Natalee Case Discussion #697 11/29 - 11/30/2007

[Tylergal]

Beth's loss, Dave's loss, the loss to the world was great when Natalee died.  She was very focused, and had great aspirations to be a doctor, someone who would have "preserved" life instead of taking life away and disposing . . . . . of any remains . . . . trying to erase that person as they never existed -- that's Joran, K2 and moreover Paulus.  It would be my guess that Paulus encouraged the end result here, even if not being the main participant in disposing of Natalee.  That's the difference in someone who has led a nonproductive life, someone whose own accomplishments are so petty, that he has to put out the light of another.  Remember the old saying about hiding the candle under the bushel barrel --- that is what Paulus tried to do, to hide Natalee's light under the bushel barrel.  Failing to do so, Joe Tacopino (another whose life is about destruction instead of construction), picks up the bushel barrel from Paulus and tries to extinguish Natalee's light, Beth's light and the lightness we bring here.  It is their intention to set us apart, to have us argue -- that is what instigators do, that is what evil people do.  Joe has set himself up to strew seeds of doubt and dissention at SM.  Let's not let him put out our light, as he did Natalee's.  Natalee was so young, so frail and they squashed her like a bug --- she was helpless against these ugly evil men.  Don't let Taco do that to SM.  Let's show him we are bigger than that, and that we are joining with Mos and Tim Miller in bringing about justice for Natalee, so that her parents can bring her home to rest.  She has been alone for a long time with God looking out for her, and now it is time she be brought home so her parents can put her to rest where she is loved, rather than despised by agents of Satan on Aruba.

Won't the victory be much sweeter when we see Mos being applauded as the victor and Taco as the goat.  Can we send Joe a big box of salt with which to season his crow, or should we send him sour grapes because we know there are not enough for what he will be going through then, and we can declare victory over evil, nothing to bring Natalee back to life, but a victory so sweet to see Paulus, Taco, Joran, K2, Julia Renfro, Meddling Relay, Shiddalee and all their ilk soaking in bitter oil.

[Frank]

I wrote, if I were Hans Mos, I would ask the Holloways (on behalf of the Dutch) for forgiveness...

[klaasend]

I wrote, if I were Hans Mos, I would ask the Holloways (on behalf of the Dutch) for forgiveness...

Perfect response to Greta's rediculous question.

[Kimmy53]

Lala's, lawyers are like politicians, they rant and rave about anything.  Unfortunately for us, most politicians are lawyers and I think that should be changed in the Constitution that no lawyer can ever be president of the USA.  Anytime you see them carrying on like how good they are and how bad their opponent is, take it with a grain of salt.  Where is Old Fart's salt shaker.  Pour some on Taco's head and hopefully he will be caught in his lies.  He is just trying to draw Mos out, to make Mos divulge something that can be used against Mos and perhaps angling for a mistrial.

The salt would perhaps dry up some of that oil too!!

Seriously, I agree Tyler.  Defense lawyers just think if they throw it out there, people will believe.  Maybe some do, but not us.  Then the lawyers get louder, and their faces turn red and they keep talkin without even taking a breath, You can almost see them popping a vein.  It is their job to cast doubt..  Mos is indeed playing this smart.  Defense lawyers are like - They have nothing - if so prove it and Mos is like -Oh yeah I do - I will in due time...  it is eating them alive. They are like little kids - gimme gimme gimme NOW!  Mos is playing them like a fiddle.  I dare say he is keeping a very close eye on Paulus.  This is slippery slope the perps are on...somebody is gonna slip up.  Pressure is on.

[MuffyBee]

I wrote, if I were Hans Mos, I would ask the Holloways (on behalf of the Dutch) for forgiveness...

Perfect response to Greta's rediculous question.

   Good answer.

[MumInOhio]

Klaas line 123 Grande spreadsheet rafael solognier..car search

Sorry gotta run

Steve Croes uncles car right?

Klaas….Sorry I had to leave yesterday. All I can find on Rufo/Rafael, without going back in the archives. Grande may know if it’s the same person. It is the only car searched that I could find, looking quickly, other than Deepak’s that the Dr Phil lawyer’s request documents on and always wondered why. There has to be a reason Dr Phil’s lawyer’s want those docs. And the only other vehicles I remember any thing on are the van der Sloots and Guido’s ATV. Put *******’s post in there to remind us that we don’t know for sure that it is the same person.
 

Rufo Solognier - retired Aruban "police" officer, uncle to Steve Croes

Good question..I know Steve Croes uncle is Rufo Solognier..Same person?…….from *******…lcd…sorry didn’t bring the date June or July 2007

                           

Steve’s uncle lives next door and recall pictures of a truck. IIRC he picked him up from jail in a car and there may have been a video of this. After thinking about this, you only have to look at recent photos of Steve to know he is more involved than the HI lie. He is going downhill fast and by the looks of it finding it really hard to live with himself.
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Found this if anyone wants to file away for reference
The concrete work was done by Eloi Fransisco Ruiz IMO, again based on the witness list…..per grande…notice he says IMO

Sorry for being so far behind!

