Natalee Case Discussion #697 11/29 - 11/30/2007

[Frank]

did I miss something? What has Joran won?

[SunnyinTX]

Why does the judge have to go back to Curacao and send in his ruling tomorrow on some very simple motion about who represents the k2's?

Why couldnt they do the 8 more day thing today like they said they were going to? 

Why isnt anyone charged yet?

Why is Paulus still roaming the streets?

Why did Joran win yet another challenge to the court? (seems like he wins EVERYTHING that goes in front of these judges from Curaco)

Why is Taco spewing evidence all over the news?


I'm telling you, this thing STINKS!!!!

I agree.  I have been saying this for a couple of days now.

why did they even bring Joran back to Aruba to begin with?  They could interrogate him in the Netherlands or wherethehellever he was juast as easily.  I'm not sure why they brought him to Aruba other than for show?

That actually is evidence this is NOT just a sham. If the Dutch were going to merely sweep this under the rug -- they would have left him in Holland for "questioning." They would simply say a Dutch judge would not approve further detainment.

I don't remember who said it...possibly Vinda....but it was said that the standard was even higher in the Netherlands than in aruba to hold a suspect over.....from that statement I got that whatever was presented to the judge in the Netherlands was incriminating and NEW

[blah]

Why does the judge have to go back to Curacao and send in his ruling tomorrow on some very simple motion about who represents the k2's?

Why couldnt they do the 8 more day thing today like they said they were going to? 

Why isnt anyone charged yet?

Why is Paulus still roaming the streets?

Why did Joran win yet another challenge to the court? (seems like he wins EVERYTHING that goes in front of these judges from Curaco)

Why is Taco spewing evidence all over the news?


I'm telling you, this thing STINKS!!!!

all great WHY!!!  th eonly thing I think i can respond to is....re: the bible...can you imagine what tacoboy would make out of them NOT allowing him a bible..as well as all the GOOD people of aruba ...I think that was a CYA move.....all the other questions just have me scratching my head

Is he limited to a Bible only, or is he allowed the TV, internet access, his special pillow, conjugal visits, everything like last time, etc...

I hope his conjugal visits are with his roommate, whose picture, I am hoping was one of the ones posted here by Rob recently.  I think he could handle a hardy guy like one of them.

 

we can only hope!!

[WhiskeyGirl]

Joran got home at 4:00 and Deepak went back to the beach at 3:00? I don't think this lends itself to Deepak going back to the beach to have sex with Natalee. Sounds to me Deepak went back to join Joran who may have encountered a problem.

Speculation ~

Could Natalee have been left at someone's home?  Not in the car after being dropped off alive?  Coma or dead?

Could someone have gone to the beach to try and get a fish trap?  The gardener saw those waiting on the side of the road?

IIRC, the fishermen info somewhere suggests that they didn't see someone (other fishermen) until about 3:00 a.m. on Monday.  

Could the car have been dirty from carrying a fish trap and other things?

[Maria]

I can't watch any of the news shows that JoeT is on anymore - I just get too sick and annoyed of him.

As for Joran requesting a bible - Yeah right.  Mr. Innocent.  I remember in Dave's book he tried to give PVDS a bible to read.  Please coorect me if I am wrong.  I hope they all go down and soon.  Not just the 3 but the whole corrupt government.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Didn't Dave give Paulus a bible for Joran when he was in jail the last time?  I don't remember exactly if it was books, or the good book.

NYC_Lover posted a link to Joran's myspace (I think it was myspace) and showed last logged on 11/27/07....I think that was yesterday she posted it.

[Canary]

Whatever Mos put in those 12-14 pages to detain Joran for 8 days, it is not ALL he has.  He doesn't have to share this with the defense attorneys until a short time before the trial.  I read a lot today on Dutch law and the right to silence - as far as I can tell the refusal to speak can influence the judge in a negative way...the only caveat is that the prosecution can not base it's whole case on the refusal of the accused to answer questions - there also has to be other substantial evidence.  Who even knows whether Taco even understands this system.

[San]

Why does the judge have to go back to Curacao and send in his ruling tomorrow on some very simple motion about who represents the k2's?

Why couldnt they do the 8 more day thing today like they said they were going to? 

Why isnt anyone charged yet?

Why is Paulus still roaming the streets?

Why did Joran win yet another challenge to the court? (seems like he wins EVERYTHING that goes in front of these judges from Curaco)

Why is Taco spewing evidence all over the news?


I'm telling you, this thing STINKS!!!!

I agree.  I have been saying this for a couple of days now.

why did they even bring Joran back to Aruba to begin with?  They could interrogate him in the Netherlands or wherethehellever he was juast as easily.  I'm not sure why they brought him to Aruba other than for show?

They had to make it look good.  They had to show they had power over the Sloots and Paulus wasn't involved in any way.  So they made him come home for the Holidays.

but they are bringing him home - to his home field!!  Where he has ALL of the judges bought off

Exactly.  This is why they have been leaking the so called complaints by Joran.  He is not complaining at all.

