Natalee Case Discussion #697 11/29 - 11/30/2007

[mishy]

I pray Natalee's final resting place will be back in Alabama and not some place she's been discarded.  I pray Tim Miller and the folks with the ship and equipment can locate Natalee and her family can  then take her home for a decent memorial and burial.

These are my fervent prayers as well, MuffyBee...

[robots]

at 5:22 CRAPOPINA says "they have some _____________________________"

then he changes GEARS


hmmmmmmmmmmm

[MuffyBee]

Please delete if this has been previously posted:
Locals to assist in Holloway search
Deep water surveyors head to Aruba today
Bob Moser
bmoser@theadvertiser.com
A team of deep water surveyors from Acadiana is on its way to Aruba today to scan the ocean floor for the body of an Alabama girl who went more than missing two years ago.

It's a volunteer effort that will cost more than $1 million and hopefully bring closure to the search for Natalee Holloway.
Louis Schaefer, a Houston resident and former president of Superior Offshore International in Lafayette, has organized the team and is covering much of the costs himself. Marine Surveys of Lafayette, a sister company of the Silvetti Group, is donating its 120-foot research vessel, the Persistence. It should have left late Thursday night from the Port of Iberia with Schaefer and a team of marine geologists and archaeologists.
The Persistence should arrive in Aruba on Thursday or Friday of next week, and is expected to stay there and use sonar to map the sea floor in search for anomalies, which investigators now say could be where Holloway's body was dropped, said Marc Broussard, project manager with Marine Surveys.

"Louis Schaefer approached us with the idea to assist, and after meeting the family we understood someone had to step up," Broussard said. "We are all parents here, we want to help these people. Their biggest wish is to have a funeral for their daughter, and we want to rectify that in their life. As a parent, that's the most important thing, to get some closure."

Schaefer told Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren that investigators now believe Holloway's body may have been placed in a crab trap and dropped in a deep ocean trench off Aruba's coast. The good thing, he said, is the water temperature there would preserve her remains, and there's less ocean life that deep to disturb the body.

The R/V Persistence can map 1,000 feet below the water's surface, and detect items as small as a crab trap.

"We will be there till we reach a happy conclusion, or we've mapped out all the area," Broussard said.

http://www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071130/NEWS01/711300308/1002

[Tylergal]

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/SUSPECTS_NATALEE_HOLLOWAY/crime/63421

INSIDE POLICE INVESTIGATION: THREE SUSPECTS DUMPED NATALEE HOLLOWAY AT SEA

In a shocking development in the Natalee Holloway case, police believe Joran van der Sloot and his two pals were all with the blonde beauty when she died, The ENQUIRER has learned exclusively.

And they are close to identifying the boat they believe took the Alabama teen to her final resting place.

While others speculated on the new evidence that led to the dramatic Thanksgiving busts of 20-year-old Joran and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, The ENQUIRER penetrated the top secret investigation.

We learned exclusively that the three suspects were nailed by a young undercover cop who spent months becoming Joran's buddy in Holland. Incriminating evidence was also gathered by phone taps.

"Police now believe they know where Natalee is - at the bottom of the ocean," an Aruban insider told The ENQUIRER.

Natalie, 18, vanished in May 2005 during a graduation trip to Aruba. She was last seen being driven from a popular bar with Joran, Deepak, 24, and Satish, 21.

Joran told police the brothers dropped them off on the beach - and that after he and Natalee made out, he walked home, leaving Natalee alive and well about a half mile from her hotel.

But the phone taps - and details Joran drunkenly let slip to the undercover cop at school - tell a different story, The ENQUIRER has learned.

Pick up the new issue of ENQUIRER for all the details!


Published on: 11/28/2007

I was going to ask if anyone remembers Jouson?

[memphis]

WARNING: post on the negative side coming ...

Many of you say that there will be a positive outcome because the Dutch, or Mos, will not risk the public outcry that will insue if they let J2K go. However, the MSM does not seem to be aware of the coverup and corruption. We, here on the internet, and the family are very aware of it, of course, but is anyone else? If they let them go and close the case, will the outcry be enough? Can we "cry out" enough to make a difference?

Please, someone make me feel better.  

[SunnyinTX]

I pray Natalee's final resting place will be back in Alabama and not some place she's been discarded.  I pray Tim Miller and the folks with the ship and equipment can locate Natalee and her family can  then take her home for a decent memorial and burial.

hi Muffy...your prayer is echoed by all of us

[the big hammer]

National Enquirer

This publication, widely derided as gossip rag, actually published some details of the case that were accurate, but generally unknown by most prior to publication.  Such as Werner's talk at ISA, and the details of their behavior in the car with DVD's and porn.  They also published the story of the Netherland's reporter (Can I bite you?) that was never refuted.

I find it interesting that young police officer undercover is cited as source of infiltration.  No better way, and nor more reliable method.  Wonder if he was wired for sound?  I'd bet he was.

And that true to form for narcisstic personality with AOD pathologies, joran blabs and boasts during drunken episode.  Instead of writing book and drunken talk, he did not and could not lie low and shut up.

Ha!

I thought he could drink a case of beer before he got drunk.

.

[Magnolia]

Just reported on ABC 33/40 Birmingham.
Has Mos was suppose to hold a news conference at 11:00 this morning
Aruban time to discuss yesterday's rulings.
News Conference was unexpectly cancelled at the last minute.
Unofficial word is that one of the Kalpoes will be released today.
Also that Dave and Beth will be arriving on Aruba later today to
meet with Mos tomorrow.

[robots]

if K2 are released - could be the best news we hear all day


know what i mean ??

[klaasend]

Just reported on ABC 33/40 Birmingham.
Has Mos was suppose to hold a news conference at 11:00 this morning
Aruban time to discuss yesterday's rulings.
News Conference was unexpectly cancelled at the last minute.
Unofficial word is that one of the Kalpoes will be released today.
Also that Dave and Beth will be arriving on Aruba later today to
meet with Mos tomorrow.

Maybe I'll get my PVDS wish?

[MuffyBee]

WARNING: post on the negative side coming ...

Many of you say that there will be a positive outcome because the Dutch, or Mos, will not risk the public outcry that will insue if they let J2K go. However, the MSM does not seem to be aware of the coverup and corruption. We, here on the internet, and the family are very aware of it, of course, but is anyone else? If they let them go and close the case, will the outcry be enough? Can we "cry out" enough to make a difference?

Please, someone make me feel better. 

Memphis ~  Look at what I posted about the deep water search, on this page.  There are people that BELIEVE and are putting their time and considerable resources in an effort to bring Natalee home.  Don't despair...

[robots]

Just reported on ABC 33/40 Birmingham.
Has Mos was suppose to hold a news conference at 11:00 this morning
Aruban time to discuss yesterday's rulings.
News Conference was unexpectly cancelled at the last minute.
Unofficial word is that one of the Kalpoes will be released today.
Also that Dave and Beth will be arriving on Aruba later today to
meet with Mos tomorrow.

Maybe I'll get my PVDS wish?

[MuffyBee]

if K2 are released - could be the best news we hear all day


know what i mean ??

   Could be a good thing...

[Lala'sMom]

Memphis
I don't know if all of us will be enough..I will say this...I have been amazed at what truly dedicated people can and will do for something they believe in.  It only takes a spark..I want to be positive. 

Beth said at her book signing in Birmingham in response to a question about her still believing that this case could be solved...You always have to have hope..without it life would be unbearable. (paraphrasing only) Still, I doubt she thought what has happened in the last few weeks would actually transpire..so yes, I think there is hope...it's that magic word that requires a leap of faith for all those that believe in it.

As someone told me last night...here, hold my hand we will make it through this together. 

[Tylergal]

if K2 are released - could be the best news we hear all day


know what i mean ??

Self-preservation is a natural instinct.  If one is released, he has preserved his future and turned the key on Joran and the other; that should in turn, bring about the arrest following weeks of surveillance of Paulus.  We were told parents do not have to testify against their own, but if they have it all from a young policeman, maybe Jouson, do they need the falsehoods of Anita?  I can never forget her cracking the whip in New York and demanding Joran pick up the phone and listen to her, that Paulus sit like a wuss while the fishwife directed the affairs and never will I forget the feeling of sheer ectasy when Bo awarded Joran with the warrants.     It's all sweeter this time, because it's "gotcha" this time around.  Where is Nadira?  Screaming for someone to throw away the freezer key?

[MuffyBee]

Memphis
I don't know if all of us will be enough..I will say this...I have been amazed at what truly dedicated people can and will do for something they believe in.  It only takes a spark..I want to be positive. 

Beth said at her book signing in Birmingham in response to a question about her still believing that this case could be solved...You always have to have hope..without it life would be unbearable. (paraphrasing only) Still, I doubt she thought what has happened in the last few weeks would actually transpire..so yes, I think there is hope...it's that magic word that requires a leap of faith for all those that believe in it.

As someone told me last night...here, hold my hand we will make it through this together.

Yes.

[Magnolia]

It would be a good thing if Dave and Beth were there to see Sweaty Runny Man arrested.

[Lala'sMom]

if K2 are released - could be the best news we hear all day


know what i mean ??

No, no, no.  How can releasing Satish or Deepak or both  be good?  He was part and parcel to this crap too?  I am missing something again...are you saying he ratted on the other two?

[SunnyinTX]

Here is msmarple's post regarding the Amigo article.

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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #696 11/27 -
« Reply #189 on: November 28, 2007, 05:01:20 AM » 

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http://www.amigoe.com/english/  11/16/2007

This may already have been posted. There is another article in this same issue of Amigoe that I know has been posted - about Renée Gielen's exlusive photos.


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Van der Sloot before the examining magistrate

Joran van der Sloot leaves the airport building of Hato via a side staircase, after a stopover from the Netherlands to Aruba, where he was interrogated during the weekend and was taken before the examining magistrate today.  The reason for the stopover in Curacao was to sidetrack the media in Aruba, which included almost all the American broadcasting stations and several from the Netherlands. {this was a photo caption.}

ORANJESTAD -- Joran van der Sloot (20) was interrogated this past weekend by Dutch and Aruban detectives under the direction of the Aruban chief of police Adolpho ‘Dolphi’ Richardson and one from Rotterdam.   

The examining magistrate heard Van der Sloot, who is suspected of manslaughter or serious body harm that resulted in the death of the American Natalee Holloway, this afternoon about extending the custody with eight days.  “We will definitely continue interrogating him in the next days”, said district attorney Dop Kruimel.  “Keeping him in custody is to get further down into the investigation.  This afternoon after 15:00, we will publish a press release about bringing Van der Sloot before the examining magistrate.”  This was after this paper went to press.   

Van der Sloot’s lawyers’ firm expects the custody to be automatically extended.  Bringing him before the law seems more like a formality, because in the procedure to get him in Aruba, the examining magistrate must have already examined all the documents; ‘kind of too late in the day”, said a representative of the firm.  The lawyers of the suspected brothers Deepak and Satish as well as that of Joran van der Sloot are still saying that they do not expect much of the ‘new evidence’ of the Public Prosecutor (OM): ‘The old information has been examined with new eyes’; ‘they have the same facts, but they have used a different pair of glasses’; and ‘like a shirt with four buttons instead of three’.   

One thing is for sure, the media interest is increasing in Aruba, but not with the same proportions an a few years ago, right after Holloway disappeared in May of 2005.  So now and then you can see camera teams in front of the office of the OM and the house of Van der Sloot’s family.     

Nobody wants to miss a glimpse when more is announced about the new evidence in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway.  There are meanwhile rumours about the arrival of journalist Greta van Susteren of Fox News.  She was in Aruba just recently promoting the book of Natalee’s mother, Beth Twitty, who will probably come to Aruba this week.   International media is trying to get in contact with Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA), but in vain.  They want to know whether the ‘reopening’ of the case has influenced the tourism.   

‘HAVE DRUGGED GIRLS BEFORE’

The suspects in the Holloway-case have supposedly drugged girls before, so they could take advantage of them afterwards, mentions De Telegraaf.   This same morning paper also mentions that ‘justice has given the former investigation leader a hard rap on the fingers’ and he is no longer allowed to say anything about the investigation.  “Police officer Gerard Dompig suggested that infiltrators were put in against Van der Sloot.”

Not just the Netherlands, but the entire world is following this case.  Each possible indication is therefore used to make an issue from.  Former district attorney Helen Lejeuz, who as a lawyer helps Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway, told ABC that the suspects thought that their phones are no longer being tapped.  “It has been a long time and people tend to relax and perhaps talk – say things they have never said before – and prosecutors and policemen have good and well-trained ears.”

CBS News mentions a telephone tap, indicating that one of the brothers have gone back to the beach the night Holloway disappeared.
Where, oh where, did the idea that Beth was on her way to Aruba originate? (Or for that matter, that Dave was - I've also seen that mentioned.) Can't imagine either of them being present at this time.

Here is the CBS report "indicating that one of the brothers have gone back to the beach the night Holloway disappeared" --http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3539137n?source=search_video

To pick up Joran? To get his shoes? Or just more shape shifting?

Thanks so much...you are terrific...how you find things so fast is amazing!!

[robots]

joran and his fat ugly mouth that have been able to weasel out of countless things thru out his life by TELLING LIES has bagged him this time.


he can thank his delicious parents for letting him get away with everything and giving into his daily whining whims probably from the time he was 2 years old

there probably was not an ounce of discipline going on in that house

it appears very obvious from allowing him to drink, rape, gamble, kill animals, throw people off bridges, tell lie after lie, steal money and USE friends when it only was in the benefit of joran

good ridence

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Paulus is arrested