[Tamikosmom]

Good morning Monkeys, a little tidbit from Fox and Friends this morning. They had Kimberly Guilfoyle on and she said she will be having something from Aruba during her show this weekend.  She has some exclusive news is what she said..... ????   Wonder what that is....

Maybe Kimberly Guilfoyle will reveal her sources .....

Janet

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Kimberly Guilfoyle
THE LINEUP
June 9, 2006

Kimberly Guilfoyle: What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino.

[Tylergal]

Kimmy, I think you and I are on the same thought wave, keeping Paulus out there to fall on his own petard, that's what Mos is doing.  He knows Paulus is going to slip up somewhere and he wants to be there to watch.  It's a great game Mos is playing.  I would like to see him in a chess match against our Sporter boy.  No doubt Sporter boy would be crying for a Bible.  Sporter Boy wants mommy to send him love notes in the Bible.  He wants to watch Fox so he can hear big bad Joe go after anyone who is for justice.  He wants to instruct Joe on how to run Greta's program.  He wants to go to Refugees and solicit contributions to his love fund.  He wants to come to SM so he can see what is going on and what everyone knows or does not know.  I hope he gets a Bible and I hope it haunts him in the dark of night, before and after Bubba comes looking for him for their late night rendezvous.  I hope he finds in himself to admit that his parents are neither omnipotent, invincible, or omnipresent.  I hope he will know in the end, that Mos is omipresent and omniscient when it comes to keeping up with the vdS family.

[SunnyinTX]

Good Morning to all......i haven't read back so if anyone can answer this question...I won't have to go back

was there anyone who tapped the original Greta show where there was discussion about tacoboy saying one of the k2's returned to the beach..did it ever get cleared that he did say it...or he didn't....thanks

[Tamikosmom]

I wrote, if I were Hans Mos, I would ask the Holloways (on behalf of the Dutch) for forgiveness...

Perfect!  Thank you Frank.

Janet

[Observer]

24ora.com


(Papi Translation)
advocate of kalpoe owing to entama caso contra om friday, 30 november 2007

diahuebs did take lugar one caso hudicial, cu more bien owing to being entama for bufete of david kock & wix, p’e mature cu ministerio publico, after of practicamente 2 year y half, they not can defende one of the rumannan kalpoe. ministerio publico for of week happen end owing to give of conoce, cu defence of rumannan kalpoe not can wordo atendi for one sun advocate y that is why yesterday owing to apela the decision here of ministerio publico. one huez of corsow owing to come for deal the caso here, cu at opinion of advocate mr. david kock, they have to keep kico will become the decision, but the is convenci cu they was much good in corte, argumentando the motibonan pakico they have to follow defende satish y deepak kalpoe. already for today morning huez owing to stay of give his veredicto in the caso of apelacion here. not have one hour fiho stipula for achieve know kico t’e decision of huez, but the have to is first cu the another caso cu advocate mr.david kock owing to entama contra of ministerio publico, relaciona cu detencion of the rumannan kalpoe. thing cu advocate mr. david kock not can end of compronde, t’e urgencia cu ministerio publico had for detene the personanan here. because for of day cu they're deteni, the cantidad of hour cu the team investigativo owing to atende cu they was very limita y not have nothing, but nothing new. relaciona cu the reclamo cu apparently joran van der sloot have, cu the do not achieve oportunidad neither for lucht, look at television etc, advocate mr. david kock owing to tell cu all cos is depende where they're close. at wardanan of police, none detenido not owing to achieve oportunidad of go lucht, corda for look at television or go play ball. come across

[Altruist]

There are more scumbag defense attorneys than decent in the world & that goes double for our country of the USA.  The vast majority are the bottom feeders all to make a living, one half step above the guilty scum they represent.  Their job title entitles them to DO or SAY ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY LIE by MISINTERPRETATION OF THE FACTS.  IMO, only 5 % are decent by normal standards & represent those that they truly believe to be innocent.

Hans Mos appears to be an honorable intelligent Prosecutor, their stats IMO are just the opposite of defense attorneys.  Me thinks he is a great poker player.  If the Kalpoes have any intellect in their family at all they will come clean with ALL THEY KNOW, EVERY DIRTY LITTLE DETAIL.  If they don't it is due to their believing that poor excuse of a human being PVDS.  By Hans Mos actions he has clearly indicated to the Kalpoes that he gives them the benefit of the doubt that they are indeed covering for the 2 Slootscum's.

From the beginning this legal system gives the impression to hold empathy for accidents if the TRUTH is submitted to the system.  This time period is being given to the suspects to come clean, if they DON'T then I think the system will be HARSH.

From my memory I believe that 60 days additional holding a suspect is just prior to TRIAL, which we now know JVDS has received.  The Kalpoes have received one of the 8 day extensions, will have another & then they will be heading with JVDS to TRIAL.