Remember when we first heard that they were bringing Joran back.  What was the first words we heard "Joran was angry" they were disturbing him he really didn't want to come back because he was trying to get his life together and so on and so on and so on.

They had to make it look like it is a power move when in fact it's not.

[blah]

did I miss something? What has Joran won?

he won his motion to ease up on the restrictions while he is in jail.

We dont know if he won the full motion or only parts of it.

[robots]

Why does the judge have to go back to Curacao and send in his ruling tomorrow on some very simple motion about who represents the k2's?

Why couldnt they do the 8 more day thing today like they said they were going to? 

Why isnt anyone charged yet?

Why is Paulus still roaming the streets?

Why did Joran win yet another challenge to the court? (seems like he wins EVERYTHING that goes in front of these judges from Curaco)

Why is Taco spewing evidence all over the news?


I'm telling you, this thing STINKS!!!!

I agree.  I have been saying this for a couple of days now.

why did they even bring Joran back to Aruba to begin with?  They could interrogate him in the Netherlands or wherethehellever he was juast as easily.  I'm not sure why they brought him to Aruba other than for show?

That actually is evidence this is NOT just a sham. If the Dutch were going to merely sweep this under the rug -- they would have left him in Holland for "questioning." They would simply say a Dutch judge would not approve further detainment.

I don't remember who said it...possibly Vinda....but it was said that the standard was even higher in the Netherlands than in aruba to hold a suspect over.....from that statement I got that whatever was presented to the judge in the Netherlands was incriminating and NEW

it is EXPLOSIVE

and JOE T...........probably does know it

THIS is the reason he is seen everywhere blabbing and blubbering like a fool on every channel he gets a whack at

put a sock in it JOE

he doesnt really care about joran

he cares cause he will look stupid
when joran is thrown in jail, just like his last "client"


nice work JOE - keep up the good work 

[San]

did I miss something? What has Joran won?

A free trip to Aruba.  They have to make their tourism numbers go up some how. 

[wreck]

Why does the judge have to go back to Curacao and send in his ruling tomorrow on some very simple motion about who represents the k2's?

Why couldnt they do the 8 more day thing today like they said they were going to? 

Why isnt anyone charged yet?

Why is Paulus still roaming the streets?

Why did Joran win yet another challenge to the court? (seems like he wins EVERYTHING that goes in front of these judges from Curaco)

Why is Taco spewing evidence all over the news?


I'm telling you, this thing STINKS!!!!

I agree.  I have been saying this for a couple of days now.

I'm not so sure.  We were told at the very beginning (when the re-arrests took place) that no information would be released.  I think Mos knows exactly what he needs to do and that his job is to get this to trial, not to appease the media

Yet, information is being released - and to TacoMOUTH of all people. WTF is going on???

It isn't Mos releasing the evidence to Taco -- it's JORAN'S ATTORNIES!!!!

Just like last time!!!!!!!

????? -- I don't get your point.
Joran's attornies are legally able to access about 14 pages of evidence. Joran's Attornies are under a gag order not to release the content of those 14 pages. Joran's attornies have shared those 14 pages with Tacopena (in violation of the gag order.) Tacopena is then taking the leaked info to the press. Blame Joran's attornies -- Not Mos!

why is that so hard to comprehend?

[Port Valerie]

I recall it this way:

Greta asked Taco about the new evidence coming from wiretaps. Taco said there were no wiretaps; the new evidence came from bugs placed in their homes. He did not say which homes. Then Greta asked if the the evidence (from the bugs) came after April of 2007. (I think she was wondering whether the bugs were put in place during the investigation around that time.) That's when Taco went all legalish and said he wasn't allowed to say.

I don't recall any mention of what the bugs revealed, or any mention of Deepak going to the beach. It could have been there.  I just don't recall it.

Taco was the first one on the case, as far as I know, and the only one, to offer up the idea that bugs were used.

Are you all saying that Fox took the bug comment out of their transcripts? That would be nuts.

I do believe you are right, PV.  I do think I remember Jossy said that about the beach and Taco said "their houses," implying there was incriminating evidence against K2 and not against that guy with the Kleinfelter's syndrome.

Yes, he said "their houses." I took the plural "houses" to mean BOTH the Kalpoe house (they live together in one house) and Joran, the third suspect's house. Which house would be considered to be Joran's? That would be the place in the NL where he lives. In my opinion, it could also include the VDS house in Aruba -- and therefore the bugs could have captured conversations by Paulus and Anita. That's how I took Joe Taco's revelation.

[Frank]

Do we even know if it was contested?

He's in jail, and as far as I'm concerned the more ANYBODY is on TV talking about the van der sloots, the better.

Any attention, for us, is better than no attention.

I like Mos, he has the decency to speak of justice for Natalee, and I believe he is going to prosecute.

We've come a long way if Joran getting a bible is considered a victory for him.

[WhiskeyGirl]

I'll continue my speculation...

What if someone got hold of a fish trap?  What if it didn' fit in the trunk and look natural?

What if someone needed to put in the back seat?

Did someone walk home from the 'beach'?  Who?

Who made that phone call with Joran's cell?  Could more than one person have walked home?

Is that why there wasn't any tape showing a lone figure walking home from the beach?  Past the hotels?  Other town business?

Maybe the person walking wasn't Joran?

[blah]

Why does the judge have to go back to Curacao and send in his ruling tomorrow on some very simple motion about who represents the k2's?

Why couldnt they do the 8 more day thing today like they said they were going to? 

Why isnt anyone charged yet?

Why is Paulus still roaming the streets?

Why did Joran win yet another challenge to the court? (seems like he wins EVERYTHING that goes in front of these judges from Curaco)

Why is Taco spewing evidence all over the news?


I'm telling you, this thing STINKS!!!!

I agree.  I have been saying this for a couple of days now.

why did they even bring Joran back to Aruba to begin with?  They could interrogate him in the Netherlands or wherethehellever he was juast as easily.  I'm not sure why they brought him to Aruba other than for show?

They had to make it look good.  They had to show they had power over the Sloots and Paulus wasn't involved in any way.  So they made him come home for the Holidays.

but they are bringing him home - to his home field!!  Where he has ALL of the judges bought off

Exactly.  This is why they have been leaking the so called complaints by Joran.  He is not complaining at all.

Remember when we first heard that they were bringing Joran back.  What was the first words we heard "Joran was angry" they were disturbing him he really didn't want to come back because he was trying to get his life together and so on and so on and so on.

They had to make it look like it is a power move when in fact it's not.

oh isee what your saying - makes sense.

He's probably sitting back with Ben King, pounding a few shots and watching porn, planning their next statement to the press about how tough they are being on poor Joran. 

[robots]

Do we even know if it was contested?

He's in jail, and as far as I'm concerned the more ANYBODY is on TV talking about the van der sloots, the better.

Any attention, for us, is better than no attention.

I like Mos, he has the decency to speak of justice for Natalee, and I believe he is going to prosecute.

We've come a long way if Joran getting a bible is considered a victory for him.

[blah]

Why does the judge have to go back to Curacao and send in his ruling tomorrow on some very simple motion about who represents the k2's?

Why couldnt they do the 8 more day thing today like they said they were going to? 

Why isnt anyone charged yet?

Why is Paulus still roaming the streets?

Why did Joran win yet another challenge to the court? (seems like he wins EVERYTHING that goes in front of these judges from Curaco)

Why is Taco spewing evidence all over the news?


I'm telling you, this thing STINKS!!!!

I agree.  I have been saying this for a couple of days now.

I'm not so sure.  We were told at the very beginning (when the re-arrests took place) that no information would be released.  I think Mos knows exactly what he needs to do and that his job is to get this to trial, not to appease the media

Yet, information is being released - and to TacoMOUTH of all people. WTF is going on???

It isn't Mos releasing the evidence to Taco -- it's JORAN'S ATTORNIES!!!!

Just like last time!!!!!!!

????? -- I don't get your point.
Joran's attornies are legally able to access about 14 pages of evidence. Joran's Attornies are under a gag order not to release the content of those 14 pages. Joran's attornies have shared those 14 pages with Tacopena (in violation of the gag order.) Tacopena is then taking the leaked info to the press. Blame Joran's attornies -- Not Mos!

why is that so hard to comprehend?

where did I ever say anything about Mos?

Why is that so hard to comprehend????

[San]

Why does the judge have to go back to Curacao and send in his ruling tomorrow on some very simple motion about who represents the k2's?

Why couldnt they do the 8 more day thing today like they said they were going to? 

Why isnt anyone charged yet?

Why is Paulus still roaming the streets?

Why did Joran win yet another challenge to the court? (seems like he wins EVERYTHING that goes in front of these judges from Curaco)

Why is Taco spewing evidence all over the news?


I'm telling you, this thing STINKS!!!!

I agree.  I have been saying this for a couple of days now.

why did they even bring Joran back to Aruba to begin with?  They could interrogate him in the Netherlands or wherethehellever he was juast as easily.  I'm not sure why they brought him to Aruba other than for show?

They had to make it look good.  They had to show they had power over the Sloots and Paulus wasn't involved in any way.  So they made him come home for the Holidays.

but they are bringing him home - to his home field!!  Where he has ALL of the judges bought off

Exactly.  This is why they have been leaking the so called complaints by Joran.  He is not complaining at all.

Remember when we first heard that they were bringing Joran back.  What was the first words we heard "Joran was angry" they were disturbing him he really didn't want to come back because he was trying to get his life together and so on and so on and so on.

They had to make it look like it is a power move when in fact it's not.

oh isee what your saying - makes sense.

He's probably sitting back with Ben King, pounding a few shots and watching porn, planning their next statement to the press about how tough they are being on poor Joran. 

Exactly.

[Anna]

Those of you who think this is just a show, whom do you think is behind the show and  for what purpose?