involved and I think that Rizzio was supposedly hired by Paulus who has no such money.  Always thought it was by Posner but cannot substantiate that.  Anyway, I think it is old mob connections from Posner's olden days.  He is why they were all there so very early.

Just my opinion only.

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I think you have the name correct, also I seem to recall him being dead. Why is there so much money involved here in lawyers, etc ? Nobody has anything but regular jobs.

[Tylergal]

Tyler,
I remember what you are talking about Joe T and Rosemary being involved at least in some capacity from that Rizzio or whatever his name was, think he may have died since then?  Or one of the did but that was the time false evidence was being found all over the island like the duct tape, etc.

But you may be right about that being the time they became involved and I think that Rizzio was supposedly hired by Paulus who has no such money.  Always thought it was by Posner but cannot substantiate that.  Anyway, I think it is old mob connections from Posner's olden days.  He is why they were all there so very early.

Just my opinion only.

.

Rizzo...Frank, I think....Philadelphia

Yeah, him.  Real early in all this.

And 2NJ, don't be offended when people pick on Italians!  Think what they have said about the Dutch and I just carry on, LOL.  I get mad at them, too, the Dutch, much of the time.  They know better and sometimes I can tell when they are just punking us but can't prove it so just let it slide.  Makes me mad when they do that but I can pick up on it sometimes.  We are not seeing good examples of either Italians or the Dutch.  Except maybe Mos.  I like him.  And deVries.  The rest seem to really suck and are not typical I am sure.

But Frank Rizzio went to Aruba to help very early, Paulus supposedly and he is connected to Posner some how in the mob hierarchy.  Maybe I should not say that?  On my third hard drive already.

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One is an ex-pat, former mayor or something of Philadelphia, (maybe) and the other (maybe a brother) was a detective in Chicago, FOP, who recently died.  But if I recall from the Impeachment Hearings, they were bro's.

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas ... would please change the yellow highlite in my quote to red.

Thanks

Janet

Thanks Klaas.

Now if you give me the option of editing my own posts ....

I promise not to tell the other Monkeys.

Janet

   Actually when I saw it, I changed it from yellow to orange.  Then you requested red and CBB fixed it before I could to red.

I doubt the "edit button" will return.  Too much bad history at SM with the edit button.  I don't mind fixing things 

Klaas ... you had changed the yellow highlight to orange while I was posting my request.  As usual ... you are on top of everything that goes on in the Monkey cage.   

Thanks again.

Janet

[2NJSons_Mom]

Tyler,
I remember what you are talking about Joe T and Rosemary being involved at least in some capacity from that Rizzio or whatever his name was, think he may have died since then?  Or one of the did but that was the time false evidence was being found all over the island like the duct tape, etc.

But you may be right about that being the time they became involved and I think that Rizzio was supposedly hired by Paulus who has no such money.  Always thought it was by Posner but cannot substantiate that.  Anyway, I think it is old mob connections from Posner's olden days.  He is why they were all there so very early.

Just my opinion only.

.

Rizzo...Frank, I think....Philadelphia

Yeah, him.  Real early in all this.

And 2NJ, don't be offended when people pick on Italians!  Think what they have said about the Dutch and I just carry on, LOL.  I get mad at them, too, the Dutch, much of the time.  They know better and sometimes I can tell when they are just punking us but can't prove it so just let it slide.  Makes me mad when they do that but I can pick up on it sometimes.  We are not seeing good examples of either Italians or the Dutch.  Except maybe Mos.  I like him.  And deVries.  The rest seem to really suck and are not typical I am sure.

But Frank Rizzio went to Aruba to help very early, Paulus supposedly and he is connected to Posner some how in the mob hierarchy.  Maybe I should not say that?  On my third hard drive already.

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Next, Rita hosted two City Councilmen from Philadelphia:

Juan Ramos and Frank Rizzo, Jr. Juan Ramos supported the boycott, because they felt sympathy with the family who has lost a daughter. Ramos went over similar losses of daughters around Philadelphia.

Frank Rizzo, Jr., criticized the boycott, because he was familiar with the effort in Aruba. He claimed that the Arubans have gone way beyond their requirement to support the family and this investigation. Interestingly, Rita tried to discredit Frank Rizzo's statement by alleging that he has a vested interest in Aruba. Rizzo had trained some of the Aruban law enforcement officers a few years ago. Also, Rizzo has concern for his constituents, many of whom work for an airline that brings Philadelphia's to Aruba. Rita attempted to enlist Ramos' assistance in her discreditation, but Ramos refused to get involved. Ramos respected his colleague's opinion.

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/11/harrytho_aruban_2.php

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I remember Rizzo early in the case....and I don't think reminding people to think about what they are saying is a bad thing.  I know, first hand, that I have made comments in writing that were meant one way but perceived by others to be something else. 

[Anna]

Rizzo...Frank, I think....Philadelphia

I thought he was from chicago and his name was ernie rizzo??. Was a bit of a legend from chi-town and sometimes appeared on TV as a commentater?? I always thought it was Posner's PI as well. When Posner spoke about it he said he hired Investigators as in more than one. I read up on what I could about this guy as he was old school and had a great rep. He bragged about his ability to look up cell phones numbers and impersonate people.

I don't remember what his first name was but that's the one instead of Frank.  Yes, Chicago Mob, and I think this is when Joe T and Rosemary became involved but just because of the connections.

But you are correct, it is the Chicago one not the one from Philly as I think he is a politician. 

Why is he a legend?

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