Looks like there will be either a February or March 2009 trial of the initial 3 suspects.  Hans Mos is giving every opportunity to the Kalpoes to COME CLEAN before they become CHARGED as every indication is alerting to JVDS.  In my mind he will be charged within the 60 day period that was just handed down to him.

Would find it fitting for Hans Mos to explain in detail that it is very important for Dave & Beth Holloway & their respective family's to follow his direction as to public statements in the future before the Judiciary goes into full steam, in addition to expressing his opinions.  I do hope that Dave & Beth present all they have to him in writing & listen very carefully,  hopefully their representatives have directed them so.  It will be hard, especially due to how they have been treated over the last 2 1/2 years by the corrupt.

Praying for the peace that they all so deserve, especially Natalee.

[SunnyinTX]

Kimmy, I think you and I are on the same thought wave, keeping Paulus out there to fall on his own petard, that's what Mos is doing.  He knows Paulus is going to slip up somewhere and he wants to be there to watch.  It's a great game Mos is playing.  I would like to see him in a chess match against our Sporter boy.  No doubt Sporter boy would be crying for a Bible.  Sporter Boy wants mommy to send him love notes in the Bible.  He wants to watch Fox so he can hear big bad Joe go after anyone who is for justice.  He wants to instruct Joe on how to run Greta's program.  He wants to go to Refugees and solicit contributions to his love fund.  He wants to come to SM so he can see what is going on and what everyone knows or does not know.  I hope he gets a Bible and I hope it haunts him in the dark of night, before and after Bubba comes looking for him for their late night rendezvous.  I hope he finds in himself to admit that his parents are neither omnipotent, invincible, or omnipresent.  I hope he will know in the end, that Mos is omipresent and omniscient when it comes to keeping up with the vdS family.

Tyler you are on a roll this morning...love reading all your posts...I am remaining optimistic that Mos has what he says he has.....and I hope to God Tim et al find Natalee and bring her home

[snoopy]

I wrote, if I were Hans Mos, I would ask the Holloway's (on behalf of the Dutch) for forgiveness...

Exactly!!


IMHO I believe that J2K went to Paulus with Natalee either severely injured or deceased, and that if Natalee wasn't deceased already he allowed her to die by neglect.  He made a choice the same as J2K did.  He is just as guilty of Natalee's demise.

[klaasend]

******* - I think all that 24ora article is really saying is that the decision will come down today and all the PRESS waiting to report on it.

[SunnyinTX]

I wrote, if I were Hans Mos, I would ask the Holloway's (on behalf of the Dutch) for forgiveness...

Exactly!!


IMHO I believe that J2K went to Paulus with Natalee either severely injured or deceased, and that if Natalee wasn't deceased already he allowed her to die by neglect.  He made a choice the same as J2K did.  He is just as guilty of Natalee's demise.

Hi Snoopy!!!  I agree

[Frank]

The cowardice of men in Aruba is staggering. How is it possible that Nelson Oduber is not interested in meeting with the Holloways?

I'll tell you why, the same reason the yenta Janssen didn't. They can't look them in the eyes because of their guilt.

Cowards of epic proportions.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Morning to all......i haven't read back so if anyone can answer this question...I won't have to go back

was there anyone who tapped the original Greta show where there was discussion about tacoboy saying one of the k2's returned to the beach..did it ever get cleared that he did say it...or he didn't....thanks

Sunny ... the following is a video of the interview with Joe Tacopina where he implies that Deepak returned to the beach has been edited.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmDqS0dOkc


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The following is the transcript of the interview with Joe Tacopina but ... the segment pertaining to Deepak returning to the beach has been edited.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313765,00.html
Joran van der Sloot's Attorney Goes 'On the Record'
Thursday, November 29, 2007

[Lala'sMom]

Okay, I will stop my negative thoughts...right here...too much enthusiasm with you guys to keep this up...you all know that I want this turn out good for this family.  They not only deserve this...it's now become their right to have justice from all the lying and ugly, hateful, vile words that they have endured.

The Dutch should apologize...they screwed this whole thing up royally and being the wonderful souls that Dave and Beth are...they would find it in their hearts to forgive. Me?  I am not so forgiving...

[SunnyinTX]

Good Morning to all......i haven't read back so if anyone can answer this question...I won't have to go back

was there anyone who tapped the original Greta show where there was discussion about tacoboy saying one of the k2's returned to the beach..did it ever get cleared that he did say it...or he didn't....thanks

Sunny ... the following is a video of the interview with Joe Tacopina where he implies that Deepak returned to the beach has been edited.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmDqS0dOkc


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The following is the transcript of the interview with Joe Tacopina but ... the segment pertaining to Deepak returning to the beach has been edited.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313765,00.html
Joran van der Sloot's Attorney Goes 'On the Record'
Thursday, November 29, 2007

thanks...so it has been determned that it was indeed edited